/lit/ - Literature

>No description, minimal action, chapter upon chapter of dialogue.
Dostoyevsky confirmed for being the world's first light novelist

>My Older Brother Can't be This Murderous!

>>4213576
If you're 250 pgs in things actually start happening, so grind it out m8.

>>4213576
Man, if you really don't appreciate this book by the time you're 250 pages deep, it probably is best you don't continue

Wait until the end, there is a trial that is 100 pages of recounting what you have already read. If you don't like dialogue don't read Doestovsky

>>4213576
>at the part where Ivan goes on a three chapter long diatribe on God being an asshole
oh so like one of the most important, if not the important, parts of the book?

>>4213576
Wait...

Are you...

Are you talking about the The Grand Inquisitor chapter?

That's one of the greatest chapters in all of world literature.

Damn son. Either it's really not up your alley or you're not ready.

Or this is a really sublte and lame troll

Which translation are you reading?

The Grand Inquisitor chapter nearly made me shit a brick the first time I read it. Same with The Devil chapter. Father Zosima's chapters are GOAT as well.

Oh look, a BK thread where people are actually talking about BK.

>>4214071
I liked the build up to Smerdyakov's stroke. Shit was cash.

You might enjoy the Mitya chapters, maybe, but if you haven't been enjoying it hitherto you aren't really going to come out of it saying you enjoyed the read.

>>4213632
This. If you prefer descriptions Tolstoy (or almost any French novelist of the nineteenth century for that matter) is your man.

If any man among us has not met his "Grushenka" yet, the one who fills your heart with rapture and sometimes hatred, and drives you to insane, reckless acts, I truly do pity you.

>>4213576
You must not be ready yet. Read some easier stuff for five years then give it another go.

see this is what's fucking wrong with foreigners reading russian books

>the grand inquistor zomg zomg zogmosmoagmzogmozgmo

the actual chapters that are fundamental in tbk are the one about lise's liking for pineapple compote and the one stating ivan's argument against god with the dogs and the little kid

I feel like everyone in this thread just got trolled and butthurt hard.

>>4214071
The chapter about the life of Zosima is still my favourite to this day.

>>4213576
Fuck the Jews - Dostoevsky

>>4213576

That dialogue with Alyosha is extremely important. It finds its counterpart later in the novel. You need to go through this to get the full impact of this most important novel.

Dostoyevsky was a great man. I loved that novel. If you don't care about whether God exists or not and all these other existential issues, Dosto may not be the writer for you.

THE SIMPSONS DID IT AGAIN!

>>4213576
The dialogue was one of his best ways of storytelling. I liked it in C&P.

>>4214542
The dogs and kid part is extremely moving and important. I totally do not understand Lise as a character or story element at all, though. Someone please enlighten me.

>>4218380
She is every 14 year old girl ever. Not literally, but she is the insecure sadomasochist in every half-grown person (no matter their actual age).

She fully understands she's generating negative thoughts and comments, but she'd rather have negative attention than no attention. As soon as she wasn't a cripple, she cooked up a new plan to get attention; which was to be batshit crazy.

Also, getting her attention fix while being an ass and doing the opposite of what is "right" is a power trip-- especially compared to the previous "oh you poor cripple, let me help you" she'd get as notice.

She talks all this and that proud as a peacock right up until she asks Alyosha if he despises her. He tries to disagree, then admits he thinks she's just ridiculous.

"Good!" is her response to being disbelieved, which is despising to the point of not registering the despicable beliefs as actual truth. She's ridiculous, but if he truly didn't think she was full of shit, he was even more hateful than she was... doesn't mean you can call her out directly though, that would be too easy.

Everyone has their way of dealing with insecurities, some less graceful than others. He heard her wince in fear of judgement in admitting that she was haunted by the pineapple compote, and that was all he needed to relate with her and understand why she was so crazy.

That's pretty much Alexei's relationship with everyone. Alexei lives with the pervert and remains chaste, talks to godless psychopaths and sensualists, and skids through without harm despite him believing he's just as bad as the rest.

Lisa is one of my favorite side characters from Brothers Karamazov. In her, we see a lot of the behavior issues present in the female and male adults alike, with the mischievousness and pure unadulterated suspension of disbelief only capable by children or hysterical adults.

She tells the only person she trusts that she hates him and called him over to laugh at him, then slams her finger in a door when he leaves without hating her for what she did.

The scene making, the manipulation, the self-rationalizing of the most insane thought processes, pride and fear of judgement despite self-hatred.... all central points in the book all boiled down into one character on the brink of almost adulthood.