/lit/ - Literature

What are your interests? Elitism, authoritarianism, social/cultural conservatism, statism, immigration issues, etc.?

If it's kind of a vague mix, look into paleoconservatism, traditionalism, and High Toryism. If it's something more specific (e.g. a philosophical interest in authoritarian/hierarchical states) you can get more specific recommendations.

>>4371874
I'm certainly not statist at all. I'd say I'm more of a cultural conservative.

>>4371889
Try Junger, On Marble Cliffs.

>>4371889
regarding non-fiction you'll definitely want to check out the Closing of the American Mind

>>4371889

You are fucking scum. Human garbage

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>>4371900
I knew you people would do this. /lit/ could learn a thing or two from /pol/

>>4371889
what do you mean by cultural conservative?
the more you can narrow down your political affiliation the easier it is to recommend specific books from the chart- they're organized that way.

>>4371915
>>4371907
It's a troll. Don't reply to these things if you want your right wing threads to stay alive. People on /lit/ intentionally do this to cause a snowball effect into a flamewar. Just ignore them and post constructively.

The janitor/mod just deleted a post ITT as I was typing this, so probably be extra careful.

>>4371889

Is that what they call "cannot get laid" these days?

Why do people keep referring to Heinlein as right-wing?

All of his books I've read so far seem like he supported changing the definition of marriage. Not necessarily gay stuff, but still...

>>4371936
women are usually futile and thick, it's not our fault we can't "connect" with them

>>4371998

>it's not our fault we can't "connect" with them

Is that what autists are telling themselves these days?

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>>4372007
Could you please stop talking to yourself? It's really weird.

>>4371975
Why do people keep referring to the guy who wrote Starship Troopers and sincerely thought that a military-dominated, hyper-elitist society was the best way to go as right-wing?

>>4372010

Maybe you're projecting because you samefag here all the time but...

>>4371889
>cultural conservative

That doesn't mean anything as we know nothing about you. Be more specific.

>>4371975
The chart itself suggests there's a lot of types of right-wing/conservative/reactionary thought.

>>4371861
I'm not a conservative, but I would say Edmund Burke is the usual starting point. You might also want to look at the Young Vienna poets. Anglophones have a tendency to overlook them, but they are in that branch of modernist that could be called conservative. There's also Maurice Barrès in France. Of course, with all of these books, you have to remember that it's a bit reductive to call them "conservative" from a contemporary perspective

>>4372014
To be fair, some of his other stuff is definitely not right-wing. Time Enough for Love, for example.

>>4372014
didn't Stranger in a Strange Land indirectly touch off the hippie movement

>>4372035
I should have added that Young Vienna is in the aristocratic category and Barrès is more in the anarchist, syndicalist, anti-Semitic categories.

>>4372014
>military-dominated, hyper-elitist society

As far as real life goes, this describes just as many left-wing dictatorships in history as it does right-wing dictatorships.

>>4372035
Tom Wolfe

>>4372047
>"stalinism was leftist, i swear!"

>>4372053
Stalinism, Maoism, Juche.

>>4372053
>"national-socialism was rightist, i swear!"

>>4372053
Of course it wasn't leftist, it actually worked in practice.

>>4372053
>>4372061
leftist and rightist structures of government inevitably slide into tighter degrees of control, become cannibalized from the inside out, or be kicked down by more controlled foreign societies from the outside seeking to take advantage of a weaker system
you can cry for Martov or Trotsky all you want

control in itself isnt really a -wing issue

>>4371861
>Kaczynski
>bat-shit crazy
>implying he wasn't right

>>4371861
Do you realise Confessions of a Mask, of all Mishima's works, centers on his homosexuality? It's considered a queer classic, much like Forbidden Colours. It's a beautiful book, but I really don't think it's the one I would choose if your explicit desire is to read conservatively. Maybe try The Sailor Who Fell From Grace With the Sea.

>>4372103
Are you suggesting that homosexuals cannot be conservative or that there is no tradition of homosexuality within the rightist movement?

>>4372108
Of course not, I'm just curious why that, of all the books, was chosen from the list. I'd also say, at least in America, homosexuals are more accepted by leftists.

>>4372053
Leftists need to stop turning away from the magnificent success that was the Soviet Union.

>>4372108
homosexuality, like feminism, is strictly a "liberal" thing that wants to shake the foundations and values of society.

>>4372108
At first blush one might think Mishima gets a pass because he's a jap and not from a judeo-christian society

but he still grew up in a household that discouraged behaving like a pansy so..

>>4372115
But, but... muh late capitalism... muh liberalism...

>>4372108
Besides, wouldn't Mishima's inclusion in the list in the first place, and my acknowledgement of that, indicate that I clearly was not suggesting that homosexuals cannot be conservative. If anything, Mishima fetishised the conservative male.

>>4372116
Homosexuality in and of itself is not wimpy or pansified, the weird subculture that has grown around it in contemporary society is.

>>4372118
Homosexuality isn't anything like feminism.

>>4372116
I feel like homosexuality runs pretty deep in all Mishima's works (well, that I've read). Especially Sound of the Waves, which is all about some nobody being able to fulfill his wild romantic fantasy that goes against all social convention through his Herculean will and virtue.

>>4372122
fetishised due to massive daddy issues and jealousy

>>4372103
>>4372114
I think the "gay" identity in the Western world is a recent phenomena. In actuality it's a stark contrast to Mishima's attitude towards homosexuality.

It seems to me that the modern "gay" identity tries to replicate a sort of feminine nature. Whereas the homosexuality of Mishima idolized masculinity and strength.

>>4372118
>>4372123
people who do not understand homosexuality

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>>4372120
>>4372125
people who do

>>4371861
I approve of this thread

>>4372127
>>4372131
That said, he acknowledges having an epiphelic desire towards young boys for their hairlessness at one masturbatory point earlier in the text. He seems to have a pretty wide taste for men.

>>4372123
Romance in contemporary society generally seems wimpy and pansified.

>>4372131
I agree.

Wasn't this the case for the greeks/romans also?

>>4372131
is he more interested on homosexual desire itself rather than "the identity" (as a standardized codified body) of the homosexual?

>>4372149
In most ancient cultures (and modern prisons) there's a big difference between giving and receiving. Taking it is feminine, sticking it in isn't.

>>4372150
It would depend on your reading. Mishima himself strongly identified with the military, virile male, and eventually committed seppuku after a failed military coupe. I'd strongly recommend the film Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters if you're interested in his life, that is, as an accomplishment to the books mentioned.

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>>4372153
i have a theory that gaymosexuality would be more easily understood in the west if the dominant pattern of pairing was a bear to each twink

Why can't right wing people not be bitches and embrace futurism instead of some reactionary shitheap of teary eyed sentiment? The past is done, it's neon time.

>>4372153
going even further back, Mesopotamians seemed to not have given a fuck about it. Curious thing

>>4372158
But it isn't, so...

>>4372159
stop that

>>4372159
Because the coolest form of futurism is Afrofuturism, and right-wingers aren't into that for obvious reasons.

>>4372108
http://multitudes.samizdat.net/Mishima-Yukio-Everyone-s-Favorite

this essay is good on the two and their similarities

>>4372159
futurism is in the past already, grandpa. roaring motor cars are obsolete but the victory of samothrace is just as beautiful as it was a hundred years ago.

>>4372165
>not liking futurism

>>4372171
Afrofuturism is cool as fuck, yes. We need more of it that's less past-y today.

>>4372174
>futurism
>not evolving with its time as the vanguard of the eternal just-beyond now

>>4372173
Thank you.

>>4372171
What is some good Afrofuturism?

>>4372007
>Is that what autists are telling themselves these days?

It's what narcissists tell themselves.

>not reading Spengler

Ishiggity diggity swiggidity in da bomdidlybitlydee

>>4372165

>mfw Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ is actually curtailing leftist shitposting in a civil right-wing thread

Have we stepped into a new era? Surprised but very pleased.

>>4372115
the soviet union was a magnificent failure.

>>4372912
you could just say "try spengler"

>>4372079
This.

>>4372159
is this post making an attempt at being ironic, because futurism inspired fascism?

... or this poster a genuine idiot?

>>4372159
Several of the books on there are futurist or syncretist.
Guillaume Faye's own major ideological book is named Archeofuturism.

Reactionary movements are more sincere though.

>>4371861
>>4371889
Oakeshotte's On Conservatism.
The Roger Scruton Reader.
Edmund Burke's Reflections on the Revolution in France.
Reflections: The Selected Writings and Speeches of Enoch Powell.