/lit/ - Literature

Hey bro I'm dirt poor and wondering if you could give me some advice?

i work at staples

web designer

>>4390753
I dont know why, but Im imaging you living in a country with ~9k people.

I'm a poor server with but I have to quit and move back with my friends family so I can get back on my feet. I'll be helping them with their businesses now. They own a production company and a care home.

>>4391169
what kind of advice? i have to promote that im not self-made, i had a very good starting point. My first business was valued at around 5500 USD and ive made 2000 USD clear profit of it in a month after the payment (5500 USD) went through. i ship things from Asia to North America/Europe nowadays.

>>4391252
8.5million circa

>>4391323
i did not understad that

Is it safe to say that /lit/ is the richest board?

>>4391353
/sci/

because any job i want, 350k starting

>>4391353
not likely. Probably /g/

>>4390753

i trade your mum m8

>>4391353
>a bunch of stupid english majors
>not starbucks minimum wage losers

>>4391364
was just about to say this, or maybe /k/

Guns are expensive

>>4391364
>>4391368
/sci/ is filled with college students. Possibly /g/, but I feel like that is just a bunch of kids that spend all their money on tech products, too.

>>4391378
buying expensive shit means you're just stupid more often than rich

NEET here.

I dropped college, lost my job and I'm scaried as fuck for my future now. 2014, h-here I go.

>>4391374
Does anyone here actually have a degree in English?

And if so, what the fuck were you thinking?

>>4391398

Yes

Thinking I'm not American lel

>>4391398
>And if so, what the fuck were you thinking?

Congratulations on making one of the most trite and uninteresting comments of 2013. Let me guess, you hear STEM is a good field to get into? Thanks for the update, dipshit.

Software analyst, I make 75k/yr + bonuses.
It's ok. It gives me enough money to not give a shit about money, which is nice.

>>4391401
how are you employed? do you enjoy your job? do you have enough spare time?

>>4391397
which college? what were you getting degree at? why did you dropped out of it?


I, OP personally went to Law school, i quit it after 1 and 1/2 because i was travelling too much (each week one 14 hour flight there and back)

>>4391418
That wasn't a comment, it was a question. One which you failed to answer.

And also, I didn't go to college. Not many poor cubans have.

>>4391419
That is not enough money to not give a shit about money.

>>4391419

Is your job hard?

I am planning on studying computer science because I want to lower my risks of not having a job and one that doesn't pay well once I finish school...

>>4391437
how could that possibly not be enough.

>>4391453

He probably lives in a city where the cost of living is very expensive.

Or if you add things like children to take care of things can get pretty expensive but in general I think 75k/yr + bonuses is good enough in most cities in USA.

>>4391398
English major isn't really that bad when it comes to employment. If you have like four tiers, its in the second lowest. The tiers are
> Top (Law, Medice, whatever that is in high demand now)
> High (STEM)
> Mediocre (English, Politics, Journalism, other qualitive degrees with some "real life" applications)
> Low (Very specific fields with little application in job life IE anthropology, Medieval church music, Finnish studies)

>>4391453
Paying for coffee with a hundred dollar bill every morning because you don't carry anything less in your pocket is not giving a shit about money. Can you do that with your salary?

>>4390753
Software Development Engineer

I'm a service team captain at a snoody catering joint. First job in catering but I got promoted fast by not being a total mongoloid like the rest of the servers. They also all get butthurt that I'm twenty+ years younger than all of them.

>>4391467
I would just pay with my debit card. Who carries cash in 2013?

>>4391466
STEM is in high demand right now, though.

And also, most of the people with those specific degrees aren't planning on getting 'jobs', just studying.

>tfw part of the 1%
feels neutral

>>4391484
People who don't give a shit about money.

>>4391459
The worst cities in the USA.

/trv/ is the richest board fags

If I study computer science am I doing it right if my goal is to make decent money?

>>4391506
yeah

>>4391498

I think you are being delusional:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States

I am a crop farmer, enjoying creative writing, playing piano, child rearing, and keeping my household on its feet. Sometimes the level of pretentiousness can be a bit overbearing here on /lit, but it seems fitting for the creative types that frequent here. The dichotomy of being both a laborer/functional type and a creator/intellectual type can be somewhat a demanding challenge at times, yet rewarding just the same. Having different parts of our personalities and also allowing for extremes of any archetypal example is something we have to deal with as humans. I'm just glad to be able to hear input and share my own with people that sometimes struggle with the different prerogatives in day to day life. Enjoying comparisons of our explorations while keeping a sense of indifference to other peoples personal choices that stand different to your own. lets see how /b is doing with that, shall we? :) (please excuse my grammar and punctuation, i'm just a simple farmer type.)

>>4391517
>urban kid's first rural fantasy

>>4391489
> STEM is in high demand right now, though.
Nah STEM is so common that it can't really be in high demand. It has stable demand, but nothing like "if you get a degree from this, you will be tried to be recruited before you graduate" some specific fields do in specific areas such as forestry in Finland.

>>4391524
>2nd year cs
>already got a part time web developer internship
>3rd year full time placement year as software dev
idk m8, it's looking p good to me

>>4391493
People who don't give a shit about money are not the sorts to go on the internet and brag about their salary and how they throw 100 bills around in coffee shops, fella.

>>4391524

STEM's demand is that it's the most practically applicable to the demands of economy right?

For example there's lots of systems that need to be maintained by engineers and technologists because they will understand them well right?

>>4391540
> STEM's demand is that it's the most practically applicable to the demands of economy right?
Well, not really for all degrees. S especially tends to be very, very quantitive heavy when the economy wants balance of qualitative/quantative skills often weighting the latter heavier. Engineers have a lot of systems and stuff to maintain, yes.

STEM is only a big thing in US and Canada. In Finland, for example, Science is not a very demanded/well paid field.

>>4391524
No, see, that's the thing. It's in high demand so tons of people are filling up the market. In 20 years, they'll be overstuffed and demand will plummet as new graduates in anything except CS struggle to find a job.

>>4391555

>demand will plummet as new graduates in anything except CS struggle to find a job.

why CS?

Also people need to understand that when 5 (arbitrary number) people go to university, the 4 that do not study science means that the one that does has an increased demand.(assuming his/her knowledge is valuable to someone or something)

So as long as people keep studying art and business (fields of study that are in less demand I believe) STEM graduates will continue to be in demand.

it's funny because art students have literally never been in demand

>>4391521
what do you mean by that?

>>4391598
that you're an urban kid who fantasies about being a retarded crop farmer

window cleaner, $35/hr. I'm sad to not see more proletarians here

>>4391590
Because computers are a new thing, and the entire technology, and therefore job field, has been rapidly expanding since the beginning, and doesn't show any sign of letting up. More jobs will be needed, and new jobs will be needed.

In half a century, pretty much every job will directly involve computers.

>>4391534
I'm not one of the people I'm describing, if that's what you're implying.

I AM A GRADUATE RECRUIT AT THE CIVIL SERVICE

>>4391611
SORRY, MY CAPS LOCK IS BROKEN (WHY I'M TYPING LIKE THIS)

>>4391616
disable it from screen keyboard

>>4391590
> Also people need to understand that when 5 (arbitrary number) people go to university, the 4 that do not study science
But STEM gets something like 40-50% of all students.

>>4391590
>the 4 that do not study science means that the one that does has an increased demand
this is wrong, there is only a limited number of positions to allocate any number of graduates

if there are 100 total STEM positions which are all covered, and 100000 non-STEM positions, it won't matter how little STEM graduate number is, those 100 positions are still covered

Currently I'm writing for a magazine and working at a web design company doing copywriting. I am also in school finishing undergrad full time. Such a full schedule does not leave much time for relaxing but the hard work will pay of later in my career. Hoping to go into advertising since it is dominated by women. They are attractive and I have good rapport with most of them.

>>4391632
lol. 32% tops.

I'm an actuary

>>4391604
This is my family's 80th year farming approx. 60 milesfrom the nearest city. I have a college education in Agriculture/Soil Science. Maybe I don't give myself credit but i feel my writing level isn't up to par with the people on /lit so I covered for my lack of abilities. Thinking I just made up the story of my life kinda confuses me though. Im a bit upset about your allegations but I wouldn't mind hearing about your career/life objectives if you wish to share. Just want you to know my life isn't just a fantasy.

>>4390753
lit PhD student: no guaranteed job at the end, but 5 years of fellowship funding to read books=can't complain!

Also, all this STEM stuff: if you get an English major and have a hard time finding a job, teach in a high school. Heck, if you get ANY college degree, chances are you're doing okay economically and will be employed stably within 5 years. There shouldn't be such competition between STEM and the humanities. Honestly, I wish it were more possible to study both seriously, since sometimes I think more STEM courses would have helped me tons. Maybe if society devoted more resources to education and universities were cheaper and more accessible, we could all go to school for 5-7 and have a more balanced program of study.

>>4391689
Not that guy, but ignore the haters. People like to jump to conclusions

>>4391437
it is if you're single in the Midwest

>>4391701
Thank you, I certainly just got trolled. I definitely overshared to the point where it wasn't quite fitting for the thread. Realizing our usual thought processes aren't always the most rounded efforts seems like an ongoing battle for me. kinda like, "Head down a hallway, opening doors to a whole different set of corridors" ...something along those lines.

>>4391752
fuck off already

>>4391632

Is this propaganda they feed humanities majors?

I'm in the army. I mainly read classical stuff and people think I'm eccentric as fuck because of it. Though I managed to introduce a couple of people to Bret Easton Ellis (it's a guilty pleasure of mine) so there's that I guess.

>>4391860
Where? Do you have a lot of time to read?

>>4391872
UK, and probably not much more or less time than most people normally, though there are long periods of leave where I have sweet fuck all to do, so I read a lot then.

I'm still studying, chemical engineering. I started kind of late, at 23 (It's more common where I live than it must be in the anglo world to start at a good university at such age, but it's still kind of late)

From 17 to 22 I basically did a bunch of shit jobs (often being the only person around with a proper high school diploma, from a private school above all) lived alone and moved cities etc.

I'm not particularly dumb, but I didn't want to study or have a decent job at all. I'd probably stay on that track until I'm 30 if I could, but starting college at 30 could cost me a lot of opportunities and I want to have some confort later in life.

The highest I was *ever* paid was probably something like 500 american dollars a month, when converted. And we pay more taxes than you guys.

I work at a company that sells, repairs and sets up all kinds of stuff for boats.

VHF radios, SSB radios, Sonar, Radars, GPS, TV, Internet and loads of shit.


Pretty fun, it's also helping me alot with school.

The direct translation for my degree would be Electron Engineer(not electronic engineer).

It's alot like an electrician.
Just dealing with smaller and "smarter" stuff.

Studying cognitive neuroscience. 4yrs till PhD. Work as a barista. I dont want money to be an issue, but it probably will be. Lol.

If you're not NEET you're a pleb.

I spent 2 years in a prelaw program before becoming a disillusioned vagabond. I spent the next couple of years living with my girlfriend at her university and when that ended I just crashed with my friends. I didnt settle on a career until I had to return home cause of my dad dying. I became an emt shortly after, but for some reason it still doesn't quite feel like I'm on any sort of official career path.

In and out of temporary, minimum wage jobs. Currently Front of House staff in a theatre. I'm not professionally ambitious, so I'm content doing these kind of jobs, providing they pay the rent, are relatively comfortable, and not too degrading. Not working full time either, so I have plenty of time to read, make music, etc.

After I received my illuminati-secrets manuscript, my luck changed so completely my friends asked me if I had some kind of guardian angel looking after me. What came over me seemed almost magical, supernatural.

Because of these secrets, I was able to quit my job and start an incredibly successful business that grew into a multi-million-dollar company.

The illuminati secrets unlocked other incredible talents within me as well, talents I never knew I had. For example, my memory immediately improved, dramatically. I suddenly possessed a photographic memory.

High school English and Psychology teacher. I have my Masters, and I was considering a PhD, but the Humanities seem doomed when it comes to professorships. Will probably teach a few more years before I have the guts to quit and take the risk of making writing and painting my full time job.

Primary school teacher in a rough inner city Northern school (UK). Don't complain about pay, it's pensions and higher work demands that are the problem. That said, it's a rewarding job in that it gives my life a fucking meaning and purpose.

>>4392089
In your Psychology class, do you see any students you suspect of having mental disorders?

>>4391986
Doesnt your universitiy offer you to stay there and work for them ?

>Working at starbucks for 8.25$ an hour
>Have a coffee master apron a-at least I got that

Currently studying Information Security and doing in general nefarious shit.
Not the funnest thing but it might make em some money in the long run.
Thinking about working freelance work with my girlfriends dad and making some side money to supplement my starfucks shit tier pay check.

Pretty much only make enough to buy cigarettes, take my girlfriend out to eat and buy books.

Should I drop out, start my own business and or travel around making money off a travel blog or do something un-interesting like sit around working an office job (or worse) working at starbucks.

Can't decide if an IT job is worth it if I wont have much time to do what I really like to do. Money is money but that doesn't equal life experiences

>>4391353
>English majors
>Rich
>Not just Gen-Y yuppies going into insurmountable credit card debt

>>4391364
It's 300K, bro. And only if you're in maths (kek)

>>4391368
>>4391383
I'd say /prog/ (text based /g/) though /g/ has quite a few programmers anyways, so I'd say it probably takes the cake (/sci/ majors are deluded and usually most jobs cap for them at 120K, and that's only after years of work).

If we had a /bis/ board, it would be full of poorfags, you know it would.

>>4391418
>Buttmad English major

>>4391419
I hear happiness peaks at 70-80K and after that it's all about job satisfaction.

>>4391422
Why the hell were you flying 14 hours a week to school? Would it not be cheaper to just live there?

>>4391466
>Law majors
>In high demand
lol.

>>4391472
>Mongoloid
So what it was like racial preferences?

>>4391492
>tfw you will never be a part of the bourgeoisie having all the time in the world to philosophize and study literature at the expense of the pro/lit/tariat.

>>4391506
no

>>4391552
>science not in demand in Finland
This must be why they're doing so much better than us, the population isn't full of STEM fags who just expect life to be "input value X, receive value Y"

>>4391591
They used to be. But then all college students were. My grand-dad told me a story about how when he was going to law school, he hitch-hiked a ride to get across the country and ended up talking to an engineer who had literally had his career chosen for him by walking in the door and telling the applications office that he liked math.

>>4391606
>$35 for cleaning windows
>Proletariat
What

>>4391701
>Haters
Is this 2011?

>>4391753
This. Do this.

>>4391906
Where I live 500 dollars a month doesn't even warrant paying income tax.

>>4392234
Just remember; minimum wage jobs are met for foot in the door. You want to work on skills you have or reinvest that money into new skills (or even a business) so you can either move up in the company or transfer to another one at a higher paid position.

>>4392288
>Law majors
>In high demand
Law majors might not be, but actual lawyers who went to good law schools are doing okay. I'm a law student with a job lined up for next year.

i always wanted to be a loser writer. like bradley cooper's character in limitless before nzt.
but for now i'm just a loser

>>4392348
>for now
>not for always

>>4392198
Possibly. I'm doing undergrad in Brisbane Australia and post-grad in Berlin. Id on't really give a shit where I work, as long as I get to look at some brains

>>4392333
My dad is a lawyer. He works with one other lawyer in a practice (they've both been practicing for about 25 years). You don't even want to know what his turnover rate is for paralegals.

Field is saturated as fuck.

>>4392452
I'm at a good law school. I don't know anyone in my class who won't have a job next year. For most, including myself, that job will be $160k starting plus bonus. Field is fine for graduates of good law schools (read: top 10 minimum). Saturation is always a question of degrees.

right now im CS but im thinking of changing to CS & Math double major.

i like the classes but i dont think i care too much about its real-world applications

am i fugged?

>>4392149
Fucking of course, I teach teenagers. It's mental disorder city. I subtly discuss developmental issues with people in "their age group." It's hilarious that I'll go over egocentricism and personal fables with them and the kids who are completely self-absorbed don't recognize their own relation to it. I've always been pretty aware in the intraspective department, and it amazes me to be teaching such bright kids who are so unaware of their own natures. I guess many will improve over time though... it's how we roll as a species.

>>4392545
Definitely think this out. I went into Graphic Design and realized my senior year how I really did not want to work by a computer making "art" to suit other people all day long. If you don't want to do the sort of work that degree will earn, change now.

>>4392653
yeah i think thats why im changing to math&cs because i initially wanted to be a math teacher of some sort, and CS and math go hand in hand

so i guess this way i can always fallback on math if i realize CS and programming isnt for me

what did you end up changing ur major 2?

>>4392666
I stuck it out because it was so late in my college career and I was on an honors scholarship, but later I got my alt. certification to be a high school teacher. I'm the English teacher that posted earlier in the thread. I have certification in a few areas, Art the easiest to get, but I'm yet to teach under my undergrad area of study.

>>4390753
I'm a freshman in college, but I work a 12.50/hr job at school and a minimum wage at home to make some cash and pass the time. I plan on studying history and teaching/writing. I am aware of the risks inherent in studying the humanities, but I am confident that it is the field that I will thrive in.

The odd thing is that the school that I am a student at has such a huge CS startup culture that I am getting sucked in that direction. I know it's a weird thing, but I may actually consider doing some kind of CS minor, along with a history major. I pulled enough credits from high school, and history is an easy enough major to allow some wiggle room.

Anyway, feel free to call me naive for choosing history. I'm used to it.

>>4392698
Enjoy being a high school teacher. I love History, but that's likely your future path.

>>4390753
I work as an electrician, its not the best paying but we build a lot of schools, police stations, and libraries so I feel like somehow I am helping society and thats good enough for me.

I'm about to graduate from a good CS program. Haven't started looking for a full-time job yet but internships have been easy enough to come by. I've had three of them, all paid. Would have studied /phil/ or /lit/ but I don't have any rich parents to fall back on. I'm not complaining though.

>>4392545
If you enjoy Math, then yes. Otherwise, CS will suffice for many career paths. The distinction between the two programs is not significant enough for an undergraduate degree. Any job requiring a more advanced understanding of mathematics will probably also require a graduate degree.

>>4392706
That's a fine life for me. I went to a boarding school, so I can became better acquainted with teachers than most. I know the life, it suits me well.

I would be more than happy to teach either at my school or another boarding school, which would still give me the time to study and write. Sounds like the grail life to me