/lit/ - Literature

Dostoievsky always starts out slow, if it's the first time you're reading him.

I actually enjoyed the parts you're talking about, so I can't really sympathise with you, but it really does pick up as all his books do.

>>4463740
You're barely more than one-tenth through the book. Give it another 150 pages and if you still aren't into it then drop it.

OP you know that poor people and peasants have repetitive lifes. Where as most books skip over those daily norms and give you important instances, Fydor goes into excruciating detail over how awful poor life is.

As someone who grew up poor, repetitive life is a given.

>That feel when educated white guy who grew up in the hood.

>>4463812
>grew up in the hood
If you're white you didn't have a true hood experience, and you know it. Stop trying to wedge your way into a culture you were never a member of.

>>4463821
You do understand the hood means poverty correct? If you were smart enough in your street language you would know that.

>People trying to tell me how hood people think.

The word hood is not after the word neighborhood but instead from poverty stricken region. It is a development of human language. Have you never heard to words that sound the same but are not ? This is what happens when intellect is controlled, you live within its frame.

>>4463832
> You do understand the hood means poverty correct?
So you could grow up in the middle of the Appalachian sticks and say it's "the hood" just because people there are poor?
I've never heard that.

>>4463832
It's clear you don't know what you're talking about.

>>4463740
http://www.theonion.com/articles/film-adaptation-of-the-brothers-karamazov-ends-whe,2787/

>>4463840
Yes, poor areas are refereed to as the hood. Do they call rich black neighborhoods "the hood"


Is your mind blown yet?
Nope. tfw you know black grammar makes them sounds stupid , but speak its natively

>tfw at times people think I am dumb because I can't help but use my hood grammar instead of my learned grammar.
>you are killing mt language by being a language elitest. You are denying my form of living through grammar nazism.

>>4463840
nigga he's some stupid cracker fashions himself a smart hoodrat. he ain't nothin but a hoochie mama.

>>4463846
You realize that the fact that you don't call rich black neighborhoods "the hood" doesn't support your interpretation of "the hood" as meaning all poor areas, right? The hood refers to areas of urban poverty, majority black, with higher than average crime.

>>4463740

Oh man, if you ever got to the part where Alexy meets Ivan at the tavern you'd probably explode.

>>4463874
>majority black

No so much, trust me.

>>4463894
my favorite part :,(

The book is 800+ pages of dialogue. If you dont like it just give up it is not worth wasting the next few weeks reading something you wont like

>>4463921
I would, except that you're wrong.

>>4463932

I liked it, it's just for someone that considers the books to have bouts of dialogue that drag on when they're barely in the book Imagine them feel like they're grinding there teeth at that point.

I may put say this in a unappetizing way, but please, don't let it dissuade you from reading.

>>4463740
> nonsensical (every time Fyodor Karamazov speaks)

pff, Fyodor is easily the best and smartest Karamazov

>>4463962

>Fyodor
>Smarter than Ivan

>>4463979
>Ivan
>Smarter than anyone

>>4463979
>Ivan
>not completely losing it

>>4464006
>>4464008
Ivan was the smartest, but Dostoevsky didn't like it

>>4463740
i bet this is your first Dostoevskij lol

OP, you're in for a treat when you get to book 6, it's a basically just a 50 page monologue by Zosima explaining all of his religious views

I got very close to quitting when I got to it, but power through, things start to speed up again in book 7.

That's just kind of how he writes.

OP, I think you'd prefer Crime and Punishment - it has a much faster pace and less philosophical debate

>non-slavs who have to read this in english

>>4464153
what about slavs who read it in english?

>>4464151
Not really that much of a 'faster pace'.

Start with Notes From Underground and if you can't handle that OP, maybe not for you at this point in time.

>>4464171
masochistic

>>4464153
I bought it in Russian I just need to learn more words OK???

>>4464151
I'm reading it right now, about half way in. I don't think a book has made me feel dirtier or more ill at ease. But I haven't read fiction in years so that's probably why.

>>4463840

Technically it refers to poor urban environments populated by minorities, but he could call it the hood. Honestly he just comes off as posturing phony. I've lived in the ghettos of Houston Texas and I'm black, but I don't actively call it "the hood" everywhere I go, it's usually used in bragging terms between brothas and doesn't make sense to say contextually in all cases.

Stop romanticizing poverty, it makes you look like an ass.

>>4464175
There's still a lot of dialogue, but the plot moves along much faster. After the first few chapters, every scene, every conversation you learn something new. There's less minor characters, less side-plots, less monologues about religion and philosophy

seems like you want to be entertained by the book where it wants to educate you and get you to think. you're gonna have to try a bit harder, OP, sorry to say.

>>4464143
are u for real. the chapter with the mysterious stranger didn't get you in the feels?
i came back that night to kill you
nothing??

is this dude for real??

>>4464276
This guy knows.

>>4464316
I'd forgotten about that part. I'll accept that the story about how he became a monk was interesting, it was the 30 pages about his beliefs that had me yawning. Maybe for someone more knowledgeable about Christianity / philosophy it would be interesting, but large parts of it went over my head

>>4464328
I can agree with you there, admittedly I was tryna get your goat a little with my post. The book obviously isn't hyper-stimulating and can feel like work at times.

Welcome to classic literature. Boring dialogue galore. You have to realise the majority of people back then lived boring lives.

>>4465192
And wrote in a boring way*. You find the occasional gems of course.

>>4465192

The Brothers Karamazov was one of the most gripping things I have ever read

>>4465372
I forgot to write but not boring to some. I find the tea parties, dances, dialogue etc in novels like War & Peace and Pride & prejudice to be utterly uninteresting but anons on here and else where find it very interesting.

>>4465663
I like the setting of the Brothers because I find the setting of the novel very interesting. The old Russia, at the verge of change and revolution, but from the point of view of a small town far away from the capital.

I thoroughly enjoyed Crime and Punishment, is TBK somewhat similar to it? Also are there any prerequisites for it, like the bible?

>>4464328
If you're reading the Brothers Karamazov for the story you'll find it terribly boring, frankly. But what's so great about it is the whole philosophical discussion behind it and (in my opinion) how Dostoevsky manages to convey his ideas through stories of people who seem very real thanks to the writer's skill in portraying the average peasant or the high class person, etc.

>>4464153

The translation to english by Richard Pevear and Larissa Volokhonsky has been acclaimed for being very accurate and sticking close to Dostoevsky's writing style. I liked it. I still do want to learn russian to read the original.

>>4466599
read >>4466602 this version. It costs 8 bux on Amazon but it's so much better than the classical translation by Constance Garnett. It also comes with fuckloads of annotations that explain the context of certain dialogues, give historical background and point out when Dostoevsky is referencing the bible or other writers.

>>4463812
Weren't the Karamazovs all doing okay for themselves? Especially Fyodor, he was kinda rich if my memory isn't complete shit. They weren't poor-poor like Raskolinkov.

>>4466629
yes, but these are only the main characters, the majority of the other characters are poor. And in the case of Fyodor and Dmitri they are fairly uneducated so they act a lot like peasants would.

>>4466610
already got the Constance garnett version, fUCK

>>4466653
isn't that version free on digital though?

>>4466653
>enjoy dat cockney peasant dialogue

>>4466745
>>4466742
Is it really that big of a deal? Should I search for this other version instead of continuing with the Garnett one??

>>4466742
which one do you mean? I don't like reading books online, but this other version is so great then I will do it anyway. Is the Pevear version anywehre online? I can not seem to find it.

>>4466823
if you don't mind she skipped paragraphs she didn't understand, just stick with it

you're a pleb anyway so it doesnt matter

>>4466823

just get the p&v one more modern, more fun to read and you can easily pirate that shit nigga

>>4466823
I personally uphold the integrity of the original work above anything, and I really hate the fact that Garnett injected victorian literature aspects to The Brothers in her translation.

The Pevear version as has been said is modern and it the style does seem foreign-like, despite being in English which I think adds a positive effect to the novel.

>>4466742
I mean the Garnett one. It's the one that's most readily available everywhere because it's public domain.

also
>not having a kindle

>>4463740
I had very much the same experience. Read up to 250 pages, and then if it still isn't doing it then don't pursue,

>mfw there are people on /lit/ who not only buy books, but they also buy them without even researching the translations they picked

>>4466908

fuck I meant to quote this one >>4466865

>>4464151
crime and punishment, like all dostoevsky, is unbearably slow at some points too.

>>4466934
sup plebbit

>>4463832
Jesus Christ, it's been a while since I've seen a faggot of this caliber

>>4466894
>and you can easily pirate that shit nigga

Yes, but where? Can't find shit on google.

>>4467014
Check the sticky.

>>4463894
That part was amazing. I actually reread three or four times because I liked it so much.

>>4466912
holy shit, that kids hand writing is amazing.

>>4466602
I disagree, I read it mostly for the story and I still thoroughly enjoyed it.

>>4466937
sup faggot

From the synopsis, it seems like the book is heavily based on religion, more specifically orthodox Christianity, something I know nothing about. Is reading the Bible necessary to understand this book?

>>4467791
no one?

plebian
skip everything about religion
it is what i did

>>4467879
o-ok, butterfly

>>4467879
>skip everything about religion

So just read like 15% of all of Dusty's books? Hm...

>>4468016
better yet. only read dawkins.

>>4467879
I choose to skip a lot of book, based on several criteria, for lack of time. And I don't use the word "plebian." Too elitist.

>>4468043
*correction
I refuce to use any term of greek origin

>>4468041

>only read dawkins.

if you're going to impersonate him and shitpost then at least make it believable

you done fucked up, son

>>4468043
>for lack of time
>shitposting daily for hours on 4chan

...
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>lack of time
>shitposting daily for hours on 4chan

...

>>4468062
So, why doesn't this butterfly character just make a trip if they think their /lit/ persona is so precious?

What's stopping everyone from putting this in their namefield?

>>4468148
That is a good idea

>>4468148
>why doesn't this butterfly character just make a trip if they think their /lit/ persona is so precious
Sounds like a strawman to me.

>>4468161
What

>>4468157
I agree. Wish I thought of it before.

>>4468157
How to make a tripcode:

1. Put whatever name you want in the namefield.

2. Directly after it place an octothorpe, or pound sign (#).

3. Write whatever as a password directly after it.

Example: Name: Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ#isucksomuchcock

Your tripcode is generated automatically based on the password you type after the #.

It's very easy. No need to treat it like some magic trick of the privileged.

>>4468175
noice

>>4468175
I fell like a Queen!

>Closing thread.

>>4468175
>inb4 she deleted all these posts

>>4468194
>implying she doesn't long for sweet Hegelian synthesis with us all in name and essence

>>4467860
You don't need to if you read the P&K version. They annotated all passages of the bible referenced and even explain some of the meaning behind them. However if you spend a little time reading through the key passages (the three temptations of the devil to jesus is the principal one) you'll have a better time understanding Dostoevsky's ideas

>>4468175
>It's very easy. No need to treat it like some magic trick of the privileged.
No, the magic trick of the privileged is still being able to draw peoples' attention twelve hours after they initially adopt a tripcode, which most people who use one cannot do. This, for example. is why people still remember me and not the sixty or seventy or so people who have used the same name I have here over the last two years.

If you are a boring nobody with worthless opinions no amount of flashy gimmicks or name changes will make people remember you. This is, again, borne from a misunderstanding based on the slavish idiot's interpretation of power. He looks at a tripcode and thinks someone's popular because of a line of text in their name field, or that anyone cares what they say because of this, or that that's why their opinions are so interesting. This is of course, ridiculous, a mere byproduct. All of this properly comes from a strong-willed personality, or having controversial or informed opinions, etc, and people who lack these features yet use tripcodes are just as easy to ignore and forget as people who don't.

>>4469237
Elel

fugg inb4 bane

>>4466602
I like the Peveal-Volokhonsky translation for the footnotes on the church references. People who don't study this stuff would have no chance of getting them regardless of being Slavic or not.

(I'm Slavic and I've read a Slavic translation, it didn't have the footnotes)

>>4469237
apparently having a strong-willed personality and controversial opinions means lording your lit theory 101 knowledge over everyone for 10000 posts

>>4463844
I've never read this book but this had me dying.
I fuckin love the onion