/lit/ - Literature

Just gonna dump some pages from it for those interested.

These are in no particular order, by the way.

From what I can see here, the one from Exodus, the law about slaves, I agree with them, but for the rest is absolute bullshit.

>>4433538
>dat total misunderstanding of the Law

What is satire?

What the fuck, God? It's almost like you're a flawed deity!

>>4433531
>angels need food and protection from rapists
I thought angels were eldritch creatures who can't even show up to people without fucking up their minds.

>>4433580
>internal consistency
>myths

choose one pls

>>4433518
stop with the promo spam please
this board is for discussion not promotion

This just in, passages from ancient works of literature appear awkward and unpleasant when modern moral standards are applied to them.

Alternatively: this just in, antireligionists are almost as insufferable and poorly informed as the people they criticize.

>>4433520

like cmon son, if you think this story is about Jesus losing his temper you clearly have no literacy in the book you are quoting. Nor are you arguing against it in good faith, especially since the passage that immediately follows it makes it obvious that Jesus' warning was well considered as well as unheeded.

>>4433596
[ ] can take a joke about his faith
[x] can't take a joke about his faith and is butthurt about it

how about the part in leviticus that requires death by stoning for shaving your beard or whatever

>>4433601

Not really, just sick of people giving atheism a bad name as a bunch of whiny uneducated nitpickers.

>>4433608
and a series of humorous cartoons illustrating the dissonance of values between biblical times and today is what "triggered" you? Cry me a river

I'm a little bothered at how this treats violence as "funny" and trivializes it a lot more than the Bible does. I guess it's funny to see all these nice white people in "barbaric" situations.

Last one I'm gonna post.

>>4433621
>white ppl
>implying

>>4433611
Can someone explain how this is funny ?

+
>Odysseus

>>4433635
messianic religions/cults were the hot shit back then, sorry your education didn't cover that, muricunt

>>4433634
yea but like the visual "gag" of jesus playing baseball here >>4433538 is a juxtaposition of a contemporary ("civilized") america and an ancient ("barbaric") orient
also they're all white people

>>4433638
Here's the thing though, I'm not american and I'm probably more educated than you, for you don't seem to understand at least half of those names doesn't have anything to with messianic religions. And Odysseus isn't even the name of a person, it's the fucking name of a book.

>>4433638
>>4433650
Oh, and it's still not funny.

>>4433638
You are extremely Aggressive
>inb4 you actually think the people you are insulting are religious
Go lick dawkin anus

>>4433581
i'll choose internal constistency, thanks

>>4433580
Wanting to rape is having your mind fucked with. Its mind rape.

>>4433543
This passage is from the parable of talents (which is great, and if there's any reason to criticize it it's because prosperity gospel folks interpret it as a discouragement of charity); Jesus isn't commanding anything and it certainly isn't about killing people in Christ's name. It's troubling that the author decided to "orientalize" religious violence by calling this piece "jihad jesus." I don't think children should get their Biblical instruction from a racist.

>>4433650
Anon got it wrong by calling the demigods and such in the pic "messiahs", but if you can't see how the early Christians ripped off every other religion around at the time to contruct the divinity of Jesus, then you're clearly not as educated as you think.

>>4433650
>hurr durr im moar educated then u

and I have a 19 inch penis and have written several bestselling novels

>>4433679
>implying this is for children

you do take everything at face value, don't you?

>>4433613
Well, they're pretty low brow compared to analysing the Moses myth in light of Egyptian religious stories.

>>4433696

Sorry, only children seem to be posting in this thread so I can understand his mistake.

>>4433696
I think you do, since the point was to call the author a racist. The whole trend of "edgy" children's books is really dumb, anyway.

>>4433694
I'm so sorry for you. Best sellers are pabulum.

>>4433682
it's naive to think that desert rabbis from a backwater Roman province had the same knowledge of those religions as modern scholars do

>>4433650
>Odysseus isn't even the name of a person, it's the fucking name of a book.
>more educated than anybody

>>4433650
>And Odysseus isn't even the name of a person, it's the fucking name of a book

Point at him and laugh.

> Odysseus isn't even the name of a person

The apex of all lel

>>4433520
>what is the messianic secret

>>4433538
>Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

>>4433568
>not she-bears

Taking a bunch of Bible quotes out of context, grossly and indecently altering the text and tone.

Great fedoracore literature here.

>>4434206
It doesn't really take them out of context. In fact, almost all of them are completely ensconced in context. The most damning criticism that's actually valid is to say it cherry-picks examples to suit its agenda.

>>4433518
It's clearly garbage aimed at entertaining the "new atheists."

>>4434224
No, it's a troll aimed at the old and new theists.

It should be supplied in every hotel room across the country. Read it or you'll never understand the allusions.

>>4434216
>its agenda

I'm pretty sure it's just meant to be harmless fun and you're all oversensitive faggots

>>4433520
>>4433538
>>4433543
>>4433599
>>4433630
these are all taken out of context not within some Biblical tradition but even as an "impartial" reading of the Bible

>>4433524
>>4433555
>>4433588
these are real laws and it's as stupid to mock Christianity or Judaism for them as it would be to mock democracy for emerging in a time when people thought it was OK to cook people alive in metal bulls

>>4433546
this is a typical use of KJV language/translation to make the Bible seem "archaic" or from a time when people didn't understand biology or weren't enlightened enough to make stupid books like this

the rest are dumb and I'm not going over them

>>4434948
Da Jesus smiles upon thee for saving his reputation.
Ye shall surely receiveth extra cookies in heaven

>>4434975
taking out the trash is its own reward, citizen

>>4434980
Is Life of Brian next on your list?

>/lit/ - Apologetics and Atheist Bashing

>>4433520

As an interesting sidenote, the phrase that says "Jesus became angry" can also be translated as "Jesus was filled with compassion." I'm not sure why most translations decided to go with the first one; the second one seems much more in line with Jesus' character.

>>4433518
Meh. More semi-informed ranting with funny pictures.
Yawn

>>4435028
No one knows Jesus' character.

>>4433538
>dat complete misunderstanding of what the Law means

It's like everyone skipped over Paul's letters when they did their reading of the Bible.

ITT: no one can take a joke

>>4433580
This was a test of hospitality; the rules of hospitality (charity and kindness to strangers and aliens) was, and still is, a big deal to Jews and Arabs and is codified in the laws of the Torah and the Quran. Lot's willingness to take in strangers and, once he extended hospitality to them, defend them even at the cost of his own daughters is to show that he is a righteous, law-abiding man while the rest of Sodom, who are desperte to violate the laws of hospitality, are so wiked even virgins can't distract them, are clearly beyond hope.

>>4433561

The only legitimately awkward moment.

>>4433588

Blatant mistranslation. I'm pretty sure the guy who wrote this knows that he's misrepresenting the Bible too.

>>4435041
But who in their right mind would offer their own daughters to a mob of rapists?

>>4435046
So? That's not the point. He's not trying to make some heartfelt tribute to the Bible, he's making a humorous book showing the odd/questionable nature of the Bible.

>>4433638
>most of those names have nothing to do with a messianic cult
*where* were you educated, again?

>>4434216

No a lot of them are taken out of context, also a lot of them are mistranslated.

>>4434921

Yeah I'm sure the guy who wrote this had nothing else going on in his mind and this was all supposed to be a joke with no other underlying point to it whatsoever.

>>4435032

Bullshit

>>4435047
...a guy that knew the attackers were so depraved they wouldn't take the offer? A guy that understood the laws of hospitality demand that he make the offer? A righteous man who would uphold the laws of God despite the personal cost?

>>4435053
>showing the odd questionable nature of the Bible
>by misrepresenting the book that he's supposedly trying to show the nature of

You just proved my point for me, thanks.

>>4435053
No, he is mistranslating and twisting words to paint a false portrait of the nature of the bible

>>4435071

I don't understand why this is an awkward moment.

>>4435074
>>4435075
Holy shit, who cares? You're like one of those people who lambaste movie adaptations of books for not being 100% accurate down to the last detail. The point isn't to accurately represent it detail-for-detail, word-for-word, it's to have a good laugh about the content of the Bbile.

>>4435078
It's that people are trusting a homeless ex-con living under the bridge by the river and living off of bugs to give them something like a baptism.

>>4435080
...
really?
You do realize that this isn't actually "...hav[ing] a good laugh about the content of the bible" but rather 'having a good laugh about what some guy made up/misinterpreted about the bible', right?

>>4435092
What did he make up?

>>4435092

Please tell everybody the correct interpretation Bible.

>>4435080

So wait, is this to have a laugh about supposed Bible content or is this supposed to show the odd nature of the Bible? Which is it? Because all of a sudden you're moving the goalposts.

>>4435092

Please, go ahead, tell everybody the "correct" interpretation of the Bible.

>>4435098

Holy shit dude, a mistranslation is a fucking mistranslation, there's no "correct interpretation" about it.

>>4435106
What's wrong with having both?

>>4433568


What would fedoracore be without disgusting gay jokes.

>>4435114

"What's wrong" is that it isn't a legitimate critique of the Bible (except for the bit about Moses and foreksin, which is legitimately odd and funny by today's standards) it relies on subtle mistranslations and tone shifts of the actual text, as well as taking pieces of it vastly out of context. It's intellectual dishonesty that clearly came from somebody with an agenda.

>>4435107
*tips fedora*
>>4435094
*whips off trenchcoat*
>>4435080
*throws fingerless gloves*

>>4435071
Based

>>4435119
>"What's wrong"....blahblahblahblahblah... It's intellectual dishonesty that clearly came from somebody with an agenda.

It's a comedy book, DO NOT TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.

>>4435094
Sure!
see >>4433520 ?
the original Greek is (transliterated)
kai splagcnisqeiV ekteinaV thn ceira autou hyato kai legei autw qelw kaqarisqhti

and the Latin Vulgate is
Iesus autem misertus eius extendit manum suam et tangens eum ait illi volo mundare

The Greek is best translated into English as "And Jesus was filled with pity"; the Latin is closest as "and Jesus was filled with compassion"
He wrote "and Jesus was filled with anger"
Now, while one or two Protestant version have that translation it is both rare and long discredited; i.e., we know that it is an improper translation. A guy that claims to have been a Catholic then a mainstream evangelical Protestant would know that.
Thus - BS

>>4435130
Holy fuck, THIS.

Goddam it, /lit/. Sometimes you have some good things to say, but sometimes you're just basically what >>4435013 said you are. Lighten up.

>>4435130
>it's a comedy book
>implying nu-atheists do not genuinely believe everything represented here in an un-ironic manner

>>4435130

It's a comedy book that's also clearly trying to make a point. If you think otherwise you're being naive.

>>4435133
>a few people defend the Bible
>"oh my gosh guys this place is like Christian central"

There's still plenty of atheists on here dude, and I'd be willing to a bet that a lot of people calling out this book are atheists anyway who also noticed that it isn't a fair portrayal. Relax.

>>4435132
You have a point. I'm looking at the KJV of the verse right now and it says Jesus was "moved with compassion". Regardless, it's all a matter of interpretation anyway.

>>4435142

What? No it's not, "filled with anger" is a wrong translation. There's different interpretations in Christianity, (but even then, some interpretations are better supported) and then there's just flat out being wrong.

>>4435139
>It's a comedy book that's also clearly trying to make a point. If you think otherwise you're being naive.

Literally pulled straight from the synopsis :

>The Goal? Awkward Moments encourages readers to really understand what is in their Bibles and think for themselves about the context of Biblical teaching. The 32 color illustrations and included commentaries will likely challenge some readers to reflect on how religion continues to shape the lives and culture of future generations. If readers happen to laugh out loud and enjoy the interactive puzzles and games in the mean time - it’s just an added bonus!

yah, totally anti-christian right guys?

>/lit/
>getting mad over a childlike parody on a ''holy book''
We muslim now?
Do you even comedy?

>>4435094
want more?
There'ss plenty!
see this one? >>4433524

Actual translation:
"Sometimes people beat their slaves. If a slave is beaten and dies its killer must be punished. But if a beaten slave gets up and returns to work in a day or to the master shall not be punished."
In other words - BS

>>4435149

it has an "agenda"

>>4435148
>backpedalling

>>4435146
Well, this is all based on a story we can't really be sure on all the details of. So it's not just a matter of interpreting the text, but also the history.

>>4435083

Asceticism is respected in like every culture. What's wrong with an of that, why is living off bugs better than living off of mountain dew and doritos Mr. Fedora?

>>4435155
He's a fucking ex-con. Is that not enough for you?

>>4435155
>Asceticism is respected in like every culture.

Not in the Imperial West, it isn't.

>>4435157
Statist detected.

>>4435148
>moving the goalposts

That is not what we were talking about at all and you know it. Learn to concede.

>>4435161
Okay then. Would you trust an ex-con to perform surgery on you?

>>4435142
Are you really claiing that replacing "He was filled with compassion" with "He was filled with anger" is just 'interpretation'?
Like I said earlier, it is just another cheap, inaccurate attack on Christianity. Junk. Trash. Meant to mislead and misinform.
The exactsort of thing /lit/ should hate, right?

>>4435157

He was a political prisoner retard.

Wouldn't you love to be baptized by Snowden redditfag?

>>4435151
>Sometimes people beat their slaves
>their slaves
meaning their own

So... What's wrong?

>>4435169
>baptism is surgery

>>4435172
That it's approving of slavery?

>>4435147
>encourages readers to really understand what is in their Bibles and think for themselves about the context of Biblical teaching

By misrepresenting the text? Lol holy shit. This dude's a fraud. This sentence is just code for "the Bible sucks and here's why," by the way. Either you're naive or you understand what's going on and you'd rather cover it up than have an honest conversation about it. I'm willing to bet the latter.

>>4435174
I never said that. I'm using it as an example as to why it's a bad situation.

>>4435149
>implying I'm mad

also

>someone points out the flaws in something
>"lol dude why r u mad"

Is this really what we've become?

>>4435147
Pretty much, yeah
Hey, if I were to write a book about all the things wrong with atheism and fill it with misquotations Dawkins, Hawkings, Sagan, various text books, and CERN and talk about how it is "meant to challenge some readers to reflect on how atheism and science continue to shape their lives and culture" what would oyu think?
Because i would condemn that, too

>>4435178
>>4435172
>implying slavery is morally wrong
I bet you are the arrogant type that assumes this is a universally recognized truth.

>>4435184
/lit/ is dead, all the good posters have left, it's just you and me here now kiddo

>>4435152
Aye, anything that's not self created by a rich man has an agenda, and even if it's self created and published you can't be sure. Pretty sure every form of religious doctrine has an agenda, let people do with it as they please. I can't see it being any more than childish fun.

>>4435165

GOOD GOD YOU STUPID PILE OF DISINTEGRATING SHIT. IF IT LEGITIMATELY OFFENDS YOU GROW A FUCKING BACKBONE AND DEAL WITH IT YOU QUIVERING FUCKFLAP.

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>>4435186
Would YOU want to be a slave?

>>4435186
>implying you can justify slavery in any way without resorting to ethical nihilism

:^) your move

>>4435083
>homeless

Why is this a bad thing?

>living off bugs

Why is this a bad thing

>ex-con

Considering what John was sent to prison for - why is this a bad thing?

>>4435182
But there is nothing bad about the situation.

>>4433518
This book doesn't understand Jesus. Other than that, fine work.

>>4435160

We still have vestiges, monks still exist, many people respected hippies and bohemian types, but you are correct, the merchant has all but eliminated all values not involved with material gain. Which is why you get Fedoras saying Jesus was bad for being baptized by someone who ate bugs.

>>4435192
Irrelevant
>>4435193
I'm not a philosophy fag, so I have no idea what you're getting at.

>>4435187

I don't even want people to agree with me, I just want posters here to put up an actual argument instead of "dude stop pointing out what's wrong with it" and "here dude take some ad hominem, that'll show ya". Fucking hell /lit/. At least fucking try.

>>4435178
Sorry I didn't explain myself correctly.
I meant: what's wrong with how the book portrayed this fragment.

>>4435199
You're defending slavery. I'm testing your empathy.

>>4435189

Nobody said that having an agenda was inherently wrong, what they're saying is that you're trying to portray this book as not having an agenda and just being a book for laughs and that's it. They're just pointing out that no, that's not all there is to it.

>>4435206

>testing empathy
>on an anonymously

no

>>4435206
In case you haven't noticed, what we "want" has nothing to do with morals. Many people do not "want" to work, but that does not make people with jobs immoral.

>>4435208
Not feeling empathy makes you a sociopath. Do you want to be a sociopath?

>>4435192

I wouldn't want to be a janitor or work at mcdonalds, are those jobs unethical?

Hell, I would never want to be black, is blackness unethical?

>>4435209
No one deserves to have their freedom taken away and be forced into back-breaking labor under cruel conditions for the rest of their life. If you seriously think anyone does, you need to rethink things.

>>4435210

>asking psychological questions anonymously.

just stop

>>4435209
>what we want has nothing to do with morals

gonna need a citation on that, ace, I'm pretty sure it has all to do with morality

>>4435212
>avoiding the question

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK7P7uZFf5o

>>4435211
No and no. We do have standards for labor these days. And there's nothing ethical or unethical about being any race.

>>4433611
Jesus was fairly pacifistic, except for the temple part. A good majority of those names are not and his name is Yeshua.

>>4435218
>approving of slavery

>>4435234
I accept your admission of defeat.

>>4435190
Calm down, Francis
You're the on in caps lick

>>4435238
Never.

>>4435197
>many people respected hippies and bohemian types

citation needed

>>4435225

But the standards aren't high enough for me. Wasn't your argument that slavery is bad if you don't want to be a slave? Well I don't want to make under 25 bucks an hour, are all job under tat unethical?

>>4435245
It's not that people don't want to be slaves. It's that it's taking away freedom and human rights. You know, the things EVERYONE is entitled to. And when one is put in complete control of a human being, it leads to some cruel and unjust treatment of the slave. It's also treating people as property when they are not. So there.

>>4435250
nice b8 m8 ;^=)

when did we become /pol/

>>4435255
since they invaded every day and everyone who enjoyed this board left. I haven't been on for months, but I still see it's as bad as ever.

>>4435250
>freedom
2vague4me
>human rights
A meaningless buzzword, you will never get everyone to agree on a list of these
>entitled to
According to whom?
>it inevitably leads to cruel and unjust treatment
Nice generalization
>people are not property
They are if I own them

>>4435263

>>4435263
Well fuck you then. Sorry I believe in upholding the 13th amendment.

>>4435207
Is anything in comedy though? I mean, take Dave Chappelle, I find him absolutely hilarious, his main source of jokes is racial stereotypes/jokes and a story of Rick James, are they true? No. Are the words and manerisms heavily exaggerated? Ofcourse they are.

Comedy doesn't adhere to truth. Mockery is always exaggerated and bloated, and often taken out of context and not true to the facts. If it was, there would be no mockery.

>>4435263
And what exactly would give you the right to own them?

>>4435283
What wouldn't? You haven't provided a valid argument for that yet.

>>4435286
Your argument is flawed, you have to provide proof for why you have any right to own slaves. I'm under no obligation to disprove a claim made by someone else.

>>4435299
>you're wrong because I say you are

>>4435313
>Not understanding

If your going to claim you have any right to own slaves, the burden of proof is on you. You need to be the one to provide the argument FOR it.

>>4435071
He looks like a less hardcore Diogenes.

7/10 would fuck around with.

>>4434948
This.

But really anon, uneducated Atheist trolls will be uneducated Atheist trolls no matter what you post on 4chan. If this shit bothers you so much become a theologian or biblical studies professor or something.

>>4435190

It's not a parody if it's just pulling random crap out of thin air. Where's the humour in that?
I'm atheist as fuck but this book is just stupid. Maybe you should grow a backbone and deal with the fact that some people simply don't find it funny and are interested in discussing the book's failings.

>>4433649
Showing Jesus striking down anyone but white people would be racist and insensitive. Depicting him as the popular black Jesus would be a hate crime.

>>4433599
>>4433578
>>4433614
>>4435071

I don't really know anything about the bible, but nothing seems awkward or weird about these, they're pretty straightforward stories.
My only real acquaintance with the bible was one time at camp with friends, reading some long ass, hilarious list of Seinfeld-esque rules as to when incest is and isn't okay. So if these are the best awkward moments the author can find, I doubt he's tying very hard.

>>4435626
http://www.cynicalreflections.net/2012/04/nietzsche-anti-christ-not-anti-jesus.html

i've not seen a daring parody like that since i've accidently discovered a comic book making fun of lenin. it appears the baptist authorities have their bible belt in a comparably tight grip.

>>4435742
>uneducated
hey, at least they've read the bible. as to being pissed off, sorry, that the praise of the power of the christian clergy. that's the religion of hitler. what good can be in the religion of hitler?

>>4433524
>black slaves
But it would be Jews keeping other semitic tribes slaves if anything?

/lit/ just wants to restrict your view of the world a bit and tell what you should find funny and what not, is all.

>>4435913
Yes, but nobody reading this book would care about that. Doing this lets you paint Christians as the racist evil slave owners everyone knows and loves.

>>4435942
>but nobody reading this book would care about that.
Left-leaning Americans would get a fucking aneurysm if they saw one of their own portraying Jews in a negative fashion.

>>4435041
I think the villagers knew that Lot's daughters weren't virgins and called him out on his shit

>>4434948
>this is a typical use of KJV language/translation to make the Bible seem "archaic" or from a time when people didn't understand biology or weren't enlightened enough to make stupid books like this
So why is KJV recommended as a general bible in bible recommendation threads continuously and above both ecumenical or catholic bibles put together by modern scholars in the last 100 years?

And why are modern bibles recommended usually US protestant tripe?

>>4435117
What would Christianity be without disgusting gay stonings?

One's a joke the other's a murder. Hmmm