/lit/ - Literature

>some work that's not obscure but that not enough people are reading.

HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER

I can't fucking believe how many English majors there are at my college who have never read Homer. It's a travesty. It's as ludicrous as being a Philosophy major who's never read a single Platonic dialogue.

You're such a phony

THE SEA WOLF

BY JACK FUCKING LONDON

FAGS

Love this, very interesting yet simple. I like the intuitive thought process, which is entirely assumed and part of the theory.

>>465966
SOLD.

>>465961

wat

>>465956

those dialogues are so illogical and one sided they would have never made it into a peer reviewed philosophy journal.

Worth reading because of historic significance, but in themselves they are pretty shitty. I imagine homer is similar, but I've never read him.

Raymond Carver will write a short story about this thread.

Yeats dedicates this post to Maud Gonne.

>>465975

Yeah they wouldn't have made it into a peer reviewed philosophical journal. Philosophy was very very different in ancient Greece. My point was that virtually every philosopher after him was influenced by him, either directly or indirectly, and every philosophy major I've ever met has at least read the Apologia.

And Homer isn't like that at all. For one thing he wasn't a philosopher.

George Gissing is just trying to get something to eat.

OP does not understand the economics of attention.

THe wider something is known, the more likely will there be communication about it.

THe attempt is honorable, but futile.

Read One Hundred Years Of Solitude already. It's so fucking good.

OP here can you guys please like . . . describe the books and why we should read them?

100-post threads where every post is just a picture of a book-cover with a few words are the cancer killing /lit/.

>>465975
>>465984
P.S. Bitches don't understand the significance of my Platonic Idealism.

I've never seen a discussion of To Reign In Hell, but I enjoyed it. Although, it was kind of silly at parts, the character interaction was wonderful.

The main problem /lit/ has is if you make a thread about a more obscure book, the discussion is not going to be very strong, so it is going to get bulldozed by all the 1984 threads. That, and the general user of 4chan, and thusly /lit, isn't exactly the well-read, sophisticated Gentleman; sure, most will have read basic shit, like 1984, Lovecraft, A Catcher in the Rye etc, but this board was made, and it was populated by all the different people from the other boards (read:idiots). It'd have been tons better off if Moot created it before 4chan became so densely populated with mouth breathers, that way we could have had our own community.

hey, I like the pic.

>>465995

I knew about it :\

>>465994

Then why the hell did you start this thread? Seriously did you expect anything else? People are lazy on 4chan and most are content to baldly state their opinion with no attempt at a coherent defense. If you didn't know this you need to lurk moar.

>>465998

Daww thanks <3

>>465994

One Hundred Years of Solitude, by Gabriel Garcia Marquez.

Tells the story of the fictional Buendia family (and by extension the town that grows around them); it tracks their successes and failures, their high-points and lows over the generations. It's magical realism, which means crazy shit happens from time to time, and it's absolutely beautifully written.

Quite possibly my favourite book of all time

>>465994

One Hundred Years of Solitude, by Gabriel Garcia Marquez.

Tells the story of the fictional Buendia family (and by extension the town that grows around them); it tracks their successes and failures, their high-points and lows over the generations. It's magical realism, which means crazy shit happens from time to time, and it's absolutely beautifully written.

Quite possibly my favourite book of all time

>>465994
Raymond Carver is the American master of the Short Story, contested only, perhaps, by Hemingway. He wrote strange, dissonant little stories about average American people, usually failed lovers, unlucky businessmen, guilty fathers. When you read them, you put them down without a reaction; but suddenly, when you start to think about the story a little more, he will have you writhing with tears. His stories are beautiful for the way in which they're distant from us, and yet so close to the true working-middle-class American experience.

I think Gary Amdahl is a very serious-minded and promising literary author. He's dedicated to his craft and talks about it and through it in an exciting way. He only has novellas and short stories published so far but they're good. Check google for some of the interviews he has up online and tell me you aren't interested and seeing what this guy has to offer.

>He included the phrase from all walks of life, and that was, he saw then but only understood later, the last straw for her. They remained married for several more years, divorcing only after the riots in International Falls that are the climactic event and nominal subject of this adventure, but when Leah saw that her usband was just going to keep talking that day, when she suspected the humble contrition was little more than an act he'd committed himself to, like a Method actor (that is to say, with overwhelming psychological resources and emotional commitment to the point of delusion, but only to a character at a crucial but almost indistinguishable remove from the self), she found her respect for her husband weakening dramatically. And there is nothing more fleeting than love, of course, so that was gone too.

>>466008

Thanks bro this actually sounds right up my alley. I had to read some magical realism in High School (I forget the title, it was by a Latin/South American and there was a priest and a girl either got raeped by him or married him or something like that at the end) and I really enjoyed it.

How about Rasa and Indian Aesthetics?

"The Descent of Power: Possession, Mysticism, and Initiation in the Theology of Abhinavagupta" is one of the most poignant and fascinating articles I've ever read

>>466016
Yeats was the original emo kid. Except he did it right. His poetry is full of baw, but it's the right kind, the kind that we want from great poetry. His use of mysticism and experimentation with dreams created in his poetry, a surrealistic but still shockingly familiar landscape full of heartache and sorrow, but none of which ever betrays classical forms and conventions that are necessary to poetic construction. Best poet that wrote in the 20th century.

>>466018

He reads like someone who will be a really really good writer in like 5-10 years.

I'll definitely check him out.

>>466035
>[...]unnamed atheist and former porn star with a trouble childhood is driving under the influence of alcohol and drugs.

Cool story Chuck.

>>466018
oh, hi there, Gary Amdahl!

Do you know Tao?

>>466029
Finally, Gissing is the Great Victorian author no one remembers. As giants like Dickens and Hardy began to take the stage as the greatest Victorians, and writers like the Brontes and Austin gained fame for being women authors, Gissing's quiet little Masterwork, New Grub Street, fell by the wayside. It's the tale of your average slovenly struggling writer, living in London in the late 19th Century. It's a tale of a man, Reardon, struggling to reconcile his life, his dreams, and his love. It's probably something that a lot of you aspiring writers here on /lit/ can relate to.

>>466045
What like the spiritual concept or is this an author?

The Night Land.

A really cool epic, it throws out some unique sci-fi/horror scenarios. Only problem is the authors terrible disrespect of women, but if you ignore that it is absolutely incredible

>>466052
This looks interesting, added to the list.

I'm surprised OP, this thread is turning out much better than expected.

Bartleby's The Scrivener is a pretty disturbing little short story, well worth reading.

Many argue that it's proto-absurdism; I'd back them up on that, I think the whole point of the book is Bartleby's inscrutability. The whole thing is supposed to be a big "wat". I mean there are other themes too (the callousness of Wall St. etc. etc.) but I think that was the main one.

Come on /lit/erati, one of you must have read this.

>>466058
aye lad, 'tis the best 1800's-era work I've ever read to this day,lovecraft gave it a thumbs-up.

however, common advice is to skip the first chapter. However, I thought it was okay and helped add to the drama of the story.Your choice

>>466088
Nitpick: Hodgson wrote in the nineteen hundreds

English Passengers by Matthew Kneale

Just a good book, I wouldn't call it obscure.

It's mostly about some Manx smugglers who are forced to carry an English Vicar and his buddies to an expedition to NZ to find the Garden of Eden. I know that plot sounds gay and convoluted but believe me it is a *damn* good book. There are a lot of sub-plots too which would take too long to explain, one of the more interesting ones is a small failed Aboriginal rebellion. All of the sub-plots end up tying together very well by the end, promise.

He uses that style of writing where it's pretending to be a collection of documents - the Captain's journal, letters people send each other, etc. He does this very very well. The characters write nothing like each other and are believable.

I laughed, I cried. Well I didn't cry because I'm not a faggot. But still. Damn good book.

Has anyone else read Life of Pi? What did you think of it if you did?

>>466116
I thought it was pretty good. Not a huge fan, but it was OK.

unrelated:
James Frey is actually a pretty good writer. Just started reading Bright Shiny Morning, so far really enjoying it.

>>466100
ohshi-

you know what I meannn

The Immoralist. Menalcas fucking rocks.

We need some Harry Crews up in this motherfucker! Seriously, he's got to be among the most under-appreciated living writers. His stuff is mind bendingly excellent, and yet less than half his books are in print.

Start, as I did, with A Feast of Snakes. It will haunt your dreams.

Anything by Simone Weil.

This books takes place over a few millennium showing how man expands into the galaxy and finding that they are not alone.

You know what I like?

Historical murder mysteries.

The Black Swan is the single greatest non-fiction book of this century.

I read Websters New School and Office Dictionary printed 1943; What is horrifying is I find it more interesting than all the books I read in all of school combined.

>>466368
heh, I always wondered about those. Seem to be millions of them

the prizewinner: Aristotle and Plato solving crimes in ancient greece. Pwned

>>465954
A Dance with Dragons

Madeline is sleeping

GASTON!

Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close is good.


>>465954
lulz I read 1984 in middle school

Warriors of Shadows: Path of Darkness, by Steven Shadows.

A Prayer for Owen Meany? Anyone read it?

Well do so. Tis truly epic.

The Shadow of the Wind by Carlos Ruiz Zafon is rather good.

personally i don't think this lady's the slightest bit obscure, but most def one of my favourite writers...

in a nutshell...modern day passion play, a most disturbing and uncomfortable read....but genuinely beautiful in it's gruesomeness... one of those books that shocks you into feeling alive

>>466710
Also, it's a pretty recent novel, so not terribly challenging. Great for the analytical reader.

"GOD HAS TAKEN YOUR MOTHER. MY HANDS WERE THE INSTRUMENT. GOD HAS TAKEN MY HANDS. I AM GOD'S INSTRUMENT."

>>466046

>implying Bronte and Jane "Austin" were Victorian

http;//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Victoria

George Saunders.

Funny shorts, frequently about weird events in almost-possible near-future settings.

A bit formulaic perhaps, but that won't spoil the fun of the first few stories.

>>466018

hmm, in one if his interviews he says that "In 20 years I would like to be in Stockholm making an important speech."

Now, i'm all for ambition and dreams and all, but publicly talking about receiving the nobel prize when your entire body of work are a few shorts and novellas seems a bit assholish.

"Cry, the Beloved Country"

>>466787
Hey. Dream big, it's honest.

houllebecq? anybody? I enjoyed all of the books that I read by him so far (The Elementary Particle, Whatever, Plataform,...) What do you think? Give him a try

>>466959
I've seen him come up a few times. He's on the list.

>>466964
Read first Whatever, the The elementary particles and finally Plataform.... all the books are related and there's a progression in his ideas..

Magnus the Magnificent, by Leslie Turner White. It's historical fiction; swashbuckling, romance, piracy. Imagine Pirates of the Caribbean, sans the magic, and on the other side of the Atlantic.

The works of Stephen Baxter, most especially the Xeelee Sequence (and the side novels, the Destiny's Children series) are required reading for anybody who loves hard science fiction and epic stories.

Sheri S. Tepper is the best author that nobody reads.
Grab The Family Tree, Beauty, and Six Moon Dance. Read them in that order. Have your mind BLOWN!!!!!!111ONEONEELEVENCAPSLOCKLOL

you rang?

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1984 is pretty good. I really liked that bit where he got into a sword fight with Big Brother.

Who turns out to be his father.

>>467105
you forgot the part where winston gets his arm cut off and gets it replaced with a robotic one

Pic related, amazing Sci-Fi, and the inspiration for almost anything cyberpunk.

>>465992
Also this. In the original Spanish if you can.

More people should read "Eugene Onegin" by Pushkin (Nabokov translation or not). Not read much hear in the states.

>>467214

Why would anyone want to read poetry in translation?

>>467193

Don't bother.

"I was in Hong Kong. She was a mercenary with cybernetic reflexes. She killed ten men with katanas and sub-machine guns. We stole precious data and our minds expanded. The future is now, we swim in ourselves."

There. You just read every William Gibson book.

>>467237

lol

>>467193
God yes. Also read the short story "burning chrome" first to get an idea of gibsons style. The quote at the end is one of my all time favourites.

>>467219

Because I don't want to work on my German and Russian at once.

>>467237
It should be read though. Its hard to understand its importance if you only just read it now, surrounded by thousands of similar science fiction, but back when it was released, it was something completely different and new.

>>467254

Pussy.

Another good yet highly underrated sci-fi "novel" (it's only ~145 pages)

John Fante - Ask The Dust

Not obscure or anything, but every faggot knows of Bukowski and doesn't know about Fante whom is far superior.

>>467323
Maybe I'll buy a copy the next time I have a couple hundred dollars lying around

>>467373

Are you looking at the old out of print edition(s)? The one pictured is fairly recent.

Shikasta

Too hard to summarize. It's the history of the world as told by alien things. Look it up.

>>466787

He was probably joking.

But really I've been reading more of his shit and I don't understand what's so great about him.

Just my opinion.

>>467373
Amazon.co.uk has it for cheap. Get the SF masterworks edition in the pic

I must scream and I have no mouth

Larry Brown is really good. I highly suggest him for people who like William Faulkner or Cormac McCarthy. It sucks that he's dead now.

Read Joe then its pseudo-sequel Fay. Both are phenomenal.

Robert Walser here, your choices are for fags.

I'm very fond of the essay: "Why You Suck" by orton nenslo.

>>467462

That anything like I Have no Mouth, and I Must Scream?

>>466931
Fuck, yes, I love this book some much.

MYTHAGO FUCKING WOOD

I finished this book a few months ago and I'm surprised not many people talk about it here...the books name is Sum by David Eagleman. It describes different afterlives that we could be placed in when we die...not an amazing piece of literature, but it gets you thinking about shit.

>>467644

I was sad when I heard he died.

He deserved more readers.

>>467635
Yes! I hoped someone else would love it too.

Dwarves
Dresden Files
Screwtape Letters
2001 A Space Odyssey
Dune

this is a relatively recent list. Screwtape letters and Dune are both really important, well written and not widely read enough in my opinion.

>>467768
THIS
THIS
THIS
THIS
ALWAYS

>>467845
>2001 A Space Odyssey
The movie is 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times better

i was rereading some of the latter part of it this morning - couldn't help but think that if more people read some of the stuff eco wrote about conspiracy theories and theorists the world would be a better place.

>>466088
http://www.thenightland.co.uk/nightmap.html

he wrote it while masturbating

>>465954
>Implying we shouldn't talk about these books when they are the most relevant to our current society.


Needs moar Brave New World and Nietzsche.

You know who I never see mentioned on here? J. G. Ballard.

This is an awesome book.

>>468671

Have you read Rorty's paper on FP? I'd recommend it.

pic related; fucking read it

haf u herd of harry poter or twilight

'The Way we Live Now' by Anthony Trollope. not only is it a great read, but it gains renewed relevance every time we have an economic implosion.

>>465996

also, this is a fairly new board last time i checked. it will take a while for it to get a solid userbase, and then they can be ruthless hypercritical cunts like every other board whenever someone brings up something tired and shitty.

>>469143

I like Tim O'Brien, but that's got to be my LEAST favorite of his books. I always recommend Nuclear Age to people.

>>469199

read it for junior year of high school myself. there have been better Vietnam books though.

my apples are better than your oranges

I'm actually kind of shocked at the lack of people talking about Kerouac. The only people I've seen are usually asking if they should read On The Road, and I'm pretty sure most of those posts were from trolls. Maggie Cassidy easily trumps Catcher In The Rye as bildungsroman in my eyes, and Dr. Sax is a really exciting and bewildering work full of linguistic play and tauntingly vague symbols.

>>469216

Big Sur and The Dharma Bums were pretty good. I also used to really like some of his blues poetry. But Desolation Angels and Dr. Sax I found really disappointing.

>>469215
There ARE better Vietnam novels out there, and O'Brien has written a couple of them. Going After Cacciato is a superior work of literature.

>>469226

>Vietnam novels

Has anyone else here read They Whisper?

>>465954

So you want /lit/ to act like a bunch of hipsters trying to impress each other instead of just being bros?

Why ruin another board with hipster logic?

>>469237
/lit/ really wants to be /mu/...

>>469226

Small Unit Action isn't a novel. Its an account of a number of engagements (and non-engagements) over the summer of 66. its pretty cool. West did the interviews and such for his chapter "Howard's Hill" about a day after the battle occurred, and Jimmie E Howard was later awarded a Congressional Medal of Honor for his actions there. For most of the other chapters, West was embedded as a rifleman.

>some work that's not obscure but that not enough people are reading.

This.

>>469263
Shock Doctrine is much much better in my opinion. Klein is still too conciliatory in No Logo, but in Shock Doctrine she finally admits her leanings and blames capitalism rather than you know concrete examples of greed which are can ultimately be remedied etc. as she does in No Logo.

This and the other two Barry Hughart novels "Eight Skilled Gentlemen" and "The Story of the Stone". Very clever stories all.

The Denial of Death by Ernest Becker. This book will fuck you up and maybe change your life. Essentially: get over the fucking fact that you will one day die. Your body will stop working. You will be eaten by worms. You will end. This is a simple enough realization, but Becker actually dives into this idea and forces you to confront it. Nonfiction. Essential nonfiction.

Diary of a Rapist by Evan S. Connell. The story of a dangerous narcissist who is not entirely unlike almost everyone else you meet. Underrated book by an underrated author.

The Tenant by Roland Topor. Made into the excellent Roman Polanski movie of the same name. This book is for outsiders only. Nothing "cool" like Holden Caulfield in Catcher in the Rye - this is the story of the outsider as someone outside of society, unable to enter. Funny and horrifying.

Zop Wallop by William Browning Spencer. Epic tier modern fantasy. A quick read - an afternoon's worth - but something striking and original.

Red Earth and Pouring Rain. This is the story of a poet who has been reincarnated into the body of a monkey and must make a deal with Yama (the god of death) to save his soul. The deal is he has to entertain an audience with tales of his exploits and if anyone in the audience gets bored, the deal is off. It's basically a collection of short stories from victorian era india as well as a few that take place in modern day america. It keeps you on your toes as it switches from one setting to the next, and the stories were really entertaining. Highly recommended especially if you're interested in the history and mythology of india.

>>469263

Excellent book.

Anyone else really enjoy Victor Hugo? He might not be as exciting as Dumas, but I find him more meaningful.

>>469356
I've only read Les Miserables. I really loved it even if it was absurdly long. All the serial writers got paid by the word, and it shows.

Has anyone read Hunchback of Notre Dame?

Water Music. This is a fictional account of the mapping of the nile river during the 18th century. This book has some great descriptive passages and really makes you feel like you are in dirty, fucked to hell Africa. Honestly after reading this book I NEVER want to go to Africa, ever. This is a pretty fast paced book and the 400 + pages fly by as it is pretty much filled to the brim with action. The characters go from one disaster to the next in their seemingly hopeless quest, dealing with hostile tribes, tropical diseases, and fucking alligators among other things.

I approve of this thread for mentioning both Evan S. Connell and Sarah Kane, two authors who otherwise have no business being in the same sentence.

Books I've never seen anyone else on /lit/ discuss:

George W.S. Trow, Within the Context of No Context. Weird, funny, brilliant, mannered, erudite, ruthless, bleak analysis of where television was taking us, written in 1980. Useful then as prophecy; useful now mostly for all the shocks of recognition. Favorite sentence: "In addition to being the worst person in the world, Geraldo is the *nicest*."

Paul Cain, Fast One. Unbelievably kinetic hard-boiled crime fiction. I've never read another novel anything like it.

Marilynne Robinson, Housekeeping. A profoundly strange work, and one of the best novels in English of the last 30 years.

Magnus Mills, The Restraint of Beasts. It seems at first to be a spare novel about working-class Englishmen, sort of in the manner of James Kelman. And then, gradually, it turns into something out of Kafka. It's pretty hilarious, for a nightmare.

John Hawkes, The Lime Twig. Stark, spare, haunting novel about English criminals who rig a horse-race, which I discovered because William Gass discuss it in On Being Blue. The descriptions of violence in this book are incredibly disturbing, especially considering how understated they are.

Muriel Spark, The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie. You hear that this is a popular novel about a beloved, unconventional teacher at a Scottish girls' school, and already you think you know what this book is like. No, sir or madam, no you do not. It is a ferocious, pitiless book about terrible people that's also wickedly funny. (There's something in this that's so horrible that I think finding it funny is a moral failing, which I'll admit to.)

Parfume
It is about crazy lunatic, who kills nice and fresh girls to create an ultimate parfume. Film based on this book was made, it was pretty good.

Some of these books are not obscure, but I don't see /lit/ talking about them much, so I'm listing them anyway.

Possession by A.S. Byatt
Bel Canto by Ann Patchett
almost anything by Margaret Atwood
The Phantom Tollbooth by Norton Juster
The Rise of Theodore Roosevelt and Theodore Rex by Edmund Morris (these are biographies)
The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Nighttime by Mark Haddon
One Hundred Years of Solitude and Love in the Time of Cholera by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
East of Eden by John Steinbeck
26a by Diana Evans
My Antonia by Willa Cather
Winter Count by Barry Lopez
The Poisonwood Bible by Barbara Kingsolver

Since I listed so many, I didn't give a summary, but let me know if you want one for a certain book.

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>>469998

>My Antonia by Willa Cather

I just yakket on my jacket

>>470013
Haha, you really hate it that much? I realize it's not to everyone's taste, but it seems like a really...calm book (potentially boring, to some) to inspire much active dislike. To each his own, I suppose.

Searched thread for John Barth, David Markson, William Gaddis, found nothing..

Hunger - Knut Hamsen
We - Yevgeny Zamyatin
The Unconsoled - Kazuo Ishiguro
The Temple of the Golden Pavilion - Mishima Yukio
Sidhartha - Herman Hesse
The Castle - Franz Kafka
The Fall - Albert Camus
Candide - Voltaire
The Unbearable Lightness of Being - Milan Kundera
The Sorrows of Young Werther - JW Goethe
Notes from the Underground - Fyodor Dostoevsky

These are all very well known and revered works but maybe fit a little more into the 'neglected' category you're trying to make.

Midnight's Children for the post war win.

ITT: We list books we couldn't convince anyone else to read

Does anyone know if Padgett Powell is worth reading?? Yes I am the same person who made a thread about him a few days or whatever ago

What I read recently and liked:

The Curse of Chalion, Bujold
Sundiver (and the rest of the trilogy), Brin
Dirk Gently, Adams
Neanderthal Parallax, Saywer
Thraxas, Millar

http://www2.cincinnatilibrary.org/blog/entries/the-cockroaches-of-stay-more

Fucking love this.

>>466088
>>466052

Holy shit, people have actually read this. I'm impressed.

>>470129
Is it really that impressive...?

Issac Asimov, bitches.

>>470141

In terms of relative obscurity coupled with rather painfully florid prose, yes.

>>470141

In terms of relative obscurity coupled with rather painfully florid prose, yes.

>>470215
see also House on the Borderland.

More of the same, with the added bonus of unnecessary commas. good read.

>>470260

Heh. Agreed. I am...excessively familiar with that particular work.

more people need to read this book

>>470292
I read it. It's freaking awesome.
Internet high five.

>>470301
fuck yeah, high five!

>>470292
no. more people needed to edit this book

>Night land
Hodgson isn't a particularly great writer.
Story is kind of meh.
The Setting is great beyond belief though.

>>470310
what, too many words for you to read?

gtfo

>>466116
My sister read that. But she also read The DaVinci Code, and watches The Hills and Grey's Anatomy, so I'm cautious to take her advice.

Read some Tim Winton, asses.

Get some Australian literature into your gullets.

>>469998
Fuck yeah Margaret Atwood. At the moment I've only read Cats Eye, but i keep hearing good things about her sci-fi works. So i'm trying to find some.

Christos Tsiolkas. I doubt anyone here has read him. Fantastic Australian author. Very graphic with sex and violence, but not in the enjoyable way. Read Loaded and then Dead Europe.

>>470434

Handmaid's Tale and Oryx and Crake are the only sci-fi type novels of hers that I've read, but Year of the Flood looks great too.

Plus the above two, I'd recommend Surfacing, Wilderness Tips, The Robber Bride, and The Blind Assassin. They were all excellent, and the last one is one of my favorite books of all time.

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White Teeth by Zadie Smith
House of Leaves by Mark Z. Danielewski
I Am The Messenger by Markus Zusak
Crush by Richard Siken
The Exorcist by William Peter Blatty

/lit/ needs to read some Watership Down.

i've always found this book perfectly made

Read moar Fernando Pessoa goddammit!
You are all quite welcome, bitches ...

>>470474
Read that when I was a kid. Pretty deperessing shit.

>>470474
looking at it now, the one bout rabbits right?

>>469117

There's nothing wrong with Huxley or Nietzsche but it's kind of annoying when they're all we talk about.

That's all.

Daniil Charms is amazing writer.

>>470474
Fiver sounds epic lol

INFINITE JEST

>>470292
TRUE FUCKING STORY

>>465954
When I was younger, my favorite book was Lord of the Barnyard. I'd recommend it just because of its novelty. It has no dialogue.

>>470509
Yes, it's fantastic. I couldn't put it down.
It's a great escapist read.

>>466116
I don't think the religious angle was very well thought out. You have to be either/or regarding the three big Abrahamic religions. Pi wasn't devout if he couldn't figure that out.

>>470591

NON FUCKING FICTION

>>470292
probably the best fantasy book I've read in years

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>>470598

Me too.

Thanks for saying that I thought I was the only one.

Yeah yeah religious tolerance, nice idea, but saying that you're simultaneously Catholic and Muslim is just . . . silly.

"hurr it's too deep for you"

No I get it. It's just fucking stupid because those religions contradict the shit out of each other.

"hurrrrrr he's saying all that nitpicky stuff about whether Jesus Christ was God or not wasn't important"

Then he wasn't much of a Muslim or Catholic.

STONER BY JOHN WILLIAMS

NO IT'S NOT ABOUT A POTHEAD, IT'S ABOUT AN EXISTENTIAL ANTIHERO ATTEMPTING TO SURVIVE IN A COLD AND BRUTAL WORLD BY CLINGING TO WHAT HE LOVES. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL GODDAMN PIECE OF LITERATURE AND THE FACT THAT ALMOST NOBODY'S READ IT PROVES THERE IS NO JUSTICE IN THE WORLD.

>>470651

Lies, it is about a pothead. It's a shitty exploitation book about weed sort of like that "Dear DIary My Name is Alice" shit.

2/10, it did make me laugh a little bit but I don't think anyone's going to fall for this.

Especially when I just called you out.

>>470657

You have no idea what the book even is, stop trolling.

"William Stoner is born at the end of the nineteenth century into a dirt-poor Missouri farming family. Sent to the state university to study agronomy, he instead falls in love with English literature and embraces a scholar's life, so different from the hardscrabble existence he has known. And yet as the years pass, Stoner encounters a succession of disappointments: marriage into a "proper" family estranges him from his parents; his career is stymied; his wife and daughter turn coldly away from him; a threatening experience of new love ends under threat of scandal. Driven ever deeper within himself, Stoner rediscovers the stoic silence of his forebears and confronts an essential solitude.
John Williams's luminous and deeply moving novel is a work of quiet perfection. William Stoner emerges from it not only as an archetypal American, but as an unlikely existential hero, standing, like a figure in a painting by Edward Hopper, in stark relief against an unforgiving world."
--From the back of the book

"Stoner is something rarer than a great novel--it is a perfect novel, so well told and beautifully written, so deeply moving, that it takes your breath away."
--The New York Times Book Review

>>470688

>The New York Times

And that's where I stopped reading.
just yanking your chain haha actually sounds like something I'd enjoy very much. Added to mah list. Thx for the recommendation.

>>470713
The part you didn't read says "Book Review"

>>470716

>implying The New York Times Book Review is any good

>>470740
No, actually, I wasn't, I was pointing out that I thought it was funny that Anon said he stopped reading at "The New York Time", when that's at the very end of the post.

"In his deliberately provocative - and deeply nihilistic - new book, “Reality Hunger,” the onetime novelist David Shields asserts that fiction “has never seemed less central to the culture’s sense of itself.” He says he’s “bored by out-and-out fabrication, by myself and others; bored by invented plots and invented characters” and much more interested in confession and “reality-based art.” His own book can be taken as Exhibit A in what he calls “recombinant” or appropriation art."

I love you New York Times Book Review, never change, never change.

>>470742

o ok

And the reason I did that was because I hate the entire paper not just the book reviews.

Commie rag. I read it every Sunday, the whole damn thing. Get my weekly dose of rage.

>>470743
Way to fail at nesting quotations.

Don't mind me, I'm just the greatest book of the 20th century. (Second if you listen to Nabokov)

It's about the Czechoslovakian co0mmunist revolution as viewed through a child's eyes and it's very surreal. Sorry about the bad picture.

Vellum by Hal Duncan. This book is micture of science fiction, fantasy, action and Sumerian gods, with some gay sex, but you can just skip these parts. And once you get to Jack Flash, you'll love this character.

I JUST READ THE NIGHT ANGEL TRILOGY A FEW WEEKS BACK
ITS ABOUT ASSASSIN BOY APPRENTICE BUT ITS NOT CLICHE BULLSHIT AND I THOUGHT IT WAS FUCKING AWESOME

NOW IM READING SPIN
ITS ABOUT A SHIELD TYPE THING THAT APPEARS OVER EARTH, AND OUTER SPACE AGES FAR MORE RAPIDLY THEN EARTH DOES (LIKE ONE YEAR = HUNDRED THOUSAND YEARS)
ITS PRETTY FUCKING AWESOME TOO
GO READ THEM

FUCK YEAH LIT

>>471063
can you elaborate on Spin?

>>471067
How so?

>>471042
Oh hell yeah, this book is awesome. Frankly astonishing when you consider it's his debut.

>>471063
Oh, hey, I've been meaning to read Spin. Robert Charles Wilson is a damn fine writer - I really dug The Chronoliths. His schtick is kind of "major, world altering, somewhat inexplicable events occur, and we trace the life, and the effects of this event on the life, of some character or characters." Classic sci-fi.

>>471075
Yeah, its pretty awesome so far. I hear the sequel is shit though.

I've mentioned these books a couple times before on this board, but I want to recommend the Western Lights series by Jeffrey Barlough - starts with Dark Sleeper. It's really, really good. It's basically a combination of nineteenth-century British novel and fantasy-horror in a really awesome alternate history kind of world. They have great characters, very well-written - Barlough pulls off the style he's imitating with verve. They are, put simply, really, really enjoyable books.

They're set in an alternate reality California where society is basically caught in a nineteenth-century British thing due to a past catastrophe that separated the West Coast from the rest of the world. And there are mastodons and pterodactyls and all manner of crazy shit. Dark Sleeper is more or less "Dickens, except with a Lovecraftian evil." You should read it. Only problem is it's a little hard to find.

I'll just talk about the latest book I finished about an hour ago, which was "Eating The Dinosaur" by Chuck Klosterman.

Personally, I thought it was probably his best collection of essays yet. He's the one dude I'd love to just sit around and talk about shit with. Anything in general would be fine, just because I love the way he tinks about seemingy meaningless stuff in Pop Culture.

>>471072
sequel is even more awesome thanks for more Jack Flash, amirite?

Nice little post-apocalyptica I read a while back called "Z is for Zachariah". There's a nuclear holocaust and we follow a teenage girl who survives the fallout in a rural valley until a man arrives in a radiation suit and tries to rape her.

Better than it sounds.

Stars and Bars. Novel about a man struggling to overcome his crippling shyness in a supremely confident world.

It ends with him RUNNING NAKED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.

>>471163
Also the protagonist is more relatable than anyone I have ever met or read about.

"The Leopard" by Giuseppe Tomasi de Lampedusa.

"In the spring of 1860, Fabrizio, the charismatic Prince of Salina, still rules over thousands of acres and hundreds of people, including his own numerous family, in mingled splendour and squalor. Then comes Garibaldi's landing in Sicily and the Prince must decide whether to resist the forces of change or come to terms with them."

>>471873
that book is fucking awesome!

your description sounds pretty dry, though

>>471156
It really isn't.
The ending was a piece of fuck.

>>471899

>The ending was a piece of fuck

/lit/: 4chan's most articulate board

well, at least it was in context.

>>465975

>those dialogues are so illogical and one sided they would have never made it into a peer reviewed philosophy journal.

If it wasn't for Plato we probably wouldn't even have philosophy journals.

>>472222

Every now and then this thought crosses my mind and I shed a single manly tear.

Orwell and Huxley are both faggots compared to this man

>>472251
that's pretty ridiculous. i doubt you actually believe that.

without plato, people would be worshiping some other greek dude.

Anyone ever read anything by Derrick Jensen? I'm reading Endgame and A Language Older than Words.

>>465975

Dey see me trolling

They hatin'

>>472256

Oh snap is that the bad guy from the first harry potter?

>>472270

Nah the pre-socratics were mostly pretty shit-tier.

Important because they were early but . . . shit-tier. Or, if not shit-tier, lost.

We're still heatedly arguing about idealism to this day.

No philosopher can claim to have had the sort of influence Plato did. Not one.

>ctrl+f 'calvino'
>no results
:(
you guys don't talk about calvino enough!

we talk about a select few books because there are only so many books that are basically required reading for being human, and thats what we're limited to for talking about on the anonymous internet

>>472310
that does not make (your) claim any more valid.

idealism is not debated. i don't know what you are talking about.

>>472310

Exactly. Every idea ever, is found in Plato or Aristotle, with a few found on other greek guys. The rest are just variations.

And since Plato was Aristotle's teacher, then he is godmode.

>>472327
that must not include much of modern philosophy

>>472322
Are you the same Jackalope that wanders in that gunz forum?

BITCHES DON'T KNOW ABOUT MY BORGES

>>472339

All religious philosophy, from the middle ages up to today, is a variation of Plato´s theories. Really. The only difference they have is they center their studies in existence instead of movement.

Aristotle was a more down to earth guy, and though his metaphysic book has some really clear flaws, it has also influenced tons of people.

Other greek influences that aren´t them... Democritus and his SCIENCE, Helenism and it´s pleasure and Skepticism is pretty much postmodernism.

>>472363

Hedonism, not helenism.

chuck klosterman?

He's supposed to be like the modern Hunter S. Thompson.

Read that I guess.

>>472363
i wont be responding to this plato stuff since im off. but i'd imagine that christians would have latched onto some other ancient thinker back in the medieval ages, and then the enlightenment would have happened as usual. without the "huge influence" of plato working at all. everything we have today would still be in place.

>>466015

I read 'Memories of My Melancholy Whores' from him. One of the greatest books I've ever read.

>>472363

>Skepticism
>postmodernism.

I want to rip out your skull and shit down your neck, so that all the bullshit you're polluting your world with will get back into where it came from.

How the fuck do you connect post-modernism and skepticism?

I've read 'Memories of My Melancholy Whores' in like, one week. It's one of my favorite books.

>>472390

They´d chosen some other philosopher, but I bet it would be a completely different present. Let´s get this shit clear, every philosopher worth his caliber knows, even if he doesn´t like it, that philosophy and all kinds of real hard thinking (In modern culture, especially in Europe and America) come from Plato.

Yes, there were important people before and after, but that guy set the bar.

>>472403

What is real? How can we be sure if something is? How do we perceive? Are senses all we need?

>>472436

That's just epistemology in general

>>466699
Oh, FUCK YEAH!

>>472460

A big field in postmodernist philosophy.

>>472472

YEA, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER SCHOOL OF PHILOSOPHY.

You might as well say that post-modernism and existentialism are the same fucking thing. Or that rocks and cats are very much alike, since you can place stuff on them.

>>472472
>>472514

You know? I take that back, IT'S NOT A BIG FIELD WITHIN POST-MODERN PHILOSOPHY.

NAME ONE INFLUENTIAL POST-MODERN PHILOSOPHER WHO BOTHERS WITH THAT SHIT.

>>472514

Epistemology is considered to be one of the schools of philosophy that has attracted more attention during recent times, and taken a spotlight.

Kinda like with Giddens Sociology. Of course, there are other classes, maybe older and maybe more important, but this one has attracted the attention of tons of sociologists.

Or what, are you saying that philosophy doesn't change it's focus, since it has so many important school of thoughts?

>>472526

Zubiri. He's like the foundation of the philosophy curriculum of the school I go.

Epistemology is not a "school" of philosophy, it's a subject. That's like saying "Ethics" are a school of epistemology.

>>472538
> Sociology

I found your problem, bro. Sociologists are shit-tier philosophers, along with English majors. Take a real course if you're interested in the subject.

>>472566

Philosophy and social science students. English is not my first language, so somethings may be lost in translation, and sorry for the school slip.

Still, that's what I've been thought. Subjectivity and relativity, in both knowledge and perpection, is what people are studying now. And what I read from Zubiri and some other guys that I can't remember their names, seemed to confirm that.

>>472327
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>>472472

Haha I'm so glad I stepped back and let you take over.

Funny shit.

>>472576

Hope it was "I laugh alongside you", than an "I laugh at you". Still, if I fucked up, then I can learn.

>>472566

>Sociologists are shit-tier philosophers

No, philosophers are sociologists who don't know how to use quantitative methods.

>>472575

Look, I'm as a matter of fact the same. I'm studying sociology and philosophy. I'm sorry If I sound as an asshole, but I have to listen to this stuff all day; and it's simply not true.

From what I've understood, you're studying continental philosophy. If you get the chance, try to get into an introduction course regarding "analytic philosophy", and you'll see what I'm on about.

It's 1.20, and I have to get up tomorrow. nn.

>>472582

Laughing alongside you.

Maybe not for the reason you think I am though.

I don't know. My brain is full of fuck.

>>472590

Yup, continental philosphy. My first semester was mostly Zubiri and Xirau.

For some odd reason, whenever a thread is actually getting good or interesting, /lit/ turns it into a fucking philosophical argument. Don't get me wrong, I like philosophy as much as any /lit/tard out there, and do recognize the literary value of philosophical books, but when a thread goes from recommendations of good books to arguments about philosophy I get sad. Honestly, it wouldn't bother me so much if people who were about to post a recommendation didn't suddenly get sucked into the argument and completely forget what they were going to post about.

Fix'd.

>>465954
>You guys talk about the same books over and over.
>OP doesn't suggest anything new to talk about

OP is such a raging faggot.

As I Lay Dying
Mrs. Dalloway
The Bell Jar
The Jungle
A Passage To India
The Beautiful and Damned

>>472693

>As I Lay Dying
Yes.
>The Bell Jar
Fuh-ck noh.

just read this book, really good, better than expected. Its an easy read, finished it in about two days, (couldn't put it down after a while). Def. a new Beniof fan for sure!!

Its crazy how funny and gross and tense this book can get.

Joseph Mitchell, Up In The Old Hotel
John Berger, Little Big Man
Evan S. Connell, Mrs. Bridge
Brian Moore, Black Robe
Madison Smartt Bell, Soldier's Joy
Don DeLillo, Libra
Robert Stone, Children of Light
Louis de Bernieres, Captain Corelli's Mandolin
Martin Amis, Money
J.G. Ballard, Crash
Alain Robbe-Grillet, Jealousy
Tim Powers, Last Call
Dave Eggers, What Is The What
Joshua Ferris, Then We Came To The End
Richard Flanagan, Gould's Book Of Fish
David Mitchell, Cloud Atlas

The author is not totally obscure, but he's quite "specialist". I recommend:

John Cowper Powys - Weymouth Sands

Why: Reminicent of Dostoyevsky, but in English and idiomatic to the language and culture. It's not his masterpiece (that is A Glastonbury Romance, but this is an esoteric and impenetrable work, even by the standards set by the genre), but it is superbly atmospheric, with strong characters, and very pleasingly written. The slightly "picky" writing style reminds me of heavily notated music - it never becomes obtuse, but it's simply rather... nourishing to read over.

Americans may find this a little awkward to buy cheaply, unfortunately :\