/lit/ - Literature

>>4350073
I wouldn't call it a ruse. Excuse would be a better word

>>4350085
Agreed.

>>4350073
Are you implying he was living a lie? That he wasn't a genuine right-winger?

It's not like those things are totally unrelated. I mean, it was a natural fit.

It was a cover for his shitty writing.

>>4350178
His biographer says it explicitly. plus, he wasn't a fascist, but a traditionalist and monarchist, and Japanese traditionalism mixed well with his /fit/ persona. There was no way he would let his body and mind deteriorate naturally

He obviously didnt think he would spark a coup d'etat, it was just a way for him to die. If you read his tetralogy (which is amazing) you will find a lot of insight.

>>4350205
Fascists are just traditionalists without monarchs to worship. So a traditionalist and monarchist is a right-winger
>There was no way he would let his body and mind deteriorate naturally
Than he should have committed seppuku at 25. We're all over that hill at that point.

>>4350325
*sudoku

>>4350325
>We're all over that hill at that point.
somebody just turned 25. happy birthday, bud.

>>4350358
Genetically speaking of course.

>>4350340
Oh gimme a break "Sarah"
Don't be butthurt. Sorry for being so callus to the poor sod.

Does anyone have ebooks of after the banquet, his noh plays, silk and insight, forbidden colors? Thanks

How can I talk about this man without coming off as a weeb

That's my biggest concern here, because I really hate those sorts of people

>>4350732
>hating weebs

>>4350391
>callus

>>4350740
Only passively
I know I'm on the wrong site to say that

It mainly comes from a deep sense of self hatred and a displaced sense of persecution that has limited me for fear of alienation

It's an odd sort of shame I can't trace to any determinable source

>>4350762
damn dude you're deep as hell

What is his best work, I want to give the dude a shot. His tetralogy sounds pretty neat. Should I check it out?

>>4350767
Yeah, I came off as a real faggot there

I just hate weebs because I can't stand grown men acting pathetic and falling victim to peter-pan syndrome

>>4350764
The answer is a resounding yes, but it's a long haul kind of read.
The Sailor Who Fell From Grace With The Sea was my first experience with Mishima, and looking back, I'm glad. It's short, but simultaneously beautiful and deeply unsettling - it's a condensed version of everything there is to love about him as an author.

>>4350782
i feel that about people like my father, but seeing 30-40 year olds on japanese subways reading hentai and playing love plus just seems natural

>>4350745
Ya learn something new everyday. Always though "callus" was what you meant.

>>4350732
I would never assume someone who liked Japanese culture was also a massive anime/manga weeaboo

>>4350802
Are you from Japan?
If so, do you believe that all the suffocating media pushed at the young people of the nation is causing a looming collapse?

What do you think about the declining population?

What's the deal with people working themselves literally to death?

Pls help me understand

>>4350809
no.
nothing.
people do that everywhere.

>>4350827
Straight shit nigga.
Why do you think people fixate on Japan?
I don't get it

>>4350829

because of anime. Anime tends to focus on a. power fantasys and b. awkward teenagers saving the universe

>>4350833
>not awkward teenagers destroying the universe

>>4350833
That seems like it would become incredibly trite

Why does demand and interest persist?

>>4350845
Because if you never grow up your tastes never change.

>>4350845

because young people love it. What is cooler than something like DBZ when you were young? The only people who keep watching anime are usually socially backwards and have the mental capabilities of a 10 year old

>>4350850
Wow.

That was actually insightful

Thanks

You guys realise this guy was a joke right?

>>4350855
I do, but I fear most of /lit/ does not.

>>4350855
kind of like your life?

>>4350851
DBZ never had any car chases, rocket voyages or shootouts.
Compare it to other, better children's entertainment, pic related.

>>4350864

I guess? Seems like only people even more juvenile than Mishima the clown could find his antics anything other than laughable.

>>4350883
I think you mean pic-related. All that plus way more.

>>4350895
Manga didn't even exist when Tintin started.

>>4350073

No.

I liked however his philosophy of action. "Spiritual lessons for young samurais" is a must read.

He readed extensively the bushido, mabe that's where you can get more input on the obsession with death.

>>4350899
that has literally nothing to do with the quality though

>>4350908
That's true.
I can't really judge Jojo since I could never stand reading past 40-60 pages of "the tragic adventures of the dumbest young man of the Victorian era."

>>4350921
Part 1 is shit I agree, everything after though is great though.

Parts of it are almost pop art in the vein of Andy Warhol Roy Lichtenstein

>>4350864

Alright well keep worshiping this clown. His antics appeal to people almost as juvenile as he was I suppose.

>>4350932
*everything after that is great though

>>4350932
It looked like it was suffering from being written without any real direction or focus.
Eventually I'll just jump into it at a later point.

>>4350851
>The only people who keep watching anime are usually socially backwards and have the mental capabilities of a 10 year old
cool your jets there lad. Theres nothing wrong with enjoying a bit of anime here and there.

>>4350950
>It looked like it was suffering from being written without any real direction or focus

That's pretty much true, and Araki was really just ripping off Fist of the North Star and Dracula for part 1.

He matured a lot as a writer and as an artist after that though.

>>4350595

>>4350883
based communist tintin

He explicitly said a man's body could no longer be beautiful after 50...he killed himself when he was 45.
His 'narcissism' was deeply rooted in his insecurity as a sickly/week child well into his adulthood when you take in account the interview with his then lover Akihiro Maruyama on a traumatic critique on his physique which sparked his obsession with body building.
Then take in account his childhood growing up in a 'westernized', well-to-do family with his obvious rebellion towards it from 'Confessions of a Mask' and his early sexual desires for 'common, hard working men' and his sexual desires toward Saint Sebastian and male death.

What it comes down to is a extremely multi-faceted person doing an difficult-to-interpret act which reflects in fallacy as much as the fallacies of his characters doing somewhat the same thing.
His death was a planned-out ritual, his life a theater.

...sometimes I get the feeling you people have no clue what you're talking about and base your assumptions on whims.

He was a degenerate homosexual, macho traditionalist authoritarian politics were his escape from his real self.

>>4350851
>The only people who keep watching anime are usually socially backwards and have the mental capabilities of a 10 year old
>>4350951

Hence the word 'usually' in that post.

I enjoy a few anime from time to time but I do agree with that posters statement (most viewers are socially awkward, mentally deficient, and down right irritating to even look at let alone know).

>>4351825

He was a spoilt, insulated, maladjusted brat who had a tinge of genius (no doubt that he was able t accomplish what he did). A 'tragic' figure somewhat but also one can't help but feel unsympathetic and resentful considering how pampered these types tend to be (rich upper class families, mingling with the well to do, having all the best the world and society has to offer at the fingertips)

>>4352293
Oh, absolutely...the awareness of his family's situation and his own personality is probably what makes him so compelling.
It's at this where I can't imagine being wholly unsympathetic towards him, most of these types are completely oblivious to their position and it's kind of enigmatic to see his form such a strong opinion against it, yet fully dabble in it as well.
If Rimbauld chose to live among 'the scum', Mishima seemed to live in both worlds.

>>4352293
Oh, absolutely...the awareness of his family's situation and his own personality is probably what makes him so compelling.
It's at this where I can't imagine being wholly unsympathetic towards him, most of these types are completely oblivious to their position and it's kind of enigmatic to see his form such a strong opinion against it, yet fully dabble in it as well.
If Rimbaud chose to live among 'the scum', Mishima seemed to live in both worlds.

>>4352271

That degenerate quip aside you're probably right.

>>4352674
And you would know his "real self" how? Oh you're going to base it off stereotypes of homosexuals. Genius

>>4352271

historically hypermasculine cultures tend to be pretty gay

japanese samurai culture was often founded on mntorship/pedarasty not too different from the greeks

>>4352271
There's nothing that makes macho traditional authoritarian politics incompatible with homosexuality. Just look at ancient Greece, as the other anon said.

>>4352793
He does talk about the feminine-thus-cruel aspect of samurai/japanese male culture in his english interview.

Just picked up Sound of Waves and Confessions of a Mask today

Which should I read first?

>>4354508
plz /lit/

>>4354508
>>4354586
Confessions of a Mask is the obvious choice but you could do either.

>>4354596
Cool, thanks. Long bus tomorrow and will probably just read both but just kind of wanted to check which would be a better one to start on (and, figuring chronological would probably be best, I was going to go Confessions anyway)