/lit/ - Literature

>>4259851
Wasn't he a mean cunt?

how do you get your hair like that?

>>4259868
Becoming a Knight of Faith actually turns you into a Super Saiyan.

He had kind of a shitty existence. I hope the big guy threw him a bone.

>>4259868
Being under thirty and combing it back.

May not work for thin haired people.

>>4259851
Which heaven? ...He always make me think of Ezra Klein

Of course he did even though he was a heretic divorced from the One True Church of Catholicism. God's mercy knows no bounds. Right, guys?

>>4259967
it seems like your hair would have to be particularly wavy for it to look like that.

>>4259977
UNAMSANCTUM

I'm related to him.

Additional info: I'm not as cool as him.

>>4259851
No of course not but it was worth trying

So can you actually become a Knight of Faith or was it just an ideal, like the Ubermensch?

>>4261924
What I got out of Fear and Trembling was that you can in fact become a knight of faith, it's just for all intents and purposes impossible to fully comprehend/talk about. I dunno, I did read the whole thing in one sitting late at night so the finer points were obviously lost on me.

Someone correct me!

>>4261924
It's questionable. Kierkegaard points to some people he thinks were probably knights of faith (Abraham) and acknowledges that there might be knights of faith unknown out there. He also questions if anyone has ever been a knight of faith.

Prob purgatory for a while, but he's on his way up for sure.

>>4259977
He probably would have ended up Catholic if he wasn't so committed to attacking the Lutheran state Church in Denmark and the idea that people were taking Christianity as a Sunday festival rather than as a religion.
http://perennis dot blogspot dot co dot uk/2004/07/kierkegaard-critic-of-luther dot html

>"There is a curious connection between Protestantism and the modern political point of view: it is a struggle for the same thing, the sovereignty of the people."

>[I]t can come to the point in Protestantism when worldliness is honored and venerated as godliness. And that, I maintain, cannot happen in Catholicism.... No wonder Luther very quickly got such great support. The secular mentality understood immediately the break.... [T]hey grinned in their beards ... at Luther ... that chosen instrument of God who had helped men so splendidly make a fool of God."

>"When Catholicism degenerates, what form of corruption will show itself? The answer is easy: mock holiness. When Protestantism degenerates, what form of corruption will show itself? The answer is not difficult: shallow worldliness. But in Protestantism this will show itself with a refinement which cannot occur in Catholicism."

>"The congregation was afraid of going to confession; the confessional box made it all too real. The priests were afraid of hearing confession; it became much too serious a matter."

>>4261997
>"Luther, your responsibility is great indeed, for the closer I look the more clearly do I see that you overthrew the pope and set the public on the throne.... You altered the New Testament concept of 'the martyr,' and taught men to win by numbers."

>"The Middle Ages fell into error and believed that is was a sacred shame for a priest to marry. Then came Luther ... and got married. Now it is regarded as a shame when a priest does not marry. One cannot well be a parson when one is not married. The congregation will not have entire confidence in him when he is not married. Verily the world has gone ahead spiritually. In the Middle Ages they had most confidence in an unmarried man, they conceived that they had a guarantee in his unmarried state. This is the syllogism of the spirit. Now they have most confidence in the married man: they conceive that in the fact that he is married they have a guarantee that he will not seduce one's wife and daughter.... [T]his is the syllogism of the flesh."

>"Luther is the very opposite of the apostle [St. Paul]. The apostle expresses Christianity in God's interest.... Luther expresses Christianity in man's interest."

there are a few other quotes.

I think these are all of the fairly pro-Catholic ones.

>>4261997
I believe that's sort of why Schopenhauer detested Protestantism and Judaism and Islam for that matter. He saw a distinct worldliness in those religions.

>>4262008
yeah, Islam is so worldly it's unreal. There idea of Heaven is living in a huge palace, having thousands of servants, having huge banquets and owning a several dozen virgins.
The Christian idea of heaven is the Beatific Vision.
There is a great gap spiritually and philosophically here.

>>4262014
The Christian idea is being around three headed lions making annoying sounds? How spiritual.

>>4262025
it's more like this

Do you guys think Beckett achieved Sunyata?

>>4262014
Interestingly, but not surprisingly, Nietzsche said the following:

>If Islam despises Christianity, it has a thousandfold right to do so: Islam at least assumes that it is dealing with men.
The AntiChrist, Chapter 59

>Christianity destroyed for us the whole harvest of ancient civilization, and later it also destroyed for us the whole harvest of Mohammedan civilization. The wonderful culture of the Moors in Spain, which was fundamentally nearer to us and appealed more to our senses and tastes than that of Rome and Greece, was trampled down ( I do not say by what sort of feet ) Why? Because it had to thank noble and manly instincts for its origin because it said yes to life, even to the rare and refined luxuriousness of Moorish life! The crusaders later made war on something before which it would have been more fitting for them to have grovelled in the dust a civilization beside which even that of our nineteenth century seems very poor and very "senile." What they wanted, of course, was booty: the orient was rich. Let us put aside our prejudices! The crusades were a higher form of piracy, nothing more! The German nobility, which is fundamentally a Viking nobility, was in its element there: the church knew only too well how the German nobility was to be won . The German noble, always the "Swiss guard" of the church, always in the service of every bad instinct of the church but well paid . Consider the fact that it is precisely the aid of German swords and German blood and valour that has enabled the church to carry through its war to the death upon everything noble on earth! At this point a host of painful questions suggest themselves. The German nobility stands outside the history of the higher civilization: the reason is obvious. Christianity, alcohol the two great means of corruption. Intrinsically there should be no more choice between Islam and Christianity than there is between an Arab and a Jew. The decision is already reached; nobody remains at liberty to choose here. Either a man is a Chandala or he is not. "War to the knife with Rome! Peace and friendship with Islam!" : this was the feeling, this was the act , of that great free spirit, that genius among German emperors, Frederick II. What! must a German first be a genius, a free spirit, before he can feel decently ? I can't make out how a German could ever feel Christian .
The AntiChrist, Chapter 69

>>4262033
He was selfless enough to drive Andre the Giant to school.

>>4262027
I never noticed that god actually has a winning smile.

>>4262037
Nietzsche was so full of shit.

>Christianity destroyed for us the whole harvest of ancient civilization,

No you tard, the Catholic Church is what kept some of that crumbling ancient civilization alive. The Roman Empire was collapsing when the Church was becoming strong, and then it did collapse. If it wasn't for the Church barbarism would have totally conquered Europe.

Do Wilde's death bed rites count?

>>4262037
lel Nietzsche was such a bad philosopher

> hurr muh orientalism
> no one is Muslim is Germany, therefore I like it!
> are you mad yet?

Daily reminder than both Jakob Boehme and William Blake reported hearing the strands of beautiful music on their death bed.

>>4262054
based Blake

>>4262048
The Catholic Church is what weakened the Roman Empire in the first place, babby's first history lesson fag.

>>4262059
> muh armchair history

>>4262048
This is actually one of the points where he got it right, and the death of god enabled him to disclose it.

>>4262059
That is false. Go to bed, Friedrich.

>>4262048
What do you think the Muslims were doing at that time? They don't call it the Islamic Golden Age for nothing. Medieval Christian society was pitiful compared to Moorish Andalusia and Baghdad.

>>4262051
So you haven't read Nietzsche.

>>4262059
>"muh Gibbon"

top lel

Face it, the Catholic Church preserved the love of the Latin language and Latin literature by extension. If it wasn't for the influence of the Church Nietzsche probably wouldn't have been a philologist studying Greek and Latin literature centuries afterwards.

>>4262073
>What do you think the Muslims were doing at that time? They don't call it the Islamic Golden Age for nothing. Medieval Christian society was pitiful compared to Moorish Andalusia and Baghdad.

Civilizations developed indepently and some times the Chinese were ahead, and some time the Muslims were ahead, and some times the Christians were ahead. What's your point?

>>4262074
It was prohibited for anyone else than the clergy/monks to read. Do you even read history you dirty plebeian?

>>4262081
>prohibited
Incorrect.

>>4262079
My point is that the Catholic Church wasn't necessarily crucial in maintaining the heritage of the Ancients. But that doesn't really matter, since you/the poster who replied to that citation has no idea what Nietzsche meant with "the whole harvest of ancient civilization" if he believed the Church kept it alive.

>>4262081
>prohibited
Yes, because cartographers and secular nobility couldn't read.

There is only one christian, and he died in Copenhagen.

>>4262084
I was just correcting the anon about Catholicism and Rome, I haven't read Nietzsche outside of Genealogie der Moral.

>>4262090
Noice.

>>4262081
>implying his priest lets him

>>4262087
>secular nobility

Such trole

>>4262111
He probably meant lay people.

What if there is no God?

No afterlife?

Only dust and darkness?

>>4262119
There's not even darkness, just nothing. That's why there's no need really to fear and tremble it's only the transition that's uncomfortable.

Maybe by invincible ignorance?

His philosophy was very muddled

>>4262037
>there are people on /lit/ right now who subscribe to Nietzsche's ideas
How horrifying.

>>4262178
>subscribing to his ideas
>citing his ideas

Pick one. Some people are capable of quoting, reading, and discussing writers without soaking up everything they say (take a hint, Evolafags).

>>4262178
What about Nietzsche scares you specifically?

apology for poor danish

when were you when sorn kirkguard dies?

i was sat at home trembling when god vision

"sorn is kill"

"i accept this and through my faith i endeavour not to be saddened by it"

and you??????????????

>>4262841

10/10

>tfw Kierky was a better Christian than 99% of contemporary Christians but was never completely assured of his own salvation
It really put things in perspective. I fear and tremble at the thought.

I want to read Kierkegaard. Thankfully, I'm danish so I don't have to suffer through shitty translations. Where's a good place to start?

>>4262962
Works of Love if you're happy.
Sickness Unto Death if you're depressed.
Fear and Trembling if you want something religious.
Purity of Heart Is To Will One Thing if you want something philosophical.
Either/Or if you want something literary.

I reckon the best would prob be,

Works of Love -> Purity of Heart . . . -> Sickness Unto Death -> Fear and Trembling -> Either/Or

>>4262971
Thanks, m8.

>>4262971
>When it is the duty to love the men we see, then one must first and foremost give up all fanciful and extravagant ideas about a dream world where the object of love is to be sought and found; that is, one must become sober, win actuality and truth by finding and continuing in the world of actuality as the task assigned to one.

>Is it an excellence in your love that it can love only the extraordinary, the rare? If it were love’s merit to love the extraordinary, then God would be — if I dare say so — perplexed, for to Him the extraordinary does not exist at all. The merit of being able to love only the extraordinary is therefore more like an accusation, not against the extraordinary nor against love, but against the love which can love only the extraordinary. Perfection in the object is not perfection in the love. Erotic love is determined by the object; friendship is determined by the object; only love of one’s neighbor is determined by love. Therefore genuine love is recognizable by this, that its object is without any of the more definite qualifications of difference, which means that this love is recognizable only by love.

quotes from Works of Love

>>4262976
>A man enters upon his life, hoping that all will go well for him and with good wishes for others. He steps out into the world’s multiplicity, like one that comes from the country into the great noisy city, into the multiplicity where men engrossed in affairs hurry past one another, where each looks out for what belongs to him in the vast "back and forth," where everything is in passing, where it is as though at each instant one saw what he had learned borne out in practice, and in the same instant saw it refuted, without any cessation in the unrest of work, in multiplicity -- that all too vast a school of experience. For here one can experience everything possible, or that everything is possible, even what the inexperienced man would least believe, that the Good sits highest at the dinner table and crime next highest, or crime highest and the Good next highest -- in good company with each other. So this man stands there. He has in himself a susceptibility for the disease of double-mindedness. His feeling is purely immediate, his knowledge only strengthened through contemplation, his will not mature. Swiftly, alas, swiftly he is infected -- one more victim. This is nothing new, but an old story. As it has happened to him, so it has happened with the double-minded ones who have gone before him -- this in passing he now gives as his own excuse, for he has received the consecration of excuses.

quote from Purity of Heart Is To Will One Thing

>>4262841

>>4262971
What about The Concept of Anxiety?
I bought it because I tought it would help me through my existential crisis abuot how many versions of myself I have to 'kill' in order to become something, and the fear I'm killing the wrong ones

>>4262986
Haven't read it so I can't comment.

You sound like you should start with Sickness Unto Death though, and then into Purity of Heart and Fear and Trembling.

you can read this, because it's a great appetizer and it's really short
http://www.historyguide.org/europe/present_age.html

>>4262841
undskyldning for dårlig dansk

hvor var du når sorn kikkegård dor?

jeg var sad hjem bæven da guds vision

"sorn er dræb"

"jeg accepterer dette, og igennem min tro bestræber jeg mig ikke at blive sorgelig af det"

og du???????????????????????

>>4262993
This is a funny sketch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk

>>4262986
>I bought it because I tought it would help me through my existential crisis abuot how many versions of myself I have to 'kill' in order to become something, and the fear I'm killing the wrong ones

I can't think of a philosopher who deals better with this issue than Kierkegaard, because where all other philosophers will give you their opinion on what you ought to make of your self Kierkegaard always urges you to find your own opinion. That doesn't mean that he has no advice other than the platitude, "be yourself!" Far from it; he introduces you to the concepts that'll allow you to make your own opinion but not leave you completely stranded, unable to choose which direction to go in.

Here's a book of quotes.
http://www.ldolphin.org/Provocations.pdf

It lacks some of Kierkegaard's deeper more probing dialectical stuff, but it has a lot of great advice and instruction. Read the first few chapters and see if you aren't convinced.

>>4259851
Only saints and martyrs (maybe) enter Heaven. Heaven is for Angels, divinities. Men sleep in the Grave and wait for the Resurrection, when/where they'll be judged. Soren is waiting.

>>4262128
The darkness we contemplate in the here and now, hence the trembling some people still have a problem with. The dust and darkness, the light, and our friends and family etc., do continue (unless we're talking about the end of the species) so...

Whistle a happy tune!

>>4263068
But anon, Christ gave us salvation long time ago the waiting period is over.

>>4262056
Blake really is such a bro