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All pleasure and no work also makes Jack a dull boy.

Where is moderation? And why does nobody seem to want it?

>>4143278
>As for pleasure, pirates, catamites, parricides, and tyrants have enjoyed it to the full
and this makes it bad?

>>4143358
Certainly means it shouldn't be used as the basis of a virtuous life. you can be swept away at any moment.

>>4143278
Discipline, self-control and pleasure in moderation works best for me, so I also stand with the Stoics. That said, I have friends who are quite the hedonists, and that lifestyle seems to works perfectly well for them.

"absolutes and concrete ideologies are fucking retarded" -some guy

>>4143278
If you like the stoics read this one. They guy is a bit nuts tho, he advocates discomfort to enjoy life more. e.g. turning off the a/c in your car in winter and other inane shit.

>>4143278
Faggot pls.

A mix of both.
I think stoicism can lead to emotional repression and major issues in the individual, but not all pleasure is good surely.
Sometimes we just do things because they feel good, and sometimes things feel good because we think they are right.

>>4143422
>implying he wasn't basically a stoic

>>4143278
>As for pleasure, pirates, catamites, parricides, and tyrants have enjoyed it to the full
Not true. A life of a pirate or any other such violent gang member is living hell. Tyrants live in a state of paranoia and fear. Parricide is hideously traumatic.

That's what I say.

>>4143408
i dont believe in -isms!! i believe in me!!

I stand with the catamites.

>>4143410
>They guy is a bit nuts tho, he advocates discomfort to enjoy life more.
Nothing nuts about that. It's a technique as old and well-known as humanity itself.

>>4143432
>A life of a pirate or any other such violent gang member is living hell.
Hah.

#YOLO
Thug lyfe
Bitches 'n cocaine

I didn't want to start a new thread so I just searched for Marcus Aurelius and found this one.
Tomorrow I'm going to my grandpa funeral during what is one of the worst time of my life. Seeing as this board told me that they found great joy and aid whilst reading Marcus Aurelius' Meditations I'm in need of further aid. I'm close to falling asleep now but I need to what chapters, if there are any(I haven't opened the book yet) chapters dealing with death and how to cope with it. I'd also like if you could tell me if there any, and if so where, chapters handling love.
It would be of great help bros

pic semi related

>>4143776
I don't remember enough of Meditation to recommend a specific passage, but The Enchiridion by Epictetus is another stoic text that might help. Sorry for your loss. Good luck anon. http://classics.mit.edu/Epictetus/epicench.html

There's not much difference between them

epicurus is a platitudinous bitch with nothing real to say

aurelius or go home

>tfw you know you are patrician because while all the plebs are wallowing in the mud with their quietist ethics and trying to figure out the best way to get over some shattered pottery they just purchased you are going straight to the metaphysics for a closer relationship with the primeval logos

>>4143776

Phaedo by Plato is a good read if you want to feel ok about death. It's basically Socrates on his death bed telling everyone why he isn't at all afraid to die.

>>4143278
Epicurean pleasure is negative hedonism not the positive hedonism of those in that example. If that comment was a genuine stab at Epicurus MA is really showing his ignorance

>>4143422

My nigga.

>>4143427

The stoics don't have the shamelessness of the Cynics.

>>4143427
>Implying the stoics had any chance of achieving the freedom and eudaimonia of the cynic lifestyle.

Marcus Aurelius confirmed for making no sense. Catamites, pirates, and tyrants are all types of people. Parracide is an event. Marcus, king of the failed parallelism.

>>4144123

hope you realize he didn't literally write that. I mean, that's just some guy's translation.

Does it even matter anymore? They are both taken a priori.

>>4144159

Holy fuck what a meaningless post.

>>4143426
>stoicism can lead to emotional repression
>Implying that's not the point

Expressing unpleasant emotions is way worse than repressing them.

>>4144166

Assuming they don't force their way out by other means once you've repressed them.

I was angry with my friend
I told my wrath, my wrath did end
I was angry with my foe
I told it not and watched it grow

when i remember, i am a stoic, it's just that i am constantly forgetting.

>>4144159
>implying i learnt shit

>>4143410
Tell me you don't appreciate a hot shower after a week long hike or a restaurant meal after surviving on mie-goreng for a month.

>>4144185
What? I'm implying that the two ideas are past the point of debate as they are both part of the foundation of modernity.

not a fan of the stoics and epicurus is great

im imagining lonely 4channers walking around "i am a stoic god damn it" and its making me feel depressed for you losers

>>4144279
that implies something past last tuesday, if that happened, which i'm not sure about since i forgot. that feels like an angry sentence i think i wrote such emotion seems at odds with solipsism as i conceive of it now in relation to myself. maybe there is such a thing as an angry solipsist. maybe i'm just shit posting.

>>4144284
Are you? Doesn't matter to me.

>>4144286
It wouldn't matter if I was.

>>4144289
Agreed, I still want to know, but I'll be okay either way.

>>4143278
>not analysing the components of your intentions and realizing that posting on this board is merely a means to fulfill your own ego and thus subjecting yourself to the animal impulses rather than social good.

No one here is a Stoic

>>4144156

And what, pray tell, is the nominative of "parracide?" It's a latinate word to begin with. . . So it's obviously not solely a problem with translation.

how boring that an emperor would create works with the philosophy of "accept what happens and be a good citizen"

>>4144294
Me too, entity.

blow me stoics

>>4144297
>implying man isn't a social animal
>implying social interaction isn't as necessary as food and water
>implying stoics didn't know this

>>4144303
go outside u fuckin nerd

blow me

whats the best affordable lubes

>>4144303
>"implying man isn't a social animal"
>implying ubermenschen aren't exempt from this

>>4144336
>implying it's not the same wille zur macht

>>4144301
Amen.

am i banned

>>4144299

>It's a latinate word to begin with

It's a good thing Marcus Aurelius was writing in Greek then, you fucking retard.

Even if Epicureanism is more pleasurable for the individual, i would prefer to live in a civilization built on stoic values.

As Will Durant says, a nation is born stoic, and dies epicurean. I don't know a single successful civilization which was built on epicurean values.

>>4144434
you idiot, this is why democracy became optional.

banned yet?

>>4144457
not yet my little squirrelbrained nuclear charge, have you read the green child?

>>4144459
i haven't and i've been looking for something interesting to read actually, i'll read it asap and get back to you

>>4144459
thanks/love u

>>4144478
daumal hasn't shown up yet which can make both of us sad. <3u2 watch black moon good luck w/ getting banned asking for lube

>>4144299
>>>/somewhere else/

>>4143776

Don't read stoic works.

They will just make you feel worse. Stoics are a bunch of faggot normalfags.

Read Stirner. It is the truth.

>>4144166
I have respressed my emotions to the point of apathy and it's not pleasant being in such a state. I wish I never were in such a state. I'm not very emotional, but I can get very angry and irritated. It's not healthy.

how does one pronounce stoic/stoicism

>>4144166
what is that image from

>>4145095
Sto - ich
Sto - i - cism

>>4143278
I disagree with both, because I think negative/undesirable emotions are just as essential and important to the development of a strong character as positive/pleasurable ones.

>>4145106
good thats how i was doing it

>>4144012
my ngga

>>4143358
Yeah, it's a total Argumentum ad Hitlerum. >Having fun, eh? Well, you know who else had fun... Nero. That horsefucker.

>>4143404
OK, if you put it like that it's more reasonable.

>>4143427
Stoicism is basically petit-bourgeois cynicism for the weak. It was founded because Zeno couldn't hack being a cynic any more.

>>4143278
I agree, how ever they do not know happiness.
Happiness>Pleasure
Pleasure does not grant happiness