/lit/ - Literature

b/c its boring

If I wanted to practice an ironic religion, I'd just become a scientologist.

>>4389698

Because I'm into pseudo-occult sciences made by new age faggots.

>>4389698
Why should I?

>>4389708

*not

But I am, anon. At least from an academic perspective. I don't believe any of their theories, but the history and connections of everything from ancient Greek number societies to modern sacrificial cults is really interesting.

nazis pls go

i did, once. then i realised it's made up of the same invented nonsense as any other system of thought.

dealbreaker was the time i ran into a fundamentalist Alexandrian pagan who accused me of being "scum" because i was a Protean, and we would steal rituals from anyone. including Alexandrians.

I've been trying to get into decadent stuff. What do you recommend?

Fuck you Baphomet

because they are unncesarily complex systems of bullshit

>>4389698
Because it's silly. I don't want to waste the time.

I enjoy satanism and occultism purely as a historical (and aesthetical) interest, and not as a religion.

>>4389992
this

>>4389713
Academia is pretty much a kabbalistic cult these days, at least the Humanities side. The STEM side is just uptight nerds thinking that they're intellectually superior.

Also, this is a literature board. Literature is steeped in the occult. If you embrace literature you aren't that far off embracing the occult.
Shakespeare is a blatant example of an occultist. William Blake is a blatant example of a gnostic. Two examples, but there are countless. Yeats was a little pagan sorcerer. There are far fewer good writers that aren't occult than there are. The vast majority of them are.

>>4389992
>>4389775
You two are extremely naive. This kind of thing shouldn't be messed around with. It's dangerous.

>>4390138
Keep posting, your exotic fancies and theories are beautiful.

>>4390145
I don't agree with... about anything you're saying, but at least you have an interesting opinion and seem to be more well-read than most of lit. You should really read The Recognitions by William Gaddis, while he wasn't so spiritual as to say the corruption and distortion he saw everywhere (art, capitalism, history) was a result of occultism, he forthrightly makes a lot of religious and occult connections and everything and deals with how to live an honest life in such a world.

I think you'd be surprised, because it's filled to the brim with occult references but it's struggling against it, not being a part of it. Gaddis was a devout Protestant, I think.

>>4390164
It's also based off the Clementine Recognitions

language is inherently occult in itself. look to the biblical creation myth. it is all about the formation of language and how it separated us from god. the original sin we carry forward is language.

>>4390154
I'm exhaused m8. I literally spent all of yesterday doing it.

Here are some threads I've posted in >>4385250 >>4388119
and these posts >>4381631
>>4383974

>>4390178
here's a /mu/ I made (it's just me talking to myself)
>>42662717

Get there before it 404s. It's more of my "wacko" theory that you seem to enjoy.

>>4390185
>>>/mu/42662717

>>4390176

Wasn't Eve's eating of the knowledge of Good and Evil that which lead her and Adam to know their nakedness, to be able to distinguish between things? So, following from that, isn't language, our system of labelling and distinguishing things, the very thing that separates us from God (ironically, because it is God's [God is known as the Word, I imagine, because no word can define Him, so he is known as The Word, or all words and none simultaneously], and humans do not have the capacity to distinguish between things whilst retaining the concept of the whole thing i.e. God?)

This puts the fall into the context of the fallibility of human knowledge, and how language and knowledge drives us from God. This also seems to me to highlight the importance of faith over reason, however tempting human reason may be.

And, to elaborate a little further, considering God created the Heavens and the Earth with His word, and is known Himself as the Word, doesn't that put Original Sin in the context of the grave misuse of the divine principle of God i.e. language?

>>4389698
I'm not going to embrace foolishness.

>>4390150
A demon isn't going to possess them, dumbass.

Yeats actually made it very easy for us to tell that he was a sorcerer because he wrote this book.

http://www.yeatsvision.com/Yeats.html

"A Vision"

see for yourself

This prose work of his is highly occult also. http://www.gutenberg.org/files/5794/5794-h/5794-h.htm

Here's a poem of his

Sailing To Byzantium

I
That is no country for old men. The young
In one another's arms, birds in the trees
---Those dying generations---at their song,
The salmon-falls, the mackerel-crowded seas,
Fish, flesh, or fowl commend all summer long
Whatever is begotten, born, and dies.
Caught in that sensual music all neglect
Monuments of unaging intellect.

II
An aged man is but a paltry thing,
A tattered coat upon a stick, unless
Soul clap its hands and sing, and louder sing
For every tatter in its mortal dress,
Nor is there singing school but studying
Monuments of its own magnificence;
And therefore I have sailed the seas and come
To the holy city of Byzantium.

III
O sages standing in God's holy fire
As in the gold mosaic of a wall,
Come from the holy fire, perne in a gyre,
And be the singing-masters of my soul.
Consume my heart away; sick with desire
And fastened to a dying animal
It knows not what it is; and gather me
Into the artifice of eternity.

IV
Once out of nature I shall never take
My bodily form from any natural thing,
But such a form as Grecian goldsmiths make
Of hammered gold and gold enamelling
To keep a drowsy Emperor awake;
Or set upon a golden bough to sing
To lords and ladies of Byzantium
Of what is past, or passing, or to come.

>>4390176
This isn't far off the mark at all. I wouldn't say that is is occult, just that language has a built-in spiritual power, not necessarily occult but very susceptible to it.

"Our father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name".

"thy name"

the names in and of themselves are of significance.
the old Hebrew has loads of different names for God.
names / words have always been an important part of rituals / spells / incantations.

>>4390205
also, in gnosticism and neoplatonism and the like the names themselves take on a kind of super-reality.
Like, the names themselves are the embodiment of a spirit.

>>4390197
I love how the secular types boast about skepticism but when it comes to spirits they are certain that they don't exist.

>>4390202
Uhh.. dude? Sailing to Byzantium has to do with his desire to be made an immortalised work of art, nothing to do with occultism. It's to do with the transience of man.

>>4390191
Your instincts are good.
Language is an important part of separation from God in the form of blasphemy.
Language itself, however, is not separation from God. Indeed, if you are gnostic language pretty much IS God. They take "God's Word" in quite a literal sense.

>And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

Language is an important part of God's being, or how we understand God in the very least.

>>4390205

yes, i as actually just thinking i had misused the word occult in my decription. instead, perhaps it would be more accurate to consider it as one powerful aspect of the divine. after all, god is the word, the logos, language is divine. but, if you are the other guy that linked to his other posts as i suspect, then as you said, to worship one aspect of the divine is to be led astray, and so, as humans depend more and more on language, language that with its infinite doling out of descriptions to all things knowable and unknowable, we chase the threads of a material god, and to do this is to be led away from god.

>>4390214
All works of art have a double meaning. Its a matter of interpretation.

>Written in 1926 (when Yeats was 60 or 61), "Sailing to Byzantium" is Yeats's definitive statement about the agony of old age and the imaginative and spiritual work required to remain a vital individual even when the heart is "fastened to a dying animal" (the body). Yeats's solution is to leave the country of the young and travel to Byzantium, where the sages in the city's famous gold mosaics could become the "singing-masters" of his soul. He hopes the sages will appear in fire and take him away from his body into an existence outside time, where, like a great work of art, he could exist in "the artifice of eternity." In the final stanza of the poem, he declares that once he is out of his body he will never again appear in the form of a natural thing; rather, he will become a golden bird, sitting on a golden tree, singing of the past ("what is past"), the present (that which is "passing"), and the future (that which is "to come").

>I am trying to write about the state of my soul, for it is right for an old man to make his soul, and some of my thoughts about that subject I have put into a poem called 'Sailing to Byzantium'. When Irishmen were illuminating the Book of Kells, and making the jeweled croziers in the National Museum, Byzantium was the centre of European civilization and the source of its spiritual philosophy, so I symbolize the search for the spiritual life by a journey to that city.[1]

From Wikipedia.

>>4390217
>language is divine

See, that is gnosticism. You have to tread very carefully in these matters.
Language is not divine. God is divine. Language can be a pointer to the divine . . . it can also be a pointer to the abominable.

>>4390219
Oh, it's this moron who is obsessed with his YouTube tier conspiracies. Take it from an Irish person who has visited pretty much every major monument of Yeats' life and work, STB has absolutely nothing to do with Satan or the occult or whatever shit you are currently feasting upon in your cavernous mind.

>>4390223

again, perhaps i misspoke, but i feel the more i misspeak the closer i get, and the more in confirms my idea that the realm of language that leads in all directions and nowhere at once, is something sacred and something to be wary of, or at least, to know its limits. but i also believe that limits cannot be found without pushing them.

so, whilst i may sound pantheistic at times or heretical, in the end i always tend to draw myself back to god, to forget all i know, and to trust in god. it is a dangerous game, i know, but i feel compelled to play it.

for what's it is worth i am a very active student of catholicism, something which i intend to explore amongst all of its opposites, because i believe a stick has two ends, but it is still a stick.

>>4390224
>YouTube tier conspiracies

so much this

>>4390224
Read this book
>>4390202
He has a lot to do with the occult.
His poetry is littered with Celtic magic.

> STB has absolutely nothing to do with Satan or the occult

I like the poem in a way, it's pretty. I didn't post that particular poem because I thought it was particularly occult, I just wanted to post a poem o fhis.

Those two other works that I linked to are really occult.

>>4390233
Those YouTube conspiracies aren't entirely vapid.
You should stop being a sneering snob and humble yourself. You'll learn more that way.

>>4390241
I have read that book, I have read that book as surely as you haven't. It isn't about sorcery, witchcraft, alchemy or any other kind of shit that flits around in your mind to any degree. It is about Eastern Mysticism which Yeats imbued in his work time after time.

And his love for "Celtic magic" was part of his desire to spark the Irish literary revival, not an actual desire to be a fucking sorcerer, you blithering tool.

>>4390246
Actually yes, they are. Would you like to provide us of a zoomed in picture of Yeats pupils? Maybe a photo of him shaking someone's hand in an odd way? That would convert me on the spot. I'd roll right in behind you and boycott pop music, or whatever it is basket case morons like you do with their time.

Actually, these are the prettiest Yeats poems

I DREAMED that I stood in a valley, and amid sighs,
For happy lovers passed two by two where I stood;
And I dreamed my lost love came stealthily out of the wood
With her cloud-pale eyelids falling on dream-dimmed eyes:
I cried in my dream ‘O women bid the young men lay 5
‘Their heads on your knees, and drown their eyes with your hair,
‘Or remembering hers they will find no other face fair
‘Till all the valleys of the world have been withered away.’

----

HAD I the heavens’ embroidered cloths,
Enwrought with golden and silver light,
The blue and the dim and the dark cloths
Of night and light and the half light,
I would spread the cloths under your feet: 5
But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
I have spread my dreams under your feet;
Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.

---

Pure woman worship, "Eternal Feminine" cult that goes back at least as far as Dante and Chaucer. Pretty though, extremely pretty.
Here's an extremely pretty Chaucer poem.

Your two great eyes will slay me suddenly;
Their beauty shakes me who was once serene;
Straight through my heart the wound is quick and keen.

Only your word will heal the injury
To my hurt heart, while yet the wound is clean -
Your two great eyes will slay me suddenly;
Their beauty shakes me who was once serene.

Upon my word, I tell you faithfully
Through life and after death you are my queen;
For with my death the whole truth shall be seen.
Your two great eyes will slay me suddenly;
Their beauty shakes me who was once serene;
Straight through my heart the wound is quick and keen.

---

Same kind of woman worship. The Eternal Feminine cult is actually really popular today. People naively call it "Romance", but it's really about worshipping the woman as an idol, as an embodiment of the divine.

>>4390251
Typical Irishman hahahahhaha

Hang up your boxing gloves m8.

>>4390253
>Same kind of woman worship. The Eternal Feminine cult is actually really popular today. People naively call it "Romance", but it's really about worshipping the woman as an idol, as an embodiment of the divine.

You're some kind of troll, aren't you?

>>4390254
A beautiful climbdown. Well, at least you window-licking idiots know when you know nothing about the subject at hand. Yet you still post on here.. odd.

>>4390255
No. Every cultural phenomenon has a spiritual explanation. It's a matter of interpretation.

>>4390257
I can't speak to a raging bull. You have more interest in insulting me than anything else.

Seriously guys, listen to the song of this beautiful witch. It's mystical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8Ymd-OCucs

>>4390255
He's legit and precious. If you read his posts he's actually consistent inside his own bizarre universe, where magic is real and dark evil forces are behind anything mainstream he's like a true spiritual hipster.

I know I come across as a complete nutter. It's because I'm a novice to this subject and so I haven't figured how to explain it to the unitiated without coming across as mentally defective.
I assure you that I'm a quite functional human being.

>>4390264
>He's legit and precious.

>>4390266
>I assure you that I'm a quite functional human being

a strange claim coming from someone that claims lorde is a witch

>>4390259
Mhm. And you have more interest in attributing bizarre theories and cults to Yeats' work than actually reading his work.

Let me say it again, it's a matter of interpretation. See, you can interpret that song of "Lorde's" as just being a trite pop-song marketed at young white girls and boys to make money. That's a perfectly valid interpretation.
Now, when I say that it's a kind of spell or incantation and that the woman has occult power - that is a perfectly valid interpretation also. Even if you think it has no basis in reality whatsoever, the interpretation still WORKS, it is internally consistent. It then comes down to a matter of dogma, of worldview. Whether or not you think the world is made entirely of material or whether you permit the existence of spirit. It wasn't that long ago that I was a staunch materialist myself - that's the education that I received. As I said, I'm a novice here.

>>4390272
I think the song was actually written by Jesus H. Christ himself, passed down through the spiritual pipeline to Lorde, appeared before her on a sacred stone tablet, and then sang itself to her. This theory is also perfectly internally consistent. And I am not a lunatic.

>>4390271
I'm not insulting his poetry or his intellect. He's a great poet. Most great poets just happen to be great magicians as well.

Here is a quote from a work of Flaubert's, a speech that he attributes to the character "satan"

>I must be everywhere. The precious metals flow, the diamonds glitter, and men's names resound at my command. I whisper in the ears of women, of poets, and of statesmen, words of love, of glory, of ambition. With Messalina and Nero, at Paris and at Babylon, within the self-same moment do I dwell. Let a new island be discovered, I fly to it ere man can set foot there; though it be but a rock encircled by the sea, I am there in advance of men who will dispute for its possession. I lounge, at the same instant, on a courtesan's couch and on the perfumed beds of emperors. Hatred and envy, pride and wrath, pour from my lips in simultaneous utterance. By night and day I work. While men ate burning Christians, I luxuriate voluptuously in baths perfumed with roses; I race in chariots; yield to deep despair; or boast aloud in pride.

>I whisper in the ears of women, of poets, and of statesmen, words of love, of glory, of ambition.

It's a matter of interpretation. The materialist interpretation is that these people are just using their biological faculties to the fullest extent in order to acheive their worldly aims (like being a great artist or statesmen), and the power that they have is called their "talent" (quite a mysterious term I think, but the materialists are fond of the word "talent" as though it were obvious what it meant). The spiritual interpretation is that they are listening to the speech of higher spirits. ALL of our ancestors believed in this kind of thing. It's why the old poets would ask the Muse to sing to them before they began.

>>4390275

disingenuous foolishness. don't debase yourself by mocking what isn't consistent with your own context.

>>4390275
I don't think that is internally consistent, as it doesn't make sense as to why Jesus Christ would behave in such a way. My explanation is internally consistent because spirits would function in the way that I describe if they existed.

See this Flaubert quote >>4390277

Do any of you have experience writing poetry? Do you not experience "visions" and "inspirations"? How do you account for these things? Are they just "connections" that your neurons are making?

>>4390277
Do you believe satan is evil or just the accuser making sure humans are worthy of salvation? Are spirits malevolent?

Homer and Virgil tell us how spirits operate perfectly.

When Achilles restrains his anger towards Agamemmnon it's explained as the influence of the temperate Athena.
When Aeneas falls in love with Dido it's explained as the influence of the gorgeous Cupid.

"Hear, all ye Trojan, all ye Grecian bands,
What my soul prompts, and what some god commands.
Great Jove, averse our warfare to compose,
O'erwhelms the nations with new toils and woes;
War with a fiercer tide once more returns,
Till Ilion falls, or till yon navy burns.
You then, O princes of the Greeks! appear;
'Tis Hector speaks, and calls the gods to hear:
From all your troops select the boldest knight,
And him, the boldest, Hector dares to fight.
Here if I fall, by chance of battle slain,
Be his my spoil, and his these arms remain;
But let my body, to my friends return'd,
By Trojan hands and Trojan flames be burn'd.
And if Apollo, in whose aid I trust,
Shall stretch your daring champion in the dust;
If mine the glory to despoil the foe;
On Phoebus' temple I'll his arms bestow:
The breathless carcase to your navy sent,
Greece on the shore shall raise a monument;
Which when some future mariner surveys,
Wash'd by broad Hellespont's resounding seas,
Thus shall he say, 'A valiant Greek lies there,
By Hector slain, the mighty man of war,'
The stone shall tell your vanquish'd hero's name.
And distant ages learn the victor's fame."

>What my soul prompts, and what some god commands.
>and what some god commands.

This is the true nature of poetry and song.

>>4390286
>Are they just "connections" that your neurons are making?

Yes but that doesn't make it less significant or spiritual on the subjective level.

>>4390286
Interestingly, there are numerous cases where belief in spirits or Gods with positive or negative effects has a huge placebo effect on creative artists who believe their work is supported or aided by an external force.

>>4390288
Good question. I prefer the latter to the former. I don't believe in any eternal war against good and evil. I do believe that Satan himself is evil in that he is a fallen angel, a rebel against God. However, he is still within God's control. God uses Satan as the accuser. However, it would be heretical to say that God tempts people, even through Satan. What happens is that man's own flesh causes temptations, and then Satan comes in as the accuser in order to darken man's mind and spirit and get him to believe that he is hopeless and lost, and that there is no God.

>>4390288
Jesus is the true prince of evil. Satan will show us the truth in time.

>>4390292
>on the subjective level.

I love you little ones that talk about "subjectivity", because that was me a year ago.
What you call subjectivity is nothing more than a fancy word for spirit. You should stop denying it.

>>4390293
Absolutely, that's why so many artists dabble in the occult. There are too many examples to list, but here's a recent example of an actor admitting to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfaG6dWnHJI&t=16m20s

>>4390299
Note that I was not supporting your belief in these things nor was I suggesting that these "beings" actually had an effect on the artists' work. What I am saying, as has been the case for numerous sportsmen as well, is that the mere belief inspires a kind of placebo effect in the person to inspire their performance and motivation.

>>4390293
Here's a beautiful quote from Kierkegaard on Napoleon.
He define genius, and he is absolutely right that genius is not about IQ, it is about spirit.

>>4390301
Yes, yes, I know how you explain it away within your materialist framework. Materialists need to stop talking about "the placebo effect" as something trivial. It reveals that spirit exists, that it has real effects.

>>4390303
sorry, here

The genius continually discovers fate, and the more profound the genius, the more profound the discovery of fate. To spiritlessness, this is naturally foolishness, but in actuality it is greatness, because no man is born with the idea of providence, and those who think that one acquires it gradually though education are greatly mistaken, although I do not thereby deny the significance of education. Not until sin is reached is providence posited. Therefore the genius has an enormous struggle to reach providence. If he does not reach it, truly he becomes a subject for the study of fate. The genius is an omnipotent Ansich [in itself] which as such would rock the whole world. For the sake of order, another figure appears along with him, namely fate. Fate is nothing. It is the genius himself who discovers it, and the more profound the genius, the more profoundly he discovers fate, because that figure is merely the anticipation of providence. If he continues to be merely a genius and turns outward, he will accomplish astonishing things; nevertheless, he will always succumb to fate, if not outwardly, so that it is tangible and visible to all, then inwardly. Therefore, a genius-existence is always like a fairy tale if in the deepest sense the genius does not turn inward into himself. The genius is able to do all things, and yet he is dependent upon an insignificance that no one comprehends, an insignificance upon which the genius himself by his omnipotence bestows omnipotent significance. Therefore, a second lieutenant, if he is a genius, is able to become an emperor and change the world, so that there becomes one empire and one emperor. But therefore, too, the army may be drawn up for battle, the conditions for the battle absolutely favorable, and yet in the next moment wasted; a kingdom of heroes may plead that the order for battle be given-but he cannot; he must wait for the fourteenth of June. And why? Because that was the date of the battle of Marengo. So all things may be in readiness, he himself stands before the legions, waiting only for the sun to rise in order to announce the time for the oration that will electrify the soldiers, and the sun may rise more glorious than ever, an inspiring and inflaming sight for all, only not for him, because the sun did not rise as glorious as this at Austerlitz, and only the sun of Austerlitz gives victory and inspiration. Thus, the inexplicable passion with which such a one may often rage against an entirely insignificant man, when otherwise he may show humanity and kindness even toward his enemies. Yes, woe unto the man, woe unto the woman, woe unto the innocent child, woe unto the beast of the field, woe unto the bird whose flight, woe unto the tree whose branch comes in his way at the moment he is to interpret his omen.

Kierkegaard man, such a beautiful writer. He called himself a religious poet. He's might be my favourite poet.

>>4390286

I am a poet and am also greatly interested in the occult.

To me the occult is a vehicle to study the mind, and visit realms I may not be able to without it.

You seem to me superstitious.

>>4390301
That's why material reductionist fedoras need to reevaluate their mechanical worldview placebo doesn't work if you don't have the spirit, that is if you don't believe. No matter the mechanical description of placebo that probably will emerge some day.

>>4390306
that quote is really breathtaking

>>4390304
define spirit already because you've been throwing the word around recklessly for some time now

>>4390303
I have an interesting story for you. True one. As someone who doesn't believe in these things.

My distant relative (relative of a cousin) Tom used to work with Motley Crue. You probably know of them - way back in the day they used to dabble in satanic imagery to improve their bad-boy image. Anyway, Tom used to be close enough to the band and he actually knew Nikki Sixx. Sixx used to go out with a certain Lita Ford, a famous singer of the time of some description, and the two apparently got quite heavy into their Satanic texts.

Now here's the interesting anecdote. Tom recalls one day that he entered Sixx and Ford's home and the two were sat together huddled on the couch. Sixx was white in the face, but a regular drug user to boot. Tom asked them what was wrong, and Sixx replied that they'd been hearing noises in the house, doors had been opening and closing of their own accord, and stuff had been flying around the house. Again, Tom didn't think much of it as the two's main bonding force was heroin, and their opinion couldn't really be trusted because of their severe drug use.

Now, right in front of Tom's eyes, he swears to my cousin, a large steak knife on the table near the couch raised itself up and slowly planted itself into the roof. Tom, according to my cousin, has no history of drug or alcohol abuse and is of sound mind. He insists to this day that he saw it happen.

Spooky, huh?

>>4390311
I probably can't explain it well because my notion of what "spirit" is is intuitive, not mathematical.

Let Aquinas explain
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1.htm

Start with part 50, under the section "The Angels (Spirit)"

>I answer that, There must be some incorporeal creatures. For what is principally intended by God in creatures is good, and this consists in assimilation to God Himself. And the perfect assimilation of an effect to a cause is accomplished when the effect imitates the cause according to that whereby the cause produces the effect; as heat makes heat. Now, God produces the creature by His intellect and will (14, 8; 19, 4). Hence the perfection of the universe requires that there should be intellectual creatures. Now intelligence cannot be the action of a body, nor of any corporeal faculty; for every body is limited to "here" and "now." Hence the perfection of the universe requires the existence of an incorporeal creature.

>The ancients, however, not properly realizing the force of intelligence, and failing to make a proper distinction between sense and intellect, thought that nothing existed in the world but what could be apprehended by sense and imagination. And because bodies alone fall under imagination, they supposed that no being existed except bodies, as the Philosopher observes (Phys. iv, text 52,57). Thence came the error of the Sadducees, who said there was no spirit (Acts 23:8).

>But the very fact that intellect is above sense is a reasonable proof that there are some incorporeal things comprehensible by the intellect alone.

>>4389698
Why should I?

>>4390314
Yep, spooky.

My mother has ghost stories lol, but she says that she dosen't believe they were real and they it was just her mind playing tricks on her.

The band Led Zeppelin also had a lot of weird shit happen to them and the band were blaming it on Jimmy Page's extreme occultism.

I don't have any ghost stories myself. The strangest thing that I've had happen to me is sleep paralysis. My mother had sleep paralysis some time before and she said that while she was paralyzed she heard a demonic voice speaking to her. My mother isn't a superstitious woman at all, she talked about it mockingly as though she didn't really believe it had happened.

>>4390324
Nothing to do with the occult, but a quite stunning tale of debauchery involving Motley Crue that Tom related to my cousin was that the four members had sex with a 12 year old girl on a bed while her mother watched (obviously both were consenting) before having sex with the mother. Unbelievable really, the shit that goes on that we never hear about.

>But Nikki didn't care for grandstanding. "It's nothing," he said. "It just looks cool. It's meaningless symbols and shit. I'm just doing it to piss people off. It's not like I fucking worship Satan or something."

See, this is how these arrogant rockstars think. They think at first that it's just for show, and that it's just "making a statement" or "creating an image". It's the attitude of these people >>4389992
>>4389775

>>4390324

now you're just being stupid...

>>4390324
I once had sex with the "demon" I encountered in sleep paralysis felt good,
But it was strange, because I got that sensation in the stomache like you get on a roller-coaster ride while doing it.
Shit was cash maybe I have a child in the realm of spirit?

>>4390334
It was more like a shadow (black smoke) than an actual in-the-flesh demon.

>>4390328
That kind of thing always upsets me. If there's one thing that really upsets me it's young girls being played around with, and if it's in the form of a ritual or orgy or some other such thing it becomes really desolate.

This is the real kind of evil in the world, and it's what pushes me closer to God. Things like war and greed I can explain in my head as just being "human nature", but things like occult ritualism involving little girls I can't explain as merely human nature, it's too abhorrent.

There was a guy on 4chan a few months ago that said how messed up the world is, and how depressed he is and that he's seen a lot of "fucked up shit" in his life, telling us about all the debauched sex he's seen at parties at stuff. I told him that the reason these things upset him is because he has a soul and it is effected by sin. He replied by saying that a few years ago he'd call me a retard in that "typical fedora atheist way" (his words) but that from his experience he'd now take what I said with more gravity.

>Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be filled.

>>4390334
I've come to interpret the whores in your head who incite you to masturbate as succubi. Yes, you had sex with a succubus.

>>4390343
Will this have a negative impact on my life?

>>4390343
The succubi take the form of real women, that's their trick. You might be masturbating to a woman you know, but ask yourself: is the woman you know the same depraved fantasy that you are masturbating to? Would she behave that way?

>>4390346
It already has.

>>4390347
It was black smoke I had sex with not a dream image of a women, I had the sensation of sex at the same time I had the horrific sensation of a sleep paralysis nightmare.

>>4390349
The succubus isn't actually a woman. "Black smoke" might well be closer to its real appearance. It's a purely intellectual/spiritual thing, not a physical thing with a fixed appearance as such.

>>4390348
Elaborate pls.

>>4390351
These kinds of things are spiritual, not material. It might never stop you from getting a good job or a qt girlfriend or a nice car. How it effects you is by dimming your spirit/soul, by making you less aware of God, by keeping you in the dark.

>Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

>>4390350
So there's a chance the succubi is some girl I actually know who visited me in a dream in her 'true form'? Interesting stuff.

>>4390357

How do you justify being christian?

>>4390359
no, no, no
the girl did not visit you, a spirit visited you and it took the form of a girl you liked in order to seduce you
that's how I explain it.

>>4390360
I need God. I need Jesus Christ. If I didn't I would be hopeless and lost.

>>4390357
Now that I am aware doesn't that negate the spell of the hell-spawn? Isn't magic founded in the word and thoughts?

>>4390359
In a way though yes. When you look at a pretty woman and "lust after her in your heart" you are essentially being possessed by a spirit. It's not the girl's "true form", it's just a form, an aspect of her. Behind every material object there's a spiritual reality, especially in people.
Angels and Devils lurk behind every human face.

>>4390363
No, that's gnosticism. Being "aware" isn't enough, it's not just a matter of knowledge or intellect, it's a matter of spirit or will. Tbh, this knowledge that you claim to have now could make you worse, because what if you chose to embrace the foul spirit instead of reject it?

>Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

This is what you must d.

>>4390366
What means do I have of rejecting it, but through the word? Isn't the word the ultimate spiritual expression "In the beginning was the word" and "The word was made flesh". Wasn't the foundation of Fausts debauchery, that he made it "in the beginning was the act" translating the word in a material way?

>>4390375
>What means do I have of rejecting it, but through the word? Isn't the word the ultimate spiritual expression "In the beginning was the word" and "The word was made flesh".

Yes, of course, it's just a matter of how you interpet "the Word".

There is a way in which simply knowing makes you free.

>And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

There is an act you can do - repentance, ask God for forgiveness. This "act" occurs more in the spirit that in the material world, but the best way of moving your spirit towards God may be to see a priest.

ITT we don't realise that Baphomet was never a "real" occcult deity, just a misinterpretation of the name Muhammad.

Muhammad > Mohamed > Mahomet > Baphomet

>>4390377
Hmm as an atheist I, like your mother, shrug it of I don't really believe in it. I find it an interesting subject though I love to read about it.

>>4390383
Yes, it's a great portrait of how Euros deceive themselves through generations with polemical misunderstandings.

>>4390362

No you wouldn't...

>>4390422
Then why isn't the rituals worshipping Baphomet the same as Muslim rituals?

Christians 0
Baphomet 1
Mohammad >9000

Iaom is for scumfuck faggots.
99.99% of occultness are pretentious, humorless idiots.

>>4390442
Well, aren't you hopeless and lost without God? Because it seems we have a lot of existential crisis threads on here and everybody's response is, "just face the abyss brah", and, ">tfw".

>>4390464

No, why would I be hopeless or lost? I am healthy, well-read in philosophy, a poet. I find much value in my life.

>>4390464
The problem with the religious answer is that you actually have to be honest for it to work. I can't say beyond doubt that I believe in a god and if god if there and he is omniscient he would understand that I live in my own truth and I would be insincere if I professed to believe in him. Even though it wouldn't give me a pass in to his super secret club of true believers, just that he will understand me by looking into my soul is enough for me, even if it dooms me to eternal suffering.

>>4390422
>thinking the truth matters

>>4390484
You don't have to be a saint with a faith that can move mountains to begin with. Just searching for God is a solid foundation to start with.

Four words: Welcome To Night Vale.

That shit makes the occult more laughable than anything.

>>4390500
As an atheist, this is what I find I'm constantly doing though.

>>4389992
I'll be perfectly honest, this is my attitude towards bronies and brony culture

>>4390509
You're doing fine then.
Ask God to increase your faith, and He will.

>>4390511

Check it out guys, a life denying crustian!

Nihilist!

Hater of the earth!

Weak!

Everyone look, look and laugh.

>>4390510

I once wrote a greentext erotic retelling of the epic of gilgamesh set in equestria

it's all good

>>4390517
I love the earth, because it's God's footstool, and everything that is of God is beautiful and good.

>>4390520
See, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Although most of the fans are disgusting asshats(no offense), the things they produce are fucking glorious. Like, who the fuck thinks to set one of the oldest stories of all time in a land filled with cute ponies and sex? That's what I want to know.

>>4390528

Exactly, you sacrifice the real world up to your abstractions and ideals. You don't care about earth, as it really is - you care about your god and you try to say the earth is of your god.

>>4390529
That show has occult power. It's cutesy aesthetic is the gnostic embodiment of "kawaii", and many have been possessed by it.

>>4390529

> Like, who the fuck thinks to set one of the oldest stories of all time in a land filled with cute ponies and sex? That's what I want to know.

a /lit/izen I guess

>>4390537
> You don't care about earth, as it really is

I love the earth as it is, and I love its creator as He is.
There are abominable things on the face of the earth, but in the end everything is set right, perfectly just for all eternity. Everybody reaps what they sow. Amen.

>>4390540
I suppose so. I have a friend who's a brony, just the one. He's actually a decent guy, until you find that he's searched multiple forms of "clopfics".

because it's silly.

>>4390568

you aren't taking silliness seriously enough

>>4389992
Pretty much this.

Because i need to see the evidence to see it works.

You made this thread for the sole purpose of attracting Incognito so he could make more of his fucking paranoid rants.

>>4390464
As someone who used to be a Christian, living in a world where I perceived that an almighty being, who would ultimately decide my everlasting fate after death, was always judging me and that spirits were about trying to irreversibly corrupt my eternal soul was more frightening and hopeless than living in a world where we're all just meaningless specks on a floating rock.

Accepting the meaninglessness and absurdity of life is more comforting to me than living in a state where I'm in a constant spiritual war between what will give me heaven or what will give me eternal damnation. I may be insignificant in this more nihilistic worldview, but I'm happier being insignificant than thinking all my actions and thoughts have some sort of cosmic, divine importance.

>>4391170
>Claims to be an ex-Christian
>"spirits were about trying to irreversibly corrupt my eternal soul"
"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us."

>>4391231
Okay. Then I guess I never was a "true Christian." What the fuck does it matter? It's just a matter of phrasing. Most self-proclaimed Christians just believe in God for the sake of comforting themselves with the concept of an afterlife and a loving, benevolent authority figure. Most of them haven't even fucking read the Bible. If they had, it would scare the shit out of them.

>>4391270
Pretty sure most people believe for entirely social reasons.
When someone skips church, they always get the ol 'Hey we missed you at church' Not god would be upset. WE miss you.
Same with missionaries. They always try to make friends with people. Give gifts. Invite people over to their homes.
Would explain why so many atheists are autistic cunts.

>>4391126
Paranoid rants are nothing but kabbalistic concepts.

>>4391298
I guess. The point is, the Bible is full of really scary shit and to me it's preferable, and more logical, to live in a world were none of that stuff exists. It's fine if you want to be Christian. To me, that's admirable. Even if I was a Christian I don't think I could manage to not go to hell.

>>4390311
realize that what you're regarding as "the spirit" here is actually part of a larger complex of cognitive psychological knowledge.

The placebo effect could be evidence of the existence of the spirit just as much as it is evidence of the nervous system's tendency to alter perceptions to accommodate cognitive inconsistencies.

However, the difference is that your model builds on the assumption that "the spirit evidently exists" to justify any number of other propositions which depend on the existence of a "spirit" to make sense--even though the only thing you know about your hypothetical, unprovable "spirit" is that it exhibits the placebo effect.

So your justifications here are really just a manipulation of language, not an epistemological approach.

"Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must remain silent."

>>4391270
My point was I think you misunderstood the religion if you thought evil spirits were constantly trying to sodomize your soul.