/lit/ - Literature

Shameless self bump

I haven't read the Black Magician trilogy but I can definitely vouch for Name of the Wind.

They are both awful

hth

>>4132947

That's good, then.

>>4132953
Seriously? Have you read them both? Don't ruin it for me.

>>4132790
Get both

Buy one and steal(torrent) the other if you wish

>>4132973
Don't like to read in screens. I'll probably get both, but I'm not sure if Black Magician Trilogy is worthy.

I'm not sure what's going on in this thread, but both are absolute garbage. And considering you willingly paid for a book by Dan Brown, I can't imagine it would make any difference to you.

>>4132953

>>4132999

Your resistance only makes my erection stronger

>>4132999
Fuck man. Everywhere I looked and every person that was reading the name of the wind said it's fucking good. the trilogy tho I havaen't heard much.

I knew people would complain about >Dan Brown. But fuck it, I like him.

>>4133021
>what's going on in this thread, but both are absolute garbage. A
Dude... You need to care less about pretentious /lit/'ers that only read prestigious literature.

Pick up a book that seems appealing to you, get the thrill of the adventure, and don't ask for other peoples opinions before you have read the book. Best of luck!

>>4133155

"Prestigious" literature appeals to me. Trash fiction doesn't. Thanks for your concern, though.

>>4132790
The name of the wind was impressive.
My thoughts about it when I was reading it were basically: "MAHST...KEEP...READING!!"
I finished the second book in less than three days. It really got me addicted.
I really like the writing style of this author.

>>4133182
the Kingkiller Chronicle is masturbatory wish fulfillment at best. You would know this, had you actually read the Neverending story and understood it.

Every other verb used in 'The Name of the Wind' is "shrugged". Get ready for the protagonist shrugging and boasting through the whole novel.

SAXON STORIES HELL YEAH MOTHERFUCKER

>>4133234
don't forget grinning

>>4133182
I liked the part where he got gang raped and watched from his hiding spot as someone else received their due.

Seriously though... what is with the protagonist being raped as a kid?
Name of The Wind
Desert Spear(Painted man book2)
Emperor of Thorns
Let The Right One in
Night Angel Trilogy
Black Jewels Trilogy
I even think someone got the D in the Black Magician trilogy be it the prequel or main trilogy....

>>4132790
I read Name of the Wind
are you a pubescent teen? Do you want to read about a neckbeard's college fantasies (no seriously thats what the book is about, he goes to college and becomes a superstar doing stuff like saving girls from chemistry lab fires, no, seriously now)

don't read it otherwise, its another case of people who havent read fantasy picking up something and they think its original somehow

Read Assassin's Apprentice if you don't want a gary stu main character who dazzles everyone

>>4133669
>touching Robin Hobb
I bet you are one of those faggots that recommended Stephen R. Donaldson to me too

>>4133737
>dissing based Covenant
0/10 apply yourself

>>4133229
>>4133234
Why is it that every character that shows exceptional talent at something is immediately written off as a self-insert power fantasy? There are people like that in real life. If I wanted to hear more of that criticism, I would listen to /mlp/ bitch about Princess Twilight. Think about that. Your only criticism was also thought up by people who watch mlp. Try harder. It is a stupid excuse that disregards storytelling, prose, pacing, and plot, all of which were good in The Name of the Wind.

>>4133669
He's a teen, they shrug a lot.

To answer OP, I haven't read both books. I can only suggest read and judge for yourself.

>>4133935
I'd like you to read the Neverending Story, carefully. Take notes if you must, and then re-read Kvothfuss. If you can't see the overblown, meaningless pathos, the one-dimensional characters and the horrid pacing (500 pages "wizard needs money badly", each book, no progressing of the main storyline at all) now, you will then. And you'll thank me.

>>4133551
it is an easy way to make your story seem "adult" and "gritty", without actually having to deal with actual adult themes such as racism, classism, accepting injustice, responsibility for children or spouses, the threat of poverty or war, fear of losing someone dear, growing older and weaker or having to choose between two equally bad things, or even how your political views measure up to reality. None of these easily exploitable themes are brought up because hinting at rape is just easier and everyone's already doing it. Fantasy writers think of it as a shorthand for "grown-up fiction for real adults", but it really started to look like grade A edgemeistery after the second time, doubly so if the author has not even bothered to talk to or read about rape victims and their experiences.

Maybe you just get a free pass on such things if you're a white neckbeard writing pleb fantasy.

>>4133966

The entire premise behind Kingkiller Chronicles is how stories of exceptional people become overblown and Kvothe basically admits to becoming so famous because he lied/spread rumors about himself, stole, cheated in college, murdered people, etc. Almost 90% of the first 2 books is backstory told over the course of 2 days. Obviously the "present" storyline isn't going to progress very much, but what should also be obvious is that Rothfuss is setting the pieces into place for some major events to occur in the 'present'. He said many times that when Kingkiller Chronicles is done there will be other books. I assume when Kvothe finishes telling his story in Book 3 then the present tense conflict will come into the focus.

>>4134005

>without having to deal with racismm, classism, accepting injustice, responsibility for children or spouses, the threat of poverty or war, fear of losing someone dear, growing older and weaker or having to choose between two equally bad things, or even how your political views measure up to reality


Uh, not sure if you've read the Kingkiller Chronicles, but most if not all of those things are dealt with.

Never read the Black Magician trilogy. I have read half the first of Name of the Wind. It's total shit. I don't understand the love for it. It's generic, the world uninteresting, and the characters flat. It reads like some neckbeard's fan fiction.

>>4134241
That doesn't change the fact that he's an unpleasant whiny shit who Rothfuss wants you to see as basically relatable.

Don't go telling me that he's supposed to be an anti-hero or anything like that; if he was, the unreliable storyteller gimmick might not be a gimmick, and the story might be worthwhile, but he's not and it's not. You're supposed to like Kvothe.

The same way all the shitty writing could be explained as in-character narration by Kvothe - but it's not. It's shitty damn writing.

>>4134241
>Stories about exceptional people get blow up
>The main character goes around being perfect in every way except he's a beta faggot

Way to hit the target there!

>>4134245
>racism

"muh people"

>classism

"fuck nobles! Oh, a wealthy noble grants me his patronage? yay nobles!"

>accepting injustice

"you know what, let's burn down Ambrose's hotel because he's a mean mean meanie!"

>responsibility (at all)

"you mean Denna is in danger??? too bad, gotta go fuck a fairy and learn kung fu, sux to be her I guess"

>threat of poverty and war
okay, I'll give you that

>fear of losing some one
see "responsibility"

>growing older

"ohmygod I'm almost 26, my life is so over, I'm an old old man! Woe is me!"

>hard choices

"should I wear my shade-cloak or my noble's clothes from Vintas... choices choices"

>politics at all

"are you a bad enough dude to rescue the mayor's money?"

I'm afraid you're projecting way too hard.

>>4134241
All I'm saying is that you'll realise all this after reading the good book. You'll be tempted to relate yourself to Bastian just like you did with Kvothe. You'll learn.

>>4134256
what amuses me in all the wrong ways is that a juvenile power fantasy like this prides itself on being "deconstructive", when all it deconstructs is narrative structure ("the main plot you say? haven't seen that since 800 pages ago!") and the page limits of fantasy novels. It's neither fantastic nor novel in any way either.

>>4133155
Actually, I just wanted to know if I made a good choice, choosing The Name of The Wind over Black Magician. It was not "Oh, if people say it is thrash, I'm not reading".
I really don't care about what people say if they are only hating.

>>4133253
Yeah, man. I only read the first book 2 years ago. Bought the first, the fourth and the fifth (The place didn't have 2 and 3). So I started reading the Dark Tower and ASOIAF and let it out of my mind.
First book is fucking, fucking great. Now I only need number 2.

>>4133229
I don't feel identified with Kvothe at all, but I find the writing style very reader friendly and the story not bad at all. 'Cept for the stupid love interest. Kill her, Rothfuss, you can do it!"
>tfw I read the Neverending story more than a decade ago.
Suddenly I feel so old

Sometimes I just think it's people trying to shut down successfull "things" (Since people don't criticizes only /lit/ in 4chan) and... I don't know, hate it for some random reason.
It's like nothing will ever be confirme as good and lots of people will rage at it constantly and if someone says something like "I disagree, I read and I think it's good", people will green text his ass out.
Is it just with successfull series or anything? I mean, /fit/ hates A Song of Ice and Fire too?

>>4134416
That does happen sometimes. Sometimes it's that, sometimes it's people just not liking the thing. Popularity does play a role - at the very least it inflames any negative feelings and makes them stronger.

>>4133776
Spent the last week plus a few days reading book one..... was the most boring shit i read all year, i mean The fucking Host by Hambeast Meyers was a better read than that shit.

If you are one of those guys that get off on prose and think that is all there is to a good book then you will probably like this.

If you are one of those guys that actually READ a book for its story, plot, characters, environment etc etc etc
THIS BOOK IS SHIT. He drones on and on about how he is a leper and that fagget that said that Mark Lawrence holds no flame to Stephen Donaldson when it comes to rape, has on their fucking nostalgia goggles and need to take them off and reread that festering shit pile excuse for fantasy.

The fucking "it was a dream" novels like Covenant Unbeliever and The witch and the wardrobe ARE STUPID AND BORING

I like John Marco's The Inhumans series, and I saw his name on the cover of Bitterwood. Bitterwood was shit.

>>4134897
Lol.

>>4134564
>"it was a dream"

Confirmed for troll.

>>4134943
>woke up from coma
>hooked up to machines
>not a dream

Well if you want to say his soul was transported to that world while carrying a physical representation of white gold... i can agree with you...

It still was a dream at no time did his body leave that plain(earth) of existence, i only read book one(and plan to keep it that way) but from what i read it was a dream and he woke up(came out of coma) at the end of it.

He had his nerves firing in his dream and got to experience sex again(albeit the rape aspect)

>dream (drm) n.
> A series of images, ideas, emotions, and sensations occurring involuntarily in the mind during certain stages of sleep.

>Confirmed for troll.
Confirmed for nostalgic fagget

>>4134564
But... The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe... wasn't a fucking dream?

OP are you the girl from sdn?

Would be a strange coincidence.

itt people who can't recognize an unreliable narrator and those who like the name of the wind

it jumped the shark when he spent 80 pages talking about fucking felurian

>>4135036
it jumep the shark when it tried to call itself heroic fantasy after 120 pages of "wizard needs food badly", which could've been easily solved by any other human being by simply asking his friends.

>>4135177
>what is too proud
>what is shame

If you can't understand that some people would rather slowly starve to death than impose themselves constantly on another person for daily meals.... you haven't experienced the human condition.

I bet you are one of those faggets that show up at a relatives house out of the blue and expect them to feed you or have food on ready for you and when they don't you cause a scene.

>>4132790
I always think the guy in the thumbnail has the Spawn logo on his back.

>>4134357
Black Magician trilogy is pretty standard fantasy fare. I remember enjoying it but not a lot about it.

Name of the Wind is much more memorable, it's also topical since it's not finished. Rothfuss writes with flair so if you like people doing their best to be poetic with their stories then you'll probably like him.

>>4134285
>misuse of word 'projecting'

Kvothe has never been meant to be seen as a good person.

>>4135620
People list character flaws or call mary sue when they hate on Kingkiller that's how it's always been.

>>4135660
>People list character flaws

How is not asking for help a character flaw?

Does everyone go about life asking for hand outs?
Don't people know that some people feel vindicated when they start something on their own and finished it?

As someone who does DIY projects now and again i feel great when i solder and fix a speaker or ear bud headphones, YES i know i could have easily bought a new set but it feels great when you are finished and see that they work you did actually works.

>>4134416
While there are always trolls that will shit on ASOIAF for being popular people posting about the not so popular but widely acclaimed by teens, Name of the Wind, have real reasons.

1. already mentioned it's basically the author's college fantasies, if you're ever seen an interview of the neckbeard you'll understand half his life he spent taking obscure courses in college instead of moving on, he's a manchild
2. Gary Stu goes from losing everything and being a street urchin for years to dazzling his way into a full college scholarship

These should be enough. Even people worshiping the first book call the second one utter utter shit, prooving my theory that the only reason the first one was publishable was that they made him rewrite it for ... what was it 7 years?

>>4135874
>goes from losing everything and being a street urchin for years to dazzling his way into a full college scholarship

>waahhh there aren't any books that /lit/ proclaim as works of art that have the main character "starting from the bottom and working his way up" by greasing door jams to more easily slip in

WAHH WAHH WAAHH STOP LIKING WHAT I DON"T LIKE WAHH WAAHHH

>gets gang buggered
>gary stu
WAHHWAAHH WAHH WAHH

>parents educated kid from a young age
>kid more easily gains the respect of elder rich people by being honest and talented

WAAHH WAHH WAHH WAHH GARY STUUU

Just say you don't like the books and end it there stop being flustered because people don't give a fuck what you say and will continue to like something.

No one wants to read your boring pre 18th Century books gtfo.

>>4135892