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Hey /lit/ I'm currently working on my fantasy novel and I have a question concerning dialogue.

I have a tendency to be somewhat elaborate with my dialogue to an extent that I have characters who are perhaps more humble tradesmen, fishermen, loan sharks, guardman etc. that speak with a perhaps uncharacteristic eloquence. As such in contrast to some of my better educated characters they bare a similar resemblance when speaking.

How likely is this to put off a potential reader? Does it effect credibility of the character? I know from experience that class isn't always indicative of how someone speaks. In fact I know many people from a working class background who are perfectly capable of using the terminology of the middle class but slip into a more working class dialect when speaking with friends from a similar background.

What's the best way to differentiate between characters backgrounds in education, wealth, social class - and to a certain degree, different trades - through dialogue? I have no desire to create whole separate dialects. Is it best, when writing speech of, say a working class character, to just keep it simple? Avoid using overly elaborate synonyms?

>> No.4354927

>>4354915
I can tell just be reading this post that your novel sucks

Now post it so that I can make fun of you

>> No.4354930

>>4354927
>I can tell just be reading this post that your novel sucks

Based on what exactly?

>> No.4354936

>>4354930
Your sounding like a faggot

>> No.4354941

>>4354936
/lit/'s in great form today I see.

>> No.4354950

>>4354941
Greater form than your novel #wrekt

>> No.4354954

>>4354950
lel too bad all you have to go off is conjecture.

>> No.4354958

>>4354915
>How likely is this to put off a potential reader?
Very
>Does it effect credibility of the character?
Yes
>What's the best way to differentiate between characters backgrounds in education, wealth, social class - and to a certain degree, different trades - through dialogue?
Examine examples from mass media

>Is it best, when writing speech of, say a working class character, to just keep it simple?
Not necessarily, but most likely such is the case

>Avoid using overly elaborate synonyms?
If you are specifically casting a character in a social class role, then there will be words you need to always replace so that he is part of a set piece in the setting

>> No.4354963

>>4354958
>If you are specifically casting a character in a social class role, then there will be words you need to always replace so that he is part of a set piece in the setting

Would you mind me giving me an example?

>> No.4354966

>>4354915
the only fantasy novel i ever read was the dispossessed, because the university made me. Pick that up; she did some neat shit with dialogue to show that some people spoke certain languages poorly and some were less educated.

>> No.4354970

>>4354954
Yeah so post an actual passage. I'll judge it by its own merit

>> No.4354976

>>4354963
say a tool or how certain things are performed or even a location

Examples

tonali - fate
biononics
ge-eagles
plyplastic

it all depends on how widely spread the usage of certain things/ideas are

>> No.4355002

>What's the best way to differentiate between characters backgrounds in education, wealth, social class - and to a certain degree, different trades - through dialogue?

If you have a well-formed idea of the character, it should be self-evident. Unless you have literally no experience of the world, it should be obvious to you that people use completely different tones, modes of expression and openness of expression depending on their own social position and the social position of the person they are talking to.

Even a simple scenario should make this obvious:

Mechanic A
Mechanic B
Boss
Well-to-do Female Customer

Mechanic A and B shoot the shit together, talking honestly, openly and in the venacular.

Mechanic A or B and the Boss will have a similar relationship except the mechanics will probably be more guarded and 'on good behaviour'.

Boss and WTDLC - Boss is trying to put on his best airs. He may artificially enhance his own normal language to impress her or give off the impression he desires, possibly seeming ridiculous to her and the reader by doing so.

Mechanics and WTDLC - the mechanics will be awkward and uncomfortable. They will probably say very little rather than risk engaging with her. Possibly someone will make some breakthrough comment that leads to a more honest and natural conversation.

These are just simple examples, and equally those situations could turn out in other ways, but the point is it should be clear when you create a character and have them engage with other characters how such a conversation would turn out, how the dynamic would work, what their points of commonality or disparity are.

>> No.4355006

>>4354950
>#wrekting yourself
What a terrible lapse in common decency.

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>>4354927
>>4354936
>>4354950
>>4354970

>> No.4355040

>>4354976
Yep, like if you have a blacksmith (just an example fuck you) he should know techniques of blacksmithing. Or at least be able to explain how he made something.
>Research your shit