/lit/ - Literature

Because the divorce from reality that is essential to their craft keeps them from maintaining reasonable standards of health, hygiene and social interaction.

Because fat and creepy neckbeards use the fantasy genre to escape the Real conditions of their existence.

>>4138320
cause they are the only ones obsessed with dragons and that bullshit

>>4138324

It's even creepier when you actually read fantasy

like George RR Martin

In the first book a little thirteen year old girl gets raped by a giant thug and then falls in love with him after getting raped

>tfw this is the shit neckbeard creeps actually think about

This thread is the first time I've laughed-out-loud while at /lit/ in a long time.

>>4138327
You are now aware Germy had a big ol' boner while writing that scene.

>>4138327
Not to mention copious amounts of incest.

>>4138327
>In the first book a little thirteen year old girl gets raped by a giant thug

She consents in the books. I think she was raped in the show though.

Was tolkein a fat neckbeard?

>>4138330

i wonder if he had a boner where littlefinger bones the creepy old chick

or where sansa almost gets raped after her clothes get stripped off by poor people

or where cersei is humiliated and slut shamed and paraded naked around king's landings

>>4138330
You mean a teeny little boner barely visible between between the folds of his shaggy pubic fat

>>4138334

Was it raped?

>>4138335

No, he was a disinfo agent for MI6. When they were considering collaborating with the Nazis under Chamberlain they hired him to create a classified artificial language to convince the British people of the existence of a foreign country that didn't really exist, and to fabricate archaeological evidence for it. They let him go after Churchill became PM and told him he could continue to use the language as long as he didn't reveal its origins. This information is all classified, so I'm sure I'll have men in black suits knocking at my door any day now.

>>4138335
he was a creepy neckbeard

>>4138334

Was it rape?

Isaac Asimnov was not a neckbeard.
He taught organic chemistry at Boston University and had a wife and kids.

>>4138349
He was a nerd, but he was an OK nerd

>>4138349

OP said fantasy writers not science fiction writers

Besides Asimov also wrote about real shit like mathematics and anatomy

The science fiction was just a sideline

>Reading a fantasy novel set in fictional place based on ancient Japan
>First scene is a rape scene

>Reading fantasy novel about fictional world based on medieval Europe
>First few chapters about how main character is afraid of getting raped by her dad
>Put that shit down

>Reading another fantasy novel
>Female main character constantly threatened with rape by absolutely fucking everyone

Why are fantasy writers so obsessed with rape, it's really creep

>>4138356
Science Fiction is fantasy. Unless, of course, you want to believe it is actually 'science' in which event, lol you.

>>4138349
>>4138355
He also said that "he didn't think a woman could write that well" when he met Ursula K Leguin. In the intro to one of his sci-fi anthologies.

>>4138361
Well it's not like he was one of the best ever writers himself

>>4138360

Fantasy writers are more obsessed with portraying and promoting "conservative" values, and old fashioned traditions.

AKA Rape Culture.

>that pic

Wow George R.R. Martin sure has got fat.

>>4138359
That's like how it was back then or something, even though it's an entirely fictional world and I have almost no knowledge of actual history

>>4138359
Because that's how human sexuality was (and should be). That's how humans fuck.

Females guarded by their close males would be raped as soon as stronger males overpowered their guardians, or their guardians were corrupted.

>>4138361
you do realise that was before feminism and political correctness

>>4138371
Every one of the 4 girls I've been with had a rape fantasy

It's not magic

>>4138369
>>4138370
lmao

>>4138374
haha

>>4138372
Looking at his Wiki article apparently he considered himself a feminist. Doesn't sound like he was a very good one, haha!

>>4138369
>That's like how it was back then or something, even though it's an entirely fictional world and I have almost no knowledge of actual history

yup, typical fantasy author mindset

>>4138373
Maybe that says more about the kind of women who are attracted to you than it does about women in general

>>4138380
Most women have that fantasy, many simply want "aggressive sex" because their conscience feels guilty from actually having a rape fantasy, because of what feminism tells them.

It's what females have been conditioned to enjoy throughout millions of years of evolution, just because it doesn't seem pleasant to think so doesn't make it untrue.

>>4138380
every survey of female sex fantasies has rape at the top, and that's not counting those who probably lie about it due to the stigma

>>4138382
Maybe it wasn't millions of years of evolution but thousands of years of evolving Rape Culture?

>>4138382
No women actually WANT to get raped.

It's just a fantasy.

>>4138386
And who do you think they want to be raped by? Certainly not you, lol.

>>4138385
where does culture come from

>>4138385
You think that before the last few thousands of years sex was always consensual and everyone were equal?

Do you actually want to kill real people because you enjoy killing fake ones in GTA V? I don't think so. Fantasy is not reality

>>4138387
just like how no men actually want to have threesomes, it's just a fantasy

>>4138387
It's not "just" a fantasy, you can't dismiss it as so.

In civilization, women get to choose who they are "raped" by. Prior to it or in earlier stages of it, they didn't have this privilege, and would sometimes suffer or enjoy the rape depending on the context and person.

>>4138392
Yes. That was the time of Matriarchal paradise, before Civilization was developed and White Males started taking all of the power for themselves.

>>4138387
>No women actually WANT to get raped.

because of the social stigma, not because of the act. you might say they are oppressed by the anti-rape culture

>>4138394
If I fantasize about killing people, yes I do want to kill people.

If I fantasize about getting raped or raping, it's a desire I have. The only reason I may not do it is because of the negative consequences it may have and the risks involved due to me living in a civilized society.

>>4138396
>In civilization, women get to choose who they are "raped" by.

But they don't get to choose who they are raped without quotes by.

>>4138399
Were Mongolians white too? They raped half the Earth

George RR Martin - /r9k/ style misogynite

Terry Brooks - /tg/fag who doesn't realize every single one of his ideas was already used by Tolkien

Terry Goodkind - /pol/tard

JRR Tolkien - Pretentious hipster liberal art major who never chose to study anything useful society, instead being an academic man child and making up fairy stories

CS Lewis - Like JRR Tolkien, but for homeschooled, socially inept Christfags

a lot of the contemporary fantasy writers are neckbeards. This goes back to the 30s. The guy that wrote Conan was a major misogynist neckbeard, he even wore a fedora and wrote in the "euphoric" style of r/atheist posters. In the 1970s there was a series of books called Thomas Covenant, which was written by the neckbeard Stephen R. Donaldson who fantasized about rape. That's why the hero was a rapist, because the book was written by a creepy socially maladjusted neckbeard.

>>4138394

Don't tell me you don't think about how fun it would be to kill people for real when you play violent video games?

>>4138409
Let's not start about fat female writers, at least these people can write semi competently

>>4138396
If they get to choose who they get raped by it's hardly rape.

>>4138336
>raping sansa.
>Not just killing her and go have breakfast with friends.
Why?!

>>4138415

>Demeaning fat female writers who successfully write and sell their personal fantasies, such as in the romance, horror etc genres

>Defending pulp hacks like the nerd who wrote Conan the Barbarian, an equally self indulgent masturbatory fantasy

>>4138359
Fictionalized fantasy Japan? Color me curious. What book?

>>4138413
I don't play violent video games. Perhaps people who play them do, but I suspect they just don't think about it.

>>4138418

All sex is rape.

if GRRM is a misogynist, why does he have such a large female readership?

Every time I see a girl who is pretty I think of raping them. That horrible fantasy of mine makes me want to kill myself

>>4138421

Tales of the something-or-other. My school library in high school had pocket-sized, shortened versions of the books, I think they were each segments of a longer book.

>>4138425
No

>>4138426
He's not a misogynist, he's just disgusting and tasteless and a bad writer

>>4138425
what about lesbian sex

>>4138430

That's different, lesbian sex is not a form of institutionalized patriarchal oppression

>>4138430
That just doubles the rape

>>4138425

>>4138431
Yes it is

>>4138425
*tips homburg*

>>4138433
all sex with dworkin is rape... and she ain't the victim

>>4138399

>tfw this is what some New Agers actually believe

The creator of conan was a actually a feminist, which was weird because it was the early 1900's, also in texas.
Also he worked out a lot (because he was bullied nerd) and did not have a beard

>Howard had an egalitarian attitude towards women. The Junto was an amateur journal circulated within a small social circle and initially edited by Howard's friend Harold Preece. After Preece wrote an article for this journal called "Women: A Diatribe" with the conclusion that there was no such thing as an intellectual woman, Howard responded in the next issue with his own article lauding intellectual women from Sappho to the early Gnostics:[12][13]
>You're right; women are great actors. But I cant agree with you in your statement that the great women can be counted on the fingers of one hand. Men have sat at the feet of women down the ages and our civilization, bad or good, we owe to the influence of women... Let us look at the records of the great women.
—Robert E. Howard, Excerpt from a letter to Harold Preece, December 1928

you know what fantasy writer actually was a fedora'd "gentleman" though? David Gemmell.

>>4138409
>JRR Tolkien - Pretentious hipster liberal art major who never chose to study anything useful society, instead being an academic man child and making up fairy stories
>CS Lewis - Like JRR Tolkien, but for homeschooled, socially inept Christfags

>>4138409
>Using the term "man child"
>2013
And by the way, I don't like Martin's style but his depiction of men and women is pretty decent.
>Every man wanting to rape women
Lack of education and values, plus it's a war. Not everybody would do it, but LOTS of people will think it's rape time.
Think it's unlikely? Read more history.
Not a century ago we had a period of history full of rape and cruelty at it's best, right when we thought we were civilized humans who lived a golden age thanks to science.
life can be very harsh at war, especially for women.

>>4138420
I don't know about conan, I was defending tolkein

>>4138456
Women have absolutely no idea how lucky they are to be benefactors of male created civilization.

>>4138474
>male created civilization.
That's a bit of a problem. I consider men and women to be equal intellectually.
We are all a bunch of stupid delusional monkeys, it doesn't matter much who is smarter or stronger as long as we learn to row towards the direction of civilization.
Just kidding, we're fucked. A dystopian future awaits.

Find your fantasy and drown in it. Choosing life is also ok.

>>4138320
Because they spend their time writing and eating too much.

>>4138482
But males created civilization

>>4138485
Colored man, I think you don't really know how primitive human society worked.

>>4138494
...okay? that's still not females

>>4138482
Intellect doesn't matter when you can't use it. Men develop their intellect as a result of a combination of self-discipline, necessity, and revenge. Women are mostly given a free ride and not much is expected from them, and so their intellect never quite develops as much. Even when you see them working "impressive" jobs (for a woman! says your subconscious) like biomedical researcher or nanotech engineer, they have an easier time at work and are given more leeway, more positive attention and feedback, etc. than men.

Because they are happy with who they are.

>>4138502
Holy shit I would have never thought of that

>ITT

>>4138513
Maybe you would feel more at home on tumblr :-)

>>4138516
stop trying to ghettoize me you fat, creepy neckbeard.

>>4138495
>How was civilization created?
The answer is not a bodyless nose.

>>4138499
So it's not because they are women, but because our society.
From now on I'll tell every woman I meet to czech their privilege.

>>4138513
Also known as "facts".

>>4138320
because those are the sort of people who read fantasy

c'mon now

>>4138456

Game of Thrones is a fantasy setting, not real history

>>4138535
a fantasy setting based on real history. why is that so hard to understand?

>>4138355
>Browsing /lit/
> Implying you are not a nerd
Why are you abandoning your 4eyed brothers.

>>4138523
I don't like people suffering IRL. However I like unadulterated stories. If there's rape there's rape. If there's murder there's murder. Unless the story is placed in lollipop street from sweety city candyland county I want bad things to happen. Not because I'm a cruel fucktard but because I consider it a realistic addition to the story which should not be censored at all.

>>4138548

I like reading stories where people suffer because I don't get to see people suffer in real life

I want to see people being beaten and raped and murdered so I can point and laugh at their misfortune

>>4138554
>the point ==> .

>billions and billions of years/light.


>you.

High fantasy is all about escapism and fat neckbeards are totally into escapism

>>4138446
He was just all around a cool guy and most of his work was uncharacteristically optimistic given the popular style and thought of the era.
Too bad that he choose to die so young...

Pkd is the only neckbeard I will accept as one of my own

When you are a Fantasy writer, you often have to write with your gut.
The bigger your gut is, the more you can write, the more you get paid and spend to enlarge your gut.
It is a vicious cycle, but it gets the job done, and many a Fantasy writer dies fatter and happier than your average Dick or Jane.

>>4138513
But most of the posters itt are expressing opinions that we generally wouldn't call "male."

>>4138607
If anything less than 100% of posts are SRS approved, the feminists start a thread on /q/ asking moot to ban everyone.

>>4138614
/q/ has been deleted for a while, though. Thankfully.

>>4138614
What's Q?
Questing?!
captcha: suppose NEINdeyth

>talking about rape in fantasy
>mfw there's "literary" fiction with things a hundred times worse but we just conveniently forget about that when we want to bash some geeks

itt cherrypicking so we can insult some nerds

also 10/10 at the person who said that Robert E. Howard was a neckbeard misogynist

>>4138625
It was a board where people could post complaints about 4chan. It quickly became a board where people would throw hissyfits about /pol/ and/or feminists. Moot finally got the right idea and put the board out of its misery.

>>4138335
No, Tolkien was an upper-class thin British guy in a tweed suit.

(Think Sherlock Holmes.)

If he was creepy or not -- that's up to you and your personal opinion of the British.

>>4138359
>Why are fantasy writers so obsessed with rape, it's really creep
Because human power dynamics in societies is one of the main themes of fantasy, much more so than in other genres.

>>4138652
This.
/thread?

>>4138320
U wot m8?

>>4138420
>>Defending pulp hacks like the nerd who wrote Conan the Barbarian, an equally self indulgent masturbatory fantasy
Not quite. Howard put quite a bit of self-irony and metafictional shenanigans into his works.

You make it sound like Conan is some sort of wish-fulfillment, while it's nothing at like it.

>>4138320
>they are oppressed by the anti-rape culture
>In civilization, women get to choose who they are "raped" by
>If I fantasize about killing people, yes I do want to kill people.

What the fuck am i reading?

>>4138669
c'mon, anon. you can't expect these people to go through the trouble of actually reading a book before writing it off as bigoted trash.

Are there any black writers of fantasy?

>>4138702
>Inb4 WTF blacks can write?

>>4138702
frantz fanon

>>4138702
alexandre dumas

>>4138710
kek

>>4138327
>Implying loli rape and incest are bad things

>>4138399
I really hate these kinds of jokes. They're just stale and invite ill company.

>>4138714

>>4138722
He was black, at least in part

>>4138359
>first scene of a dark fantasy in a fictional place based on Miedieval Europe written by a Japanese author features consensual sex between a man and a demon

>>4138731
That still doesn't make him a fantasy writer

>>4138746
It may not be high fantasy, with dragons and elves and whatnot, but his tales of knights and their principles and whatnot is still fantasy.

>>4138765
Boy, you'r reaching.

>>4138733
HWAT?
Do want

>>4138782
Berserk

>>4138782

It's not a novel, but you should read Berserk if that's appealing to you. Dark horse does a good translation of it, scanlations are sketchy at best.

>>4138409
Wow, I'm surprised nobody's taken the bait here on Donaldson. I'll do it.

The rapist character in those books is supposed to be repellant, and is treated like shit by the other characters over it. It's really dark and isn't sexual titillating at all, it's horrifying.

>>4138702
Octavia Butler
N.K. Jesmin

I'm sure there's probably a few more. Butler is pretty widely respected, and Jesmin is an up-and-comer

>>4138327
>>4138332
those themes are prevalent throughout history not fantasy, and tbh ASOIAF is closer to the former than the latter, at least for the first few books

>>4138396
ITT: no women

>>4138369
>>4138370
>>4138387
>>4138396
you guys are fuckin craaaaayyyyzeeee

>>4138455
rofl'd my fedora

>>4138702
samuel r delany?

>>4138817

>>4138455
>pretentious
I thought we all agreed to stop using such a retarded term that was born from American anti-intellectualism

>>4138942
>the use of the word "pretentious" is the only problem you have with that post

>>4138949
>yes it is

>>4138949
I stopped reading at the word, so it is.

People who like fantasy are all fascists.
>"b-but muh cult of tradition"
>"b-but muh irrationalism"
>"b-but muh anti-intellectualism"
>"b-but muh elitism"
>"b-but muh plutocracy"
You're all fucking egotistical misanthropes!

fucking defending the rape of girls....
disgusting
seriously you are disgusting people

>>4138965
You must have to ignore at least 20% of /lit/ posts if that's the case.

the lack of fat writers in other genres surprise me. you'd think writers being readers, which is a sedentary activity, would be fat white fucks

>>4138973
especially since fantasy is read more for pleasure than anything
it's all wish fulfillment
>"oh wouldn't it be neato if I could just KILL people I don't like?"
>"everything is so simple and meaningful hyuk hyuk"
guess what life isn't

and doesn't all of this seem kind of fucked up in light of actual conflicts of the world? like how many girls are actually getting raped in the world today
it's a lot
>"buh buh buh"

>>4138973
>People who like fantasy are all fascists.

Top lel Nice generalisation bro.

Replace the word rape with live and it sounds much nice

>assault and love
>love and battery
>statutory love

Etc

>>4138975
Yeah, it's fucking annoying

>>4138973
Those who are defending the rape of girls, don't actually know any. Or have not had genuine contact with them in a very long time, if ever.

Put your idiot selves in their shoes. Imagine walking down a dark street at night and being dick-assaulted by a greasy niggerthug, risking stds and being scarred for life. Do you think that falls anywhere on the spectrum of acceptable?

>>4138973
I'd rape a hot girl. Most girls want be raped whether they know it or not

>>4138334
>no
>no?
>yes

Stop making me feel bad about enjoying fantasy literature.

>>4139024
I honestly can't think of a single experience in life that someone somewhere on 4chan hasn't made me feel bad about enjoying.

>>4138413
I don't though.

>>4138334
not sure I remember that, who are you talking about?

>>4138426
I've never read GRRM and I'm not planning to, but I kind of like the show and can't say it's misogynistic in any other way that it portrays a society based largely on medieval Europe where life for women sucked. Especially when compared with other fantasy I've read the amount of diverse female characters is kind of amazing actually.

>>4138982
that's retarded. fantasy is read for pleasure, yes, there is a lot of wish-fulfillment going on, yes, but this usually has to be contrasted by a lot of darkness to feel meaningful, otherwise it's just flaccid and unengaging. it doesn't mean that the darkness itself is the wish-fulfillment (not saying that's never true, but still)

>>4138669
>self-irony and metafictional shenanigans

I've actually read all of Howard's Conan work and I didn't really catch any of that... Could you elaborate a little? Or maybe link to a journal article or something?

Because fat neckbeards develop an imaginative interior life because of their fat neckbeardedness.

>>4139076
daenarys ovb

I remember when I had an OKCupid account this girl that had Game of Thrones in her TV section of her profile ignored me. So naturally I spoiled the shit out of the show for her and she made this frustrated, hilarious reply message. OH MAN. Wish I capped that message

>>4139387
I love spoiling shit for plebeian show-watching non-readers

>>4139391
Running out of stuff to spoil them with though.

>>4138320
OP, thank you, you've reminded me that I wanted to write a fantasy novel.

I am only overweight, and shave at least every other day, so I might be the perfect crossover candidate.

>>4139487
What's yours about? I'm thinking some kind of military lesbian twincest. y/n?

>>4139487
What? No.

Probably going to be about FBI necromancer wizards solving crimes. Nothing revolutionary.

>>4138360
...you say in reply to a post about Asimov

Have you read any of it? Hard science fiction is most definitely distinct from fantasy. It may get stocked in the same place at the book store, but it is an entirely different kind of escapism

>>4138379
Oh god damn it /lit/

Changing *specific* things about a fantasy world based in history for the sole purpose of political correctness greatly drains from the form of your worldbuilding and is the foundation for a failure in the genre.

yeah, it has dragons or elves or whathaveyou, but if I add in gay rights or equal opportunity in an otherwise medieval setting, it would look like cartoonish wish fulfillment plugged into the world

>>4138406
They might as well have been given how badly they fucked up civilization.

Song China and the Abbasid Caliphate were both undergoing scientific revolutions, and Song China in particular was "a hairs breath away from industrializing." Then the Mongols fucked everything up and set back humanity by like 500 years.

>>4139573
If gay rights ends up feeling plugged in after you've built the world, that's because the world wasn't built very well. It's entirely possible to have a fantasy world in which people have found some other trait that labels someone as an outsider. The more fantastical the world, the more likely that somebody that likes to do something atypical with their genitals is going to be the freak in the room.

>>4138320
Escapism.

>>4139624
>Song China in particular was "a hairs breath away from industrializing."

Source?

>>4139624
If gay rights ends up feeling plugged in after you've built the world, that's because the world wasn't built very well. It's entirely possible to have a fantasy world in which people have found some other trait that labels someone as an outsider. The more fantastical the world, the less likely that somebody that likes to do something atypical with their genitals is going to be the freak in the room.

(Edited because I fucked up less/more lol).

>>4139624
"lel cities are useless let's destroy them so our horses have more room to graze" ghengis "fucking" kahn

>>4139377
just read this part yesterday.

He pops his big stupid finger into her wet 13 year old snatch.

>>4138360
Depends on the author. Arthur C. Clarke and Isaac Asimov and to an extent Michael Crichton knew plenty of science shit.

>>4139737
Arthur C. Clarke /really/ knew science. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_C._Clarke#The_Geostationary_communications_satellite

That's a pretty damn impressive thing to be writing about in 1945.


But that's besides the point, really. Science fiction is has a totally different aesthetic, style, history, and literary focus that fantasy does. It has nothing to do with "fantasy = magic, science fiction = real science".

>>4139640
gb2 reddit

>>4139095
the women characters are a lot better in the books than in the TV show

>>4139761
>Arthur C. Clarke /really/ knew science. See:
That's not science, you fucking moron.

>But that's besides the point, really. Science fiction is has a totally different aesthetic, style, history, and literary focus that fantasy does.
That's completely untrue.

It's only true to an extent in America, and that's only because American pulp magazines had weird market segmentation back in the day one hundred years ago.

The false dichotomy has no place or meaning in 2013.

>>4139320
>I've actually read all of Howard's Conan work and I didn't really catch any of that... Could you elaborate a little?
For fuck's sake, the character's name is 'Conan the Cimmerian', and he comes from 'Hyperborea'.

If you know anything at all about ancient history it's immediately obvious that Howard is playing a game with you and drawing ridiculous (and humorous) allusions.

That's just the most obvious surface example -- what it says right on the fucking cover.

Inside the book there's lots of other, more subtle, playful stuff with topical applicability.

>Or maybe link to a journal article or something?
No thanks, I have a real life.

>>4139377
oh yeah, I always forget she's younger in the books

>>4139624
>implying science is a loftier cause than war

beta

>>4138973
I'll put again the example of Stephen King.
He explained that he received lots of letters complaining about what he should or should not write. Some of these letters called him a cruel twisted man because in one of his books one of the characters kicks a dog to death. He then stated that he doesn't like these things to happen normally and would likely try to stop anyone who did this, but these thing happens in real life and it happened to happen in his story, hence the happening.

TL;DR hatters gonna hate.

>>4140452
Her behavior makes more sense now.

>>4140447
gtfo this board you assburned teenager

>>4140506
>telling the few anons that have a clue what they're talking about to gtfo the board

nice going faggot. maybe you should leave.

>>4140548
no, telling one of the many faggots who get unnecessarily buttmangled at some anon asking them a question about a book to leave the board primarily that is concerned with talking about books

>clue what they're talking about
>mon visage

>>4139004
i can't put myself in the shoes of masochists
i can't imagine why anyone would want a religion
i thought of people actually enjoy being submissive is absolutely not compatible with what i know of the experience of being human

yet all of this stuff exists - your argument does not convince

>>4140611
You're confused. The other faggot (was it you?) asked me to cite an academic paper, after which I promptly told him to go get fucked.

If you want 'academic papers', I suggest you fuck off back to reddit. This board is for discussing books and literature, not a forum where undergrads can circlejerk and dicksuck over their massively overpriced liberal-arts clown college degree.

This isn't fucking math or astrophysics, we're discussing books about barbarians. (If you haven't noticed.)

>>4140696
Religion is not submissive. Quite the opposite.

>>4140447
>No thanks, I have a real life.

You aren't going to get very far in it with that attitude.

>>4140727
Being a follower of a religion is submissive

>>4138320
Oh be fair, OP. Some of them can be a 7/10.

>>4140735
>You aren't going to get very far in it with that attitude.
I already got far. Farther than you ever will get with your assfaggotry.

>>4138380
Men want to be able to be aggressive, women want to be on the other end of that.

That's not an opinion or personal preference, it'sa fact.

>>4138359
nightingale floor?

>>4140748
So post one.

>>4138421
Across the Nightingale Floor
The first book in the Tales of the Otori series.

>>4140724
Wasn't me and yeah dunno why he asked for a paper but presumably he thought the point had academic merit. The shittershock was just unwarranted on your part. Anyway he's gone so whatever.

>>4138335

Most certainly not.

>>4138370
"humans are bastards" is a projection of our time onto history, let go of it.

>>4138387
>>4138382
>>4138369

If you want to discuss /pol/ themes in the style of /pol/ rhetorics, go to /pol/. I'm just glad you haven't brought up an "infographic" yet.

>>4138415
Well, Elspeth Cooper caters to the neckbeards too...

>>4138439
While "matriarchy" was rarely possible, it did exist, but early civilisation (before humans domesticated animals and stayed in one place for more than two months at a time) was a more or less an egalitarian society like the Khoisan's today, because... I don't know, something about agriculture and shepherding was favourable to men but not to women. My best guess is that the stronger one who didn't get pregnant (the man) could defend his flock and field more efficiently and because he could do so, he'd say "I'm more important than you, because whithout me our pets would be killed and our grains stolen, so I tell ya hwut", and this way it could've started. But we're gonna need more evidence.

>>4139005
My theory is the following: People who actively voice such opinions in earnest (les funnie edgy troles don't count) might actually not be able to feel any sort of attraction beyond sexual desire to strangers outside of their families. Because to not acknowledge the interpersonal, "feels" aspect of sex sounds either deeply dissappointed or sick. Maybe the hormones don't go where they're supposed to.

>>4140447
So it's clever on the level of Harry Potter? How very deep and totally not for children.

ITT: Boys discussing what they think women want because they don't know the difference between assertive and agressive

>>4141114
I'm a boy and what's this.

>>4141112
>So it's clever on the level of Harry Potter?
Not at all. Howard is making allusions to contemporary political issues. (Especially issues like 'progress', 'masculinity', 'feminism', 'race', etc.)

>How very deep and totally not for children.
No, Conan is not at all deep. Nobody ever claimed it was.

The original guy claimed that Conan was nerd wish-fulfillment, and he's wrong. Conan is full of self-irony and false-bottom easter eggs.

>>4141310
keep deluding yourself. You're seeing things that aren't there.

>>4141114
Is the female preference for assertiveness also a byproduct of the patriarchal culture? It seems to be one thing women are unanimous on, re. sexual preferences.

>>4141315
Look, let's come back to this discussion when you've read the source material and understood all the words in it, OK?

Because you have to dedicate yourself to your work, no time for vanity.

>>4141369
no