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What's in a name? A lot, when it comes to fantasy

"Portentous apostrophes and incongrously-named characters (hands up Terry Goodkind and Anne McCaffrey) drive me wild when I'm reading — authors should learn from the naming skills of Ursula Le Guin and Alan Garner"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/booksblog/2010/mar/16/fantasy-character-names

Okay, /lit/erati, what are your pet peeves, and principles, when it comes to names in fiction - I mean that broadly: which authors, books or series do it well, which badly; how would you go about choosing or creating convincing names, what would you avoid; if we're talking invented worlds, how familiar / strange should a name be, how deep does the linguistic basis need to be? Or anything else that occurs.

>> No.451688

Can't stand plain ass names like Jim

can't stand names like you already said

Al'vadioq K-ee''lik La Trois

shit is stupid

>> No.451699

Pet-peeves are names, that coincidental or otherwise, I've heard before in fantasy.

Aragorn -- Eragon
Wormtongue -- Wormtail

Inverted universes should have familiar names, with some underlying darkness -- or lightness, depends on what you're going for, really -- that is subtle but evident.

>> No.451700

>>451688
I wish Steinbeck was alive so I could ask him what to name my kids. That man had a gift for names that fit a character like a second skin.

>> No.451702

>>451699
>Wormtongue -- Wormtail

Wow this kid did not even try

>> No.451738

I agree very strongly with the article on most points, except for the part about 'sweater-vest' names. Whenever I write, I try to use a lot of 'boring names' for characters that give it a sense of realism. Those John Harrisons, and David Honeywells or whatever. I wouldn't name my protagonist that, but likewise I wouldn't name them something ridiculous with an apostrophe every few letters. (Or any apostrophes, save for your rare contracted 'de' in a noble's surname.

That said, Harry Potter and Richard Cypher ARE terribad names. Names really should be systemically random. Why aren't there ever two people with the same first names in stories? It's non-random randomness.

Realism above all, in fantasy too -- Everything should make sense, so that we can focus on suspending our disbelief where it counts. That magic is real. That heroes can go through incredibly dangerous situations repeatedly wearing plot armor and never die. And so on.

>> No.451747

>>451738

Good points, anon. Another thing that occurs to me: some authors seem to feel that names must always have an underlying meaning (whether in the language of writing, or in a language within the world of the book). In some kinds of worlds - for instance, if one were basing it on mediaeval Europe, where saints names and such did carry meaning in this way; or other cases where real or folk etymology is or was important in naming - I can see this being a good idea, but it can also be very overdone. That is, there also seems to me room for naming conventions more like those in modern Anglophone countries, where names are often taken from admired individuals (even literary characters), or chosen for form above underlying etymology.

>> No.451748

>>451700

Tell me about it bro. I know Steinbeck doesn't get too much love here but the man could name his characters.

>> No.451763

I hate it when authors use the same letters for several first names. Honestly, I only tell the difference between characters by the first letter and how they act.

>> No.451765

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>> No.453900

I wrote a novel with a protagonist named Reginald Oswald.

Felt good man.

>> No.453915

That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet

>> No.453927

>>453915
"Here, sniff these assholes I plucked off that assholebush over there. I'll get you a whole bouquet of assholes for Valentine's day."

>> No.453935

>>453927

Can we get a drawfag to illustrate this? I really need the visual aid.

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>> No.453977

>>451763
Basically this.

>> No.454001

I cannot think of names for original characters to save my fucking life, and I rarely pay attention to the names of characters in other works. I do hate it when the fantasy or sci-fi characters have unpronouncable names with apostrophes, though.