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Glorious is as glorious does. I wouldn't say that any acts in our modern era are at all glorious. We're too jaded to see other human beings in that light.

>>4513299
Glitter!

Really high heels and a cute black dress too.

When it comes to glory I've always believed what was coined by Bruce Lee

>Showing off is the fool's idea of glory

You don't seek glory, glory is the result from an opportunity seized in the moment

>>4513319

i don't like you

>>4513320

can jadedness be undone? isn't this in part the spoils, rather than the causes, of glory--to cultivate enthusiasm where it is otherwise want?

>>4513349
>[I] don't like you
That's alright.
>[C]an jadedness be undone
I would bank (no pun intended) on ending capitalism.
Serious post this time.

Glory is almost always associated with war, but since war isn't very romantic nowadays, that's not the case anymore.

When I think of glory today I think sports. Usain Bolt, Lebron, Peyton Manning. They achieve glory. I mean, sports really is like war just without killing. Olympics is a pretty good example. It allows nations to go to war in a sense, and their athletes can achieve glory for their nation.

That's how I see it anyways.

>>4513299
Recommending this for you OP.

>>4513409
The Sport's field is the closest anyone today will get to true, old fashioned glory.
The Stanimal is glorious.
Australia smashing England is even more so

>>4513299
is "glory" today relegated strictly to the economic realm?
>glory
>high renown or honour won by notable achievements.

Military, athletic, business, scientific, humanitarian, artistic, political, the list could go on...

I wish OP's would think a little about their questions to see if there was an self-evident answer before setting their mouth to dicks.

>joy arising from imagination of a man's own power and ability
sure
>the economic realm
>economic glory
wtf

I am reminded of the opening sentence of Will to Power. "Of what is great one must either be silent or speak with greatness. With greatness--that means cynically and with innocence. "

What is glory but reveling in greatness? The soldier who earns respect by his actions in war is heralded with greatness. The sports hero is idolized in his field for displaying his superior greatness.

What we've "lost" in regards to glory is its self-value; we do not aim for glory, at least not openly, because we fear to be called vain. Consider people who are famous for being famous, do they not bathe in the adulation of the world? They care not that people hate as well, they feel the glory, the greatness, of simply having attention.

Today, it seems to me, we're more likely to append glory to those who do great things but stay humble. The ones who do not care for glory, or greatness, but who choose to do good in the world *because* it helps people.

>>4513409

but do we lose anything in this transition from the battlefield to the sports arena? what is shed in the process? is this loss a valuable one that reconfigure the terms of glory?

>>4513883

seen this before, but have yet to read it--any good?

>>4513934

please stop. you are clearly too uneducated to participate in this thread, and to those who perhaps have read the things i'm alluding to you come across as aggressively ignorant.

>>4513981

this is a very persuasive argument, and i cannot help myself in agreeing with you. do you believe that the "loss" you point toward has irreperably altered the terms of glory? i find it interesting to conceive glory in the terms you've laid down: that glory has erased its "self-value" seems to imply that it has simultaneously erased its principle value, which was always self-value. how are we to define this new form of glory?

very interesting post.

>>4514184
Also interesting is that you took a different take on what I said than what I wanted to imply... understandably so, since I used words like "loss". And more, your use of "irreparably altered"...

Well, yes, obviously I think it has changed, but so has a large number of ancient virtues. I do not think that anything is actually *lost*: not in the sense of "it cannot be recaptured", nor in the sense of "a part is missing".

I think that glory, along with honour, wisdom and the like, have changed as a result of other, social changes. In ancient Greek times, these were of massive importance (Socrates died for his honour) and very real modifiers of a person's character. Today, we may refer to a person as honourable, wise, or glorious, but I doubt that anyone *seeks* these things. If a person is described as such, it is as a result of actions those describing that person find good - for a purpose. If a person is honourable, but instead of, say, engaging in politics where such a virtue would be important, they're living a "normal" 9 to 5 existence, then that honour serves no purpose, has no application that displays its value.

Mind you, I'm making this up as I go along. It fits with other concepts I've thought about. I don't like buying into historicity and progress of social development as linear, but I keep finding these changes in conceptions which seem to follow in a pattern from some change in human nature (possibly following the enlightenment).

I stumbled on this stuff first in Lyotard's The Postmodern Condition. Specifically, the changing conditions of knowledge in the information age combined with efforts and ideals of democracy.

>>4513319
There's a fine line between pleasure and pain.

>>4513299
Im not a big fan of glory on the battlefield, because causing others to suffer is questionable.

This guy though:

http://www.cmohs.org/recipient-detail/3458/dunham-jason-l.php

Found glory through selfless act. In "The Way of Men", the author suggests that one finds glory by reaching the pinnacle of a manly virtue, those virtues being courage, honor, mastery, and strength.

All glory is now private glory.

Glory in overcoming the existential angst inherent in a super-civilized culture.

>>4514248
La petite mort.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlj1QeIeszI