/lit/ - Literature

>>4431334
i don't know if i've seen someone do that

>>4431337
Hemingway is a bad writer. His prose served the bourgeoisie.

>>4431337
It's constant, whenever you mention him you're sure to hear a dismissal of him, though it's never explained. Is it just because he's so popular and well-known?

because he's american

>Hemingway
Hemmingway, OP.

>>4431334
Personally, I don't care for his style. That said, I've never called him a bad writer; I've always been sure to make clear that this is a personal thing and nowhere near an objective judgement.

The Old Man and the Sea is the only Hemmingway I've read. I enjoyed it and it was so easy to read I finished it in a day.

>>4431897
I hope you caught all the symbolism.

It's spelled Hemmingway.

>>4431910
I don't care about symbolism and what the author meant to tell me about life

>>4431910
There's no symbolism, it's all spelt out as if for idiots.

>>4431910
A MAN CAN BE DESTROYED BUT NOT DEFEATED

HEMMINGWAY MANLY BOSS NEVER GIVE UP JUSTIN BIEBER

SUCH DEEP HEMMINGWAY GENIUS

>>4431923
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>>4431930
Never change, /lit/.

girls with boyish hair in every single fucking book

he's my favourite though :3

Holy shit, /lit/ can be retarded at times

>>4431944
Why's that wise one?

Because he doesn't use enough adjectives. You see a majority of /lit/ are a bunch of wordsmith who feels the need to pad and increase the word count in everything they write. But because of this they fail to realize that overuse of adjectives is precisely why they are shitty, shitty, writers.

>>4431961
>ONLY SHITTY WRITERS DISLIKE HEMMINGWAY'S PERFECT WRITING STYLE YOU'RE ALL MAD LOL FAGOTZ

>>4431957
see
>>4431930

>>4431964
What's wrong with that post?

>>4431966
Are you seriously asking what's wrong with comparing something to Justin Bieber's persona for the sake of reinforcing your argument, and doing so in broad, capitalized statements? Whoever typed that, like >>4431963 is a moron incapable of voicing his opinions in any way reasonable.

>>4431970
But he's more or less right. I don't have any problems with his capitals, it's symbolism ;]

Girls and girly boys (i.e. 99% of /lit/) feel threatened by his masculinity.

>>4431973
It's symbolism for something completely devoid of reason or thought and just a very vocal opinion. You can do that with just about every author

David Foster Wallace
>LEL SO MUCH STUFF IN ONE BOOK HAVING A LIBERAL ARTS DEGREE IS SO COOL I KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT SHIT NOBODY CARES ABOU

Dostoyevsky
>GO TO THE CHURCH GUYS KILL PEOPLE SO GENIUS HE PUTS MANY VOICES IN ONE BOOK POLYPHONY IS SO COOL xDDD

Okay, that was fun. You get the point.

>>4431930
Do you enjoy simplifying things and then attacking them?

>>4431988
But both are valid points.

>I do like David Foster Wallace, but sometimes I feel like he's showing off his vast knowledge about trivial things, that aren't really related to anything in particular

I don't think this is in any way better (or worse) than
>LEL SO MUCH STUFF IN ONE BOOK HAVING A LIBERAL ARTS DEGREE IS SO COOL I KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT SHIT NOBODY CARES ABOU

They both express the same point, but the latter one is also a bit funny

>>4431930
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>>4431923
And none of you can tell me what it means when the old man thinks about the lions.

>>4431939
We should get a collection of these things.

>>4432011
>trying to trick me into explaining him the book
lol go read sparknotes plebmaster

>>4432025
I know what it means when the old man thinks of the lions. Hemingway himself also "thought about the lions" often in his life.

>>4432019
Agreed.

>>4432036
You showed him!

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>>4431939
Epic win

>>4432051
Glad you like it! :^)

it's not the same without visible sages

>>4432054
>no one can see how smug and above all of you I am
Life must be tough for you :^(

>>4432056
i was saying that these images are funnier when you can see people saging but eh

>>4432037
>You showed him!
Are you implying that the purpose of my OC is to "show" some particular poster on /lit/?
>being this mad that you went full retard
Keep in mind I was replying to someone that posted a similar picture.

I do think he's a bad writer. I think the content of his work is every bit as bare as his prose. I've never found anything that I look for in literature in a Hemingway novel.

That's just my opinion. I feel I have the right to it. I don't think that makes me a contrarian.

>>4431371
Fucker was a commie spy in the 40s

>>4432080
>I think the content of his work is every bit as bare as his prose.
What have you read by him?
> I've never found anything that I look for in literature in a Hemingway novel.
What do you look for in literature?

the lions represent his desire to be a man but never actually achieving it

My issue is that although he was revolutionary at the time, his style has now become standard.

The truths echoed by writing courses and 'experts' is that less is more and that you must simplify and be as minimalistic as possible. Of course, avoiding purple prose is good but teaching minimalism as the only alternative is stifling.

>>4432100
>My issue is that although he was revolutionary at the time, his style has now become standard.
Hopefully you're not implying that's Hemingway's fault.

>>4432105

No it's not. You can't blame an artist for the people he in turn inspired. It would be like blaming the Rolling Stones for Aerosmith or Springsteen for Bon Jovi.

It's hard now to see Hemingway with fresh eyes because of his immense influence.

>>4431981
This just tells me you don't understand his work, his masculinity is a put-on, he's a deeply feminine man in how he sees and experiences the world.

Hemingway is a fucking beast guys, seriously.
>writes short fiction
>>six words long
>>>reinvents prose for his era.

Hemingway is great, he's just too well known for il/lit/erati to take him seriously
>because popular means pleb

>>4432381
Dem damn womyns have taken the patent on being natural, so men can only be idiots.

>>4431334
Because after his early work he just tries to write like Hemingway would. He panders to expectations and his whole masculine stoic thing is so cringey.

>>4432084
Mate, the Soviet Union was capitalist.
1) Value form
2) Wage labour
3) Bourgeois state apparatus including parliament and bureaucracy
4) And that not even under workers control

>>4432688
ur mom is capitalist scum bitch

>>4432385

>Hemingway is great, he's just too well known for il/lit/erati to take him seriously

could you and anyone else that keeps saying things to this effect please shut the fuck up? it's absolute dogshit and you'd know it if you weren't so fucking stupid. 95% of the canonical authors /lit/ is preoccupied with are popular. many of them more so than hemingway.

yea, i think hemingway's a shit author, so you can shove that bullshit rationale right up your ass while i'm over here enjoying shakespeare, arguably the most popular author of all time.

>>4432767
The most popular "named meat" author of all time would be Saul/Paul.

>>4432109
Like blaming Salinger for killing John Lennon

Or blaming DFW for people on /lit/

Hemingway was a good writer, but as a person he was a stunted narcissistic mentally ill theatrical dramatic cunt. That's mostly what's addressed on /lit/. Which is necessary, since easily influenced boys look up to him as some masculine role model in an unjustified manner.

>>4432051
:3

>>4432767
Did your daddy like Hemingway or something

Does it remind you of your own inadequacy

>>4432951
Ugh

I bet he thought that sounded good

I'm not sure that most of the folks calling Hemingway shit have thoroughly thought out why they don't like him but I don't like his minimal prose style or how most of his stories are more or less exactly the same. I tend to like more playful prose (Proust, Pynchon, Joyce, Faulkner, Antunes, Bernhard, McCarthy, Svevo). Also I think a lot of Hemingway's works are too singular and focused in scope. There aren't seven ways to interpret The Old Man and the Sea or The Sun Also Rises. I'm sure someone's going to point out that a few of the authors I like do the same thing a lot but I'm more taken with either the work as a while or the prose they use (as previously stated).

Also Hemingway's subtlety always strikes me as fucking obvious high school english class material.

>>4432967

yea my daddy liked hemingway and now i feel inadequate???

what the fuck are you even talking about get the hell off 4chan and go get some fresh air you crazy fuck

>>4432381
This. Hemingway scholars all accept this truth

>>4431910
>I hope you caught all the symbolism.

Hemingway on the symbolism in The Old Man And The Sea...

"There isn't any symbolism. The sea is the sea. The old man is an old man. The boy is a boy and the fish is a fish. The sharks are sharks, no better, no worse. All the symbolism people say is shit. What goes beyond is what you see beyond when you know."

>>4433026
You can't understand the symbolism in old man and the sea if you haven't read the bible.

>>4433004
mmmmmmm

nowhere in this thread do i see mentions of his short stories,only his novels

he's a damn good writer

>>4432951

That's actually pretty kawaii

>>4432001
I don't know about him but I certainly enjoyed it.

>>4432381
>he's a deeply feminine man in how he sees and experiences the cock.

Fixed that for you.

>contrarian

that's why every other author discussed here is just about as well known? we just chose this arbitrary instance to apply fallacies to an author?

his prose is shit. he has great psychological insight but it's coated with shit.

>>4434318
I disagree that his prose is shit. The only bad thing about his writing is how he writes dialog. Everything else is fairly good, except when he goes on and on about streets in Paris. You could follow along and make a fucking roadmap.

You guys are missing the appeal of his writing when you focus on the fact that Hemingway was not the stoic badass that he was constantly trying to portray himself as; you should be focusing on is the fact that he wanted to be that stoic badass. He was an insecure and traumatized man, and he tried to escape his own weaknesses of emotional attachment and fear through his detached and brave protagonists.

That's not a bad thing, in fact that's why I like him, because there's always that nugget of wild and paralyzing anxiety and self-doubt buried deep of inside his best stories. Indian Camp, The Battler, Black Ass at the Cross Roads, A Farewell to Arms, The Short Happy Life of Francis Macomber, these are all stories that subtly shatter his own masculine ideals in a terribly heartbreaking, painful, and suicidal way. That loss of identity and the self-destructive struggle to reinvent yourself into a superior but ultimately unachievable form, that speaks to me.

>>4431665
Hemingway. One m. 3/10, made me respond.

>>4431334
He isn't a bad writer, he is just the seinfield of modern literature.

>>4434433
I wouldn't recommend you read Victor Hugo if you feel that way.

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>>4434529
IMO Hemingway was experimenting with a style of spare prose, got famous, and got stuck in that style because he got famous.
YMMV