/lit/ - Literature

>>4178796
YOU CAN'T CUT BACK ON ROADS FUNDING
YOU ARE GOING TO REGRET THIS

Did you ever try to fit your whole dick and nuts inside someone's mouth?

>>4178796
Why picture of Stalin? Hard mode: why picture of Stalin sans edge?

What's that square box behind your toilet? Mostly I've only seen toilets that feed directly into the ground.

>>4178801
Is this very form of total sexual conquest over the mouth, which is of course the most 'personal' of the human orifices, the ultimate last frontier of bourgeois capitalism?
I am reminded of nothing so much as Ridley Scott's "Alien" and the two immediate sequels following; of course the typical stupid liberal opinion is that Alien3 is a failure as a conclusion because there is only one alien and the stakes are thus lower- no! The alien, an abstract violent sexual force is irrelevant, the true antagonist is the company itself, with the goal crushing any hope for community uprising by conquering the last area of proletariat freedom, the sexual realm- fulfilling their deepest fantasy of Droit du Seigneur and the Formalisation of their rule
So to answer your question, of course, have not we all?

>>4178828
americans
my god

Finish the sentence:
All I want for my birthday-

>>4178804
Is "edge", "fedora" etcetera not a self-imposed bourgeois mentality even on the ostensibly free, communal boards of 4chan? The irony, of course, is that without exception the very people decrying these things were at one time guilty themselves; it is a form of capitalist destruction over cultural capital in order to keep the treadmill running, so to speak; there must be 'progress' even if it is totally imagined. The result is that in a self-contained sphere of rapid dialogue, the 'right' and 'wrong' opinions become quickly formalised and shift far ahead of the 'real world'- the standards are in effect useless because the cultural capital exists in one sphere but not the next, an age-old capitalist trick
>>4178847
stalinism

what's your favorite question?

>>4178839

There's this girl at school that I think is really cute, and we always have a good time when we're just talking to each other, but I'm not sure how to tell if she really likes me, or whether I should ask her out. Do you have any advice for me, Slavoj Zizek?

why is philosophy as we know it today so closely tied to politics and social structure?

do you ever feel like you owe your relevance to your geographic context?

>>4178855
really existing socialism

why are you making this thread revealing yourself to be slovene philosopher and cultural critic slavoj zizek here, on this anonymous imageboard, and what are you expecting from doing so?

based on your answer i might stick around because i do have a few things i'd like to talk to zizek about

>>4178857
Is this not a banal, obscene recreation of stalinist show-trials?
of course, go for it

>>4178858
may I answer your question with another question
why are Croatians such monkeys?
>>4178860
paranoiac fan-tah-sies

>>4178869
yeah, go on. explain to me how you elaborate paranoia.

>>4178796
>implying Zizek knows how to use a computer beyond simple OCD typing scandals

Will you fuck my bitches? You can have all of them. Like damn. You went so hard on that Ontological Incompleteness in Film.

>>4178869
yeah, go on. tell me all about your elaborations on paranoia and go on telling me about how this is supposed to stand in as an answer to my real question

>>4178870
the conservative political commentator and my close personal friend Bill O'reilly gave me, as a gift, Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing- of course, an old verson intended for children as a kind of obscene joke about capitalist waste, the irony being of course that to me it was of great use, one mans trash being the treasure of another and so on

what is it like 5 am, huh? go to bed

>>4178876
>>4178872
this is the true paranoia

>>4178884
saged, buddy, and btw kys

>>4178882
bourgeois sleep schedules
my god

>>4178888
>bourgeois sleep schedules
do you even anthropology? that's rhetorical, of course, you horrible, horrible OP

>>4178796
What's your favorite book that you've written and why?

can you tell thomas pynchon to come on back and post here some more?

tia

>>4178895
bourgeois science
my god
>>4178900
The box acts as a kind of obscene supplement to the toilet, which is an obscene supplement in itself- the doubly obscene supplement cancels itself out and the toilet enters the domain of The Real; it is exactly this kind of analysis I want to provoke of liberal capitalist democracy, the toilet being a tool for this purpose
>>4178952
I ghostwrote several of the Goosebumps series in lieu of my close personal friend R.L. Stine, including Say Cheese and Die, The Ghost Next Door and my personal favourite How I Got My Shrunken Head- this is by far the most fruitful period of my work
>>4178953
thomas pynchon
my god

I'm hungry, what do you recommend?

>>4178972
>anthropology
>science
XD
are you rockefeller jr or WHAT

>>4179014
and i emphasize the WHA-T

>>4178850
t-this even makes sense, and it reads like zizek
how do we know this isn't really him?

>>4178837
Mr Sizek. Why are you more insightful writing blah on 4chan than in your books/lectures? Also, how much cocaine do you take per month on average?

>>4178878
guys I think this is really zizek

>>4179013
French Fries and Pepsi-Cola
>>4179018
>implying
my god

>>4179018
the whole point is that it is him; that your question of is it 'really' him is painfully misguided

do you even read faggot seriously

I watched a german documentary of you from perhaps '91, and though your accent was just as thick, the sniffling and lisping and shirt tugging were not there at all.

What drugs have you been doing?

>>4179025 or WHAT

>>4179023
I accidentally forgot to fill in my name after not wanting to attract undue attention posting threads about the jewish conspiracy on /pol/ and asking for pictures of the female cast of The Sarah Conner Chronicles feet on /tv/

>>4179023
No, fries are too fattening and I don't drink Soda.
I better get some coffee and go to bed.
Thanks for your recommendation but no thanks.

>>4178953
pynchon posted here?

>>4179033
I still do.

>>4179020
to measure in such a way is just a form the primordial sin of miserliness so I could not tell you

>>4179027
at the time I had not yet acquired a cold and my shirts better fit my admittedly ample frame

>>4179033
I still do.

>>4179042
The lisping though, what is causing this?
also, you've had a cold for twenty years?

>>4179038
ok. all the best Mr Z.

>>4179045
he got sick and stayed sick for the rest of his days peddling hate out the back of a chevy express each one a fart in the face of your idea of success

What is your opinion on Tao Lin?
Is he the Joyce of the 21st century?

>>4179045
I initially acquired the cold as a kind of marketing gimmick to promote 'enjoy your symptom' but it got quite out of hand, i agree

>>4179052
"enjoy your symptom"?

>>4178860
>what are you expecting from doing so?

>>4179050
Who is 'joyce'
What is 'the 21st century'
Where am I

>>4179056
>enjoy your symptom
i've never read it but i've found the title helpful. so helpful that i've avoided everyhing else by zizek too, except for some weird book about jesus

>>4179052
but continues acting so as to enjoy his symptom, justifying it ironically by continuing to act so as to enjoy his symptom, right, so ironic all this irony about irony, so wow

>>4179062
Joyce is the last name of James Joyce, popular author of the first half of the 20th century.
The 21st century is what goes from the year 2000 to the year 2099.
You are where you belong.

SZ - how did you find 4chan? how often do you come here? where else on the net would you recommend visiting?

>>4179067
>wow
I invented doge
this is well known in academia

Finally the one last true Philosopher! My god. Is it really you ,though? How can I be sure? Zizek what do you think of Tal In? What about the Hardy Boys? Hey what does this government shutdown mean to me anyways? Thanks friend, I feel like I can call you friend.

>>4179074
Hey another Q here friend, what about that It's Always Sunny in Philadephia ? Who's your favorite character and mine is Dennis.
Thank you

>>4179072
I was introduced to this website by the 'anonymous' collective protests which I participated in, not for any interest in community action but simply love of masks
the internet is a hostile and unfamiliar place and I am often deceived by claims of attractive women looking for casual sex in Slovenia or low-cost korean brides

favorite color

which is your favorite late night talk show television show and which is your favorite in-show band, currently and but then also historically, if you could give me two answers, or just mention that they're the same

>>4179074
I am unfamiliar, in slovenia we do not have Tal In, The Hardy Boys, Government of any kind, friends, and we have to walk ten miles to school in the snow
>>4179081
Charlie, the most handsome and stylish of the four
>>4179085
forest opal

so wow so doge so invent so ingenious so american engineering

>>4179093
I engineer dissent which doesn't really do anything but result in resignation and i get paid th big bux for it, u mad, kys, etc

>>4179103
imposters
my god

>>4179105
imposters
my god

>>4179105
you say impostors. i.e. you say the plural form of the word i.e. i.e. as if to imply there are other impostors i.e. other people that are pretending to be you but while only quoting one i.e. i.e. i.e. as if to imply that you're an impostor yourself i.e. as if you're only ever an impostor of yourself i.e. you're only ever an impostor of a cold-ridden guy and but that's O.K.-- why?

>>4179071
2001 to 2100, you mean

>>4179112
u got it all wrong bro
it stars with the year 0

>>4179112
tell me what i mean next

>>4179110
go back to your coffin, dfw

*sniffs and pulls shirt*

>>4179110
ish this not prcisheyl how ideolgosih feunctadionsfsferw

>>4179120
X' D ! ! ! ! !

If Slavoj was actually posting on /lit/ he'd have enough sense to time stamp.

>>4179133
I think it's pretty clear I would not

what do you think about the contradictions in the culture of 4chan? Like how the politics board decries "niggers" "faggots" and "memspouters", yet constantly has threads with pornographic images of black woman and boys dressed as girls, and constant spouts memes themselves, only newer ones.

>>4179155
Then fuck off dude, you know the rules.

>>4179160
the intolerant atmosphere of 4chan is symptomatic; the post-millennial generation of middle class white males which makes up the bulk of the site feel enormously disenfranchised by postmodern liberal politics- and rightfully so, to an extent; while there is a lot of stupid conservative blame put on these groups and liberals in general for economic conditions beyond their control, there is basically an entire generation of young men who were given no chance and no support in an incredibly traumatic time of cultural change- this new Lost Generation will be the ones to usher in whatever age comes after postmodernism and liberal capitalist democracy. They should already be proud of the culture they have collectively created in the frontier of virtual space, epitomized in 4chan

>>4179160
>it's all coming from the same person
How can people be so idiotic as you.

>>4179188
what do you think about the parallels of hikikomori and users of 4chan, and if you think the people of 4chan will be creating the post-liberal post-capitalist society of the west, what do you think about the effect hikikomori has on japan?

Rolling Stones or Beatles?

Pepsi or Coke?

Cats or Dogs?

Indica or Sativa?

>>4179188
proud

of 4chan
oh, my

>>4179188
>liberal

>not neoliberal
>not realizing he's living in the post-fordist era

>>4179238
Hikkikomori and the NEET users of 4chan are the defining Lumpenproletariat of the digital age; alienated not only from capital but the entire social and public sphere but able to be provided with their basic needs (food, shelter, electricity) which have become trivial to provide in developed countries
the standard tragic postmodern american lumpen figure is the black gang member who has no real economic escape and thus must turn to drugs, crime, etcetera- No! what we see in the unemployed middle class youth is much worse in that they have none of the ties of community, none of the social experience afforded to the gangster- who in a way has as full a life as any bourgeois. The NEET has all the surface characteristics of a fairly well-off, middle-class lifestyle but is envious of the classical figures of poverty, the gangster, the junkie etcetera- these are men who lack even the connections for a life of petty crime which would of course be much more satisfying

>>4179266
>not understanding the context in which liberal was used
>my god
>>4179254
The Stones, whose brief classic era provided the highest peaks of its musical age; the consistency of the Beatles output has fewer troughs but this is stupid music-as-commodity reasoning
coca-cola
of course dogs
sativa of course

>>4179287
xD

>>4179188
>>4179278
Why does Zizek sound like an alienated middle class youth who spends all his time on 4chan and needs to rationalize it as being essential to the emergence of the next age of history

>>4179287
if you haven't read Svenonius' The Psychic Soviet yet, I'd highly recommend it. There's a great essay on the Stones/Beatles rift and what it means for a post-USSR political economy

>>4179292
>implying I, slovene philosopher and cultural critic slavoj zizek would spend all my time on this hellhole
>implying the 4chan ride goes anywhere and isn't a symptom
>implying you shouldn't enjoy your symptom as in my book available at many leading retails for a reasonable price

>>4179292
>no fun allowed

and actually i bet if you called Zizek an alienated middle class youth he might agree with you

>>4179306
>implying I was implying it isn't the real zizek

and yeah, I could see that. I was just kind of projecting my own situation before, since what he was saying about 4chan is basically what I want to believe is true, as an alienated middle-class youth

>>4179303

What's with all the posturing? Why can't you be more empirical?

>>4179319
this is the one of the classic response of the anarchist 'radical' left
my equally classic response is that you should say that to my face pretty boy and see what happens

>>4179321

Well, thank you for validating my point, I guess.

>>4179323
thank your mother for validating my point

>>4179319
>>4179321
#rekt

/lit/ is the best board on 4chan

>>4179328
your mom jokes
my god

>>4179333
>my god
my god

This has been a fruitful discussion but, of course, my time has come to an end and I must go
my home planet needs me

>>4179341

>>4179342

>>4179342

>>4179331
this.i wish it were more active

>>4179344

>>4179348
goodbye comrades

>>4179349
he truly was the king of kings

>>4179365
was it even him?

>>4179389

>>4179389
Indubitably
Where else would he find those images of himself?

>>4179389
who was that masked slovene philosopher and cultural critic, anyway

Where can i pirate your new movie?

>>4178878
guys help I can't breathe what does this say about capitalist power structures

Best /lit/ thread for ages.

I really dislike communist, for their, lack of cognitive thinking skills. I find most of what they think to be retarded and missing points...
I dont think that you can be free, and be a commie, therefore it is a slave mentality.
I also view communisma s a religion. There is no way you are going to tell me that you do not worship and wank to some kind of abstract philosophy, where we are all equal. Newsflash - we are not. Your thinking has been in vian.
I do feel that the future is a more sharing economy, without borders, less government, and countries as linguistic concepts also.
In a few lines, try to make me a commie.

>>4179466
no

>>4179466
I really, really hope English isn't your first, or even second language.

>>4179466
>>4179466
You know who's asking for your malformed, badly written opinion?
Nobody.
Also, Zizek is not Marxist neither are any respectable thinkers today. Post-Marxism is what is in nowadays

>>4179466
certainly we are not equal, but we want to allow all people, irrespective of their situation, to live equally satisfying lives.

>>4179482
...You're an idiot. Zizek is a self identifying Marxist. So is Spivak. So is Badiou. So is Harvey. So is Negri. So is literally every front-running accademic in the humanities who isn't living in a cloister writing books about Beowulf.

I think Chantal Mouffe is a post-marxist, but I'm not sure whether or not she's dead because she's not very important..

>>4179466
>some kind of abstract philosophy, where we are all equal. Newsflash - we are not. Your thinking has been in vian.

I must be onto something, if the grammer nazis commies come to the floor...keep worshiping your mentaly retared ideal. wonder what zizeks iq would test for? as he is a plebs, i put him under 95

>>4179540
Underageb&

Is this thread an example of what Zizek meant when he was talking about how some beliefs function even if no one really believes them? We really don't know if OP was Zizek or not but for the purpose of the thread, we chose to believe he was and the same goes for the OP. He somewhat expertly imitated Zizek's style, trying to imitate his thought-process - even if he obviously does NOT believe that he is Zizek himself.

The result has been a pleasantly informative thread with lots of discussion and we all leave with a sense of enjoyment, knowing that probably everything said in it was a complete fabrication. Very interesting.

>>4179278
Just as the Drug Dealer is the Merchant at its most basic, reduced to abstraction, is not the figure of the pimp the most basic, original bourgeois? The primordial rent-seeking of a man offering sexual use of one or more female partners of his own- the term 'means of production' here at its comical, obscene root

>>4179563
Excellent impersonation. Or is it you Zizek?

>>4179563
I would use the word vulgar instead of comical ehre
very good impression though.

>>4179565
perhaps you're zizek

>This thread.

>>4179585
My god! I wish.

fake
if slavoj zizek wastes all his time on 4chan how does he find enough to deliver presents to every girl and boy in a single night every year

>>4179598

Best fucking thread on /lit/.

>>4179598
Don't ruin it for the kids

This guy does a better Zizek than Zizek.

Have I been good this year?

>>4179760
is christmas, the act of giving presents, not either a good thing that suggests a kind of socialist spirit or a bad thing that promotes capitalism?
I am not sure myself

>>4179810
He's a fat moralist that puts coal in your mouth or rapes you once a year if you haven't behaved in accordance with his arbitrarily contrived ethical standard of behavior.

Thank you, Zizek. Would read again.

>>4179301
holy shit I've never heard anyone on lit reference this. I have a signed copy from a show

>>4179810

It promotes materialism, and in any case, Christmas as it is today is Western capitalism's holiest day

>>4178878
>Slovene Philosopher and Cultural Critic Slavoj Zizek
>Writes Sarah Conner.
Why?! You were the chosen one!

>>4179301
>>4180291

he's written a book? I'm dismissive of anything he produces considering he calls what he does with his vocal chords "singing."

>>4180330
It's a super fun read, I highly recommend it. He has interesting ideas regardless of his perceived singing talent

>Following Seinfeld's appearance on network television, urban centers across the country were stunningly "revitalized": property values soared, chain stores invested and the bourgeoisie scrambled to infest the broken metropoli they had previously shunned. Coincidence? No.
Unbeknownst to Seinfeld's faithful, they were exalting a show with a mission.

>>4178796
Why should I ask you anything Slav-oj? I'd rather have a beer!

>>4180379
And now that I think it. That is a question in itself.

>>4179518
Welp, apparently people lied to me on the internet and on a book I bought. Who could do such a thing?

>>4180404

Smartfox...

Zizek, do you think that the Beatles arrival represented a lifesaver for a white middle class terrorized by the idea that within rock and roll lay a true revolution of customs? And furthermore, the Beatles represented the reaction against a social and political revolution, replacing the image of angry kids with their fists in the air, with cordial faces and amiable declarations. Replacing accusatory words of militant musicians with overindulgent nursery rhymes?

>be slovene me
>wake up in puddle of sweat
>kiss my stalin-chan a good morning ;..;
>routine check of the website of my close friend, israeli merchant and neoplatonist Christopher Poodle
>scratching of beard and ear intensifies
>my tics when some chomskyist agent provocateur impersonifies me on aforementioned website of my greatest ally

my god...

>>4180496
Maybe I can be your Stalin-chan tonight~

>>4178796
How does it feel to be retarded?

>>4180686
How does it feel to be American?

>>4180686
>>4180706


Isn't that the same question essentially?
ba dum tss!

hegel was wrong

marx was wrong

freud was wrong

lacan was a hack

none of these are questions

>>4178796

Its peak when eye see u, fam. you are gettin' crippled, slavoj. en-joy your legs while they remain attached to your trunk by sinews and shit...

Hegel’s last words, "And he didn’t understand me", were previously interpreted to refer to all of his students as a single person. However, his newly discovered notebooks indicate that during his final days Hegel developed his dialectic so far that he was able to predict the future movements of history in such detail that he realized the historical inevitability of a hyperactive Slovenian man explaining his Philosophy entirely through anal sex metaphors. This discovery haunted him until his final moments.

>>4183093
I believe it was my close personal friend Timothy Geithner who once said "I do not agree with what you have to say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

It became clear to me after a few weeks that I was being haunted by Slavoj Zizek. I was in the hallway, trying to look like I wasn't walking a bit faster to catch up to a girl I like. I say her name, she turns around and smiles. I make small talk and hope she doesn't notice my anxiety. It was something in my peripheral vision which distracted me from her full and perfect lips. A shadow. I ignored it and asked her if she wanted to get some coffee. "I don't drink coffee." She replied. I could only timidly mumble "I-It's ok, I don't have any coffee." This was the trigger. I looked on the ground and saw cultural critic Slavoj Zizek, smiling a goofy grin and giving two thumbs up. I looked back up, the girl was now Hegel. I have never stopped screaming.

>>4178878
losing my shit

this is hilarious

>>4178972
fucking say cheese and die

>>4179033
Yeah he casually unsolved the whole 49 Conspiracy

What's the difference between Slovakia and Slovenia?

>>4185577
>What's the difference between Slovakia and Slovenia?
Slovakia is north-eastern, Slovenia is south-western. Roughly.

>>4178796
What is the difference between hermeneutics and semiotics?

>>4185618
One is a viable reading method, the other is practiced by linguists.

>>4185650
That distinction is crap. And maybe is because I have wrongly formulated the question. So let me rephrase it:

What are the relations, and the parallelisms between hermeneutics and semiotics?

>>4185663
One is a science on how humans relates to signs and symbols the other is a method used to gain knowledge about the world.

>>4185663
>That distinction is crap.
Given that linguistics has been heated up tripe to me for years, that distinction is the only substantive one.

I've never read Zizek, but after reading this thread I'm really wanting to now, especially if OP is portraying an accurate representation of how he writes.

>>4185698
you do not 'read' Zizek, but merely experience him

>>4185698
Actually reading his books would put you in a very small minority of the /lit/ posters who talk about him, but you definitely should. For obvious reasons he is more lucid written down that spoken. He's an interesting and potentially a very important thinker
Depending on what kind of subject interests you I'd recommend either The Parallax View, Living In The End Times or The Monstrosity of Christ as introductions

>>4179266

>post fedorist

Thoughts on Durkheim

>>4185968
Do you need to read Lacan before reading Zizek?

>>4187760
Poor Zizek.

>>4178796
is it really you?
my god!

Some funny answers, OP.
But not enough Lacan, and you forgot to quote his favorite Christian.

why is vegetarianism a degeneracy?

I do believe this thread deserves at least one more day of life

http://mediadarlings.net/2012/07/20/slavoj-zizek-talks-about-the-dark-knight-rises/

required reading

Is this thread not how ideologee funchions? [sniff]

>>4178837
lol

you actually sound like him

>>4179563
I like the addition of formerly in what appears to be your last post.

So,uhh, what is the deal with Marx ? Does he fundamentally misunderstand Hegel? Does he not understand or disagree with the dominant platonic rhetorical styling of the day? I believe none of the above to be the case, but I can't account for how well received it was for something that I believe to be intentionally revolting.

Do you have any insight into why the middle class has failed to rise to their new found position as the capitalist aristocracy? Is their any hope for society to mend it's relation to the transcendent/ virtue/ the higher good?

Don't think the thread is still alive but worth a shot.

Comrade Zizek, why haven't you accepted the Marxist-Leninist-Maoism way of understanding the world yet? It's really good and a superior form of Marxist-Leninism.

>>4178796
>philosophy
>>>/lit/

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