/lit/ - Literature

Pynchon probably asked that they rush your copy to you because he was interested in hearing your opinions especially.

>>4110078
>laptop

Shall I vocaroo the first chapter?

>>4110087

Well, who of us isn't?

>>4110099
Who of us isn't what?

>>4110102

Isn't interested in hearing that idiot's opinions. Obviously, I was being sarcastic, though.

>>4110096
Just scan/photograph the chapter and post the pages as proof that's an actual copy.

>>4110096
Yeah, why not?

>>4110078
shame because even though it sucks, people will still love it. sure, it will be well written but when you get down to it, its just a book about an old guys perspective on the internet culture

>>4110107
i like how you are calling him an idiot basically just because you are jealous he got the book first

if you got the book early you would probably make a similar thread

>>4110124
>implying he won't make threads both to tell us he bought a copy and another to say he's read it

>>4110107
Stop posting, Sunhawk. All you write is embarrassing

Post the first paragraph from page 69, 236 and the last page.

>>4110168
y'all

>>4110277
niggas

>>4110279
mad

>>4110281
so have you finished it yet?

oh god this book is gonna be awful.

>>4110277

>Akira
>Ghost in the Shell
>Metal Gear Solid

What has Pynchon been watching and playing?

>>4110277
METAL GEAR SOLID REFERENCES?

wat

>>4110316
>>4110318
>nerds getting excited about video game references

ugh this is only the beginning pynchon what have you done

>>4110318

Pynchon browses 4chan.

>>4110322
Hi, Tom. Big fan.

>>4110318

Pynchon thinks the Metal Gear Solid series is a literary masterpiece.

>>4110277
>sez Justin
>sez

What reason is there for this?

The story arc about the Inconvenience skyship in "Against The day" always reminded me of Final Fantasy.

>>4110113
Shame because even though you've never read it you're loudly proclaiming on the internet that it sucks.

Your insights aren't particularly astute nor intelligent; they're just the random blatherings of a teenager, kneejerk and uninformed.

>>4110349
Pynchon has been using "sez" since Gravity's Rainbow.

>>4110356
I hate the word uninformed. My mind always interprets it as 'uniformed' at first and I have to read it twice.

>>4110364
I should have added that I have yet to read any Pynchon.

Is it supposed to be ironic? All I'm getting is a fifty-year-old-teacher-trying-to-use-slang-to-fit-in-with-his-students vibe.

>>4110338
>>4110318
As many consider MGS to be the first postmodern videogame, it's fitting that a giant of postmodernism like Pynchon would write about it.

>>4110277
>they always made me a little, I don't know, nauseous?
BEEP BEEP NON-STANDARD USE OF ENGLISH DETECTED DROPPED INTO THE TRASH IT GOES IT'S HABBEDING WHY DOZEN YUO STOP IT IT'S OVER XBOX IS FINISHED

don't tell me it's accepted usage
don't tell me it's dialogue
don't tell me other authors have done it
don't tell me to read more

>>4110371
Read some fucking Pynchon and THEN you can enter the conversation. No one cares about your "vibes."

>>4110371

1940's telegrams used sez to save space.

>>4110377
Steady on, mate. Are you malfunctioning?

>>4110371
Nah, Pynchon doesn't stick with one voice or writing style. Compare >>4110277 >>4110279
and >>4110279 to Mason and Dixon, and then compare THAT to Crying of Lot 49 & GR.

What I like about Pynchon is that he isn't afraid to try stuff and fail. He doesn't just have fun with writing, he gets full-blown jollies from it.

I've got a feeling that this novel's gonna be panned, but I think I'll enjoy it nonetheless.

>>4110371
>I have yet to read any Pynchon

No kidding.

If you think Pynchon cares enough to write ironically, or is just a geek grandpa trying to be "with it", you simply don't know anything about Pynchon.

He uses both "says" and "sez" in almost all of his books, depending on context and subject matter. His character who 'sez' things is generally laid back and glib, whereas the one who 'says' things is more traditional and/or rigid.

>>4110381
Good to know.

>>4110378
It was but a question born from bemusement. It certainly isn't conventional usage.

>>4110392
>you simply don't know anything about Pynchon.

I really didn't intend to claim to.

Heh. Lots of video game references, great. IF, he does them right.

MGS is shit, though. I hate that series so much, but that pales in comparison to how much I hate the fans. Bunch of retards. Ooh, Hideo Kojima is such a deep person! It's funny: the people who think HK is deep are the same people who think Huraki Murakami.

>>4110409
Nobody cares about your opinion, Sunhawk.

>>4110409
this

>>4110409
MGS is a great series, but yeah the story sucks. I have no idea why the conventional wisdom is that you play that series for the story. The gameplay has also dropped off a bit lately.

>>4110410
this

Another thing I dislike about MGS is the terrible voice acting. It's really hammy, plus some words are mispronounced for no reason.

As for Hideo Kojima himself, well. He's really arrogant, viewing himself as some kind of god (which his fans enable him with). He also lies constantly about ending the series, or quitting it himself. He said he wouldn't be involved after MGS4, then got involved in TWO new games. What a fucking fraud.

>>4110420
All of that is pretty much irrelevant though. The gameplay is good, that's all that matters. It's a video game series. MGS1-3 have top notch gameplay, they are intuitive, diverse, arcade-like (in a good way), and they have unconventional and creative boss fights that work.

>>4110409
>>4110420

I'm a fan of MGS - but I don't go wild about it. I like the humour, the suspension of disbelief at the lengths the writers go to to add extra twists, and the larger than life characters. I don't take it too seriously and I don't think you're meant to.

>>4110427
>>4110413
The story is enjoyable if only because of how nonsensical it is. It's a silly approximation of Hollywood blockbusters through the eyes of a foreigner. Wondering what balls-out crazy shit is coming next keeps me entertained.

>>4110433
>>4110430

Wow. I didn't know some MGS fans felt this way. I thought all those people took it really seriously. Oh well, to each their own. Gimme platformers, RTS games, and FPSs any day.

whelp

>>4110382
sorry, but "nauseous" means "causing nausea," not "nauseated"
it's an important distinction

>>4110413
>but yeah the story sucks
nigga, MGS2 was one of the first games to use it's medium to tell a story...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-2YuPGYabw

>>4110438
>platformers, RTS games, and FPSs
wow sunhawk even has shitty taste in videogames who knew

>>4110446
>nigga, MGS2 was one of the first games to use it's medium to tell a story...

That doesn't make it a good story. It's fun though, I guess it doesn't "suck." That was probably too harsh. And the tie ins between gameplay and story are impressive, but that doesn't really salvage the story, it just makes the gameplay more impressive.

>>4110436
It's one of those instances (like the pronunciation of forte) where it's simply not worth being correct. People will just give you odd looks.

>>4110447
the story in any videogame sucks if you take it out of context.

>>4110448
>like the pronunciation of forte

People pronounce forte differently to fort-ay?

>>4110446

MGS2 is a peace of shit, and has the worst fanbase in gaming.

>>4110459
Well, no. Pretty much everyone pronounces it fort-ay.
Which is the incorrect pronunciation.

>>4110462
but it's so interesting....
http://www.deltaheadtranslation.com/MGS2/

>>4110465
>not including the correct pronunciation in your post.

I'm waiting bitch.

>>4110488
Just "fort."
Fort-ay refers to something in music.
But of course, if you go around pronouncing it correctly, people will give you weird looks like you're doing something wrong.

>>4110409

Replace Murakami with Christopher Nolan and I agree with you Sunhawk.

>Pynchon likes Neo-Tokyo.

That OVA was cool as fuck, third story was the best though.

>>4110539
He was referring to the setting in Akira. Same author/director though. Neo Tokyo is pretty cool, but Robot Carniva and all the 4C omnibus films were better.

Also,
http://shortpeace-movie.com/

>>4110561

It's been a while since I saw Akira. I take it the MC in Bleeding Edge is some kind of SUPAH HACKER?

>>4110113
>>4110113
are you saying it doesn't count because he's old?

>>4110107
you're a real awkward boy, Sunhawk

>>4110409
Sunhawk... you're such an awkward boy

am i going to have to play metal gear solid now?

i don't play video games : (

thomas pynchon uses gentoo

Is there any reason for me to read any of Pynchon's work? Why is /lit/ obsessed with him?

>>4111147
only relevant novelist in the english language since the 60s

publishing a book about 9/11 and vidya

>>4111147
>Is there any reason for me to read any of Pynchon's work?

Only you can make that decision, Anon.

>>4111147
>>4111151
I hate to come to the realization, but >only relevant novelist in the English language
is just about right.

Literally no other working writer even begins to compare with Pynchon. So, yeah, he's kind of a big deal.

>>4111171

So what places him so far above Cormac McCarthy for example?

Picture related, it's you.

>>4111151

McCarthy?

>>4111226
Blood Meridian is good but it's not revolutionary like Gravity's Rainbow was.

I don't think McCarthy has that much influence outside America.

I'd put Saramago above McCarthy, but this is why I said english language novelist.

>>4111151
>Vonnegut, Leonard, Foster Wallace, etc...

>>4111231

>only relevant novelist in the English language

For such a bold statement your arguments are weak as shit.

>>4111151
Carver was more important than Pynchon.

>>4111262
but he beat his wife

>>4111267
Pynchon molests children.

>>4110281
Really sentimental ending. It's amazing to see how much his writing progressed from the young, deceptive, postmodernism of 49 and then this/Inherent Vice.

>>4111470
M&D is unapologetically sentimental also. I think it's just a reflection of the zeitgeist.

>>4110277
>Akira
>Ghost in the Shell
>MGS
>Kojima

IS THIS REAL LIFE

WHAT IS HAPPENING /LIT/

HOLD ME

>>4111267
u dont know the circumstances. maybe she deserved it.

I guess you could say OP's on the

Bleeding Edge

>>4111151
McCarthy and DFW in the least, Bolano and about half a dozen others are contenders

>>4111586
nope

>>4111586
>Bolano
>English language

>>4111586
McCarthy has one great novel (maybe two), so he's probably relevant, though not comparable to Pynchon. DFW has none.

the right answer is philip roth

>>4110277
>>4110279
>>4110281
What the fuck am I reading.

Just think, this will be the first Pynchon that many people read.

>/lit/ considers an author with anime and video game references in his books top-tier literature, high-brow, "greatest current author"

>>4111792
so does harold bloom

>>4111792
Just think, if Pynchon keeps going at his current rate, within the next decade he should be able to completely ruin his reputation.

>>4111792
You don't understand what postmodernism is, do you?

>>4111792
But that his thing he blends the distinction between high and low brow. He also does it to piss people off.

>>4111151
D-D-Don DeLillo?

>>4111812
Yes, were you calling me?

>>4111817
Mr DeLillo sir, why are my stools green?

>>4111804
>He also does it to piss people off.

Not only is there no proof for this assertion, I seriously highly doubt it. Pynchon doesn't mention low-brow stuff in his otherwise serious, formal literature in order to "piss people off". He does it because low-brow stuff is just as much a part of life as high-brow is. Pynchon is all-encompassing--nothing is too stupid to be included. This is a guy whose first major literary endeavor included a poem (song) about nosejobs, and a story about a priest falling in love with a rat. That stuff is not included for any other reason that Pynchon likes and enjoys writing that stuff.

Somehow, he mentions a few video game titles and all bets are off and he's a hack and this book is clearly terrible. As if the slightest mention of anything new somehow debases and despoils literature proper.

Because all major authors should write characters who communicate by post office mail, right?

Jesus, this place.

Why is this shit not OCR'd and on all the torrent sites yet?

>>4111830
Just pointing out that this is a good post. Take note, /lit/izens.

>>4111803
...does anyone?

>>4110436
No it's not. They can be used interchangeably.

Also, you're so stupid I'm not sure if this is possible. Maybe you're parodying people, but that would require someone stupid enough to be parodied like that. Or are you trolling? But it's so low-key and over-the-top at the same time it just seems like a failed attempt.

>>4111862
Postmodernism has always existed. It's Thersites in The Iliad. It's in the self-conscious allegory of The Divine Comedy. Sterne beat the 20th-centuryers who noticed this by quite a while, because noticing it made it even more postmodern.

>>4111863
"Careful writers use nauseated for 'sick at the stomach' and reserve nauseous (q.v.) for 'sickening to contemplate.'"
PIDF pls go

>>4111842
The market for books is far smaller than for other things like movies or music, so there's less of a frenzy about books and a smaller pool of people who could get the item and make it available early.

Possible exception could be extremely popular books like Dan Brown's ones. Not sure if stuff like that leaks early or not.

>>4111871
OK.

This reads bad and I say that a fan ofVineland, MD

>>4111927
As someone who likes Vineland, I'd think you'd reserve judgment till you read the whole thing.

Or you can blather dumbly in a pessimistic manner about an excerpt.

post some more pages my nig

>>4111262
>Carver's editor was more important than Pynchon

ftfy

>>4112243
I read What We Talk About ... then Beginners, and the unedited stuff in Beginners has so much extra guff that didn't need to be there. The thing was a struggle to finish. The concept of 'Carveresque' doesn't even apply to Carver's own unedited writing.

Gordon Lish (the editor) was only an average writer himself, though. It was the collaboration between the two that made it great.

you think Pynchon has ever jerked it to hentai?

>>4112293
I wonder if he's played Persona 4.

>>4110277
>Goombas jump up in me.
>Goombas
>Jump
Your new is showing, Pynchon

>>4111151
What about Robert Coover

>>4112310
wow you must be autistic...the character saying that is a MIDDLE AGED MOM not Pynchon himself you tard, it's a novel not an essay on Super Mario...learn to fucking read.

>>4111586
>Bolano
did he...?

>>4112316
Oh and McElroy

>>4111792
>only reads book that completely omit the technological elements currently permeating our enviroment

Pynchon is a living legend, all them other cats minor.

Yall realize Pynchon is just a man right?

>>4111854
just pointing out this post and mine are terrible posts. take note, /lit/izens

>>4112326
>>4112329
the horror!

>>4112329
Gravity's Rainbow is so fucking insane dude sometimes it's kind of crazy to think some dude just sat down and wrote that shit ....

>>4112335
jesus christ you sound like someone who just got done yelling 420 blaze it faggot into a toddler's face

>>4112350
while i agree that guy probably does have the mental powers of a toddler i also agree everyone should "blaze" gravity's rainbow

>>4112350
if you wanna wanna
party party
if you wanna wanna
hear your hear beat

GR - put excerpts of it in the kindereggs

>>4110132
>>4110582
>implying you can even tell who is Sunhawk these days

>>4110377
>Oh, no, a character in this book used a word in a way that, despite being common, is sometimes the subject of debate! Let's all freak out!

>>4110281
Every page gogogogogo

>>4110568
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLlj_GeKniA

>>4110277
>'“Only the framing material,” Lucas demurely, “obvious influences, NeoTokyo from Akira, Ghost in the Shell'
>Lucas demurely
Dialogue tags without verbs in them? Well.

>>4110446
That video is awesome. Thanks for posting

>>4112480
Pynchon's done this for a while. It's the same way in scripts.

>>4112480
deal with it nerd

>>4112486
No problem yo.

I just pre-ordered Bleeding Edge from Amazon hoping it'll get to me before I have to travel on the 19th

>>4110279
aww shit is this chick getting a slothrop style premonition of 9/11

>>4110277
>"Only the framing material," Lucas demurely, "obvious..."
>Lucas demurely
I am spitting pure rage.

>>4111223
Not that guy, but I feel like Pynchon is simply more in control overall than McCarthy. He synthesizes so many disparate things and weaves them into his work in bizarre and novel ways, and you get the impression that he is managing every variable meticulously. I haven't read Blood Meridian, unfortunately, but I see a level of craftsmanship in Pynchon's best books that just doesn't seem present in, say, Suttree or The Road (both of which I thought were great).

OP here. About 50 pages in due to close reading and I've got to say it's pretty funny so far. Lots of Yiddish slang sprinkled in, usual themes of paranoia and bizarre acronyms (AMBOPEDIA). Why you lot keep focusing on video games is beyond me. I would have done more to enlighten you on the book but frankly, you don't deserve it.

>>4112569

Well, when it comes to "Blood Meridian", the very fact that McCarthy is too uneducated to realize you "stoke", not "stroke", a fire, leads me to rate Pynchon as the better author.

>>4112579
>Why you lot keep focusing on video games is beyond me. I would have done more to enlighten you on the book but frankly, you don't deserve it.

Maybe it's because that was the most interesting part of the excerpts you posted faggot-kun.

>>4112569
blood meridian is mccarthy's only masterpiece. you cannot talk until you've read it. it is his only great novel. i still agree that pynchon is better, but talking about mccarthy without blood meridian is like talking about tolstoy and only having read resurrection

>>4112583
Shows what you know about fires.

>>4112544
Demurely makes sense, retard.

>>4110113
So it's fine for an old man to write about times he never lived, but not about ones he did?

>>4112317
stop trolling badly - you're making everyone uncomfortable

>>4112317
Check out the mad on this guy

>>4112579
>lots of Yiddish slang
... I'm seriously rethinking buying the book

>>4112723
oh come on i'm as anti-semitic as the next guy but a little yiddish slang isn't going to stop me from reading it

>>4113049
The Belgian guy who read the book early said Bleeding Edge actually involves a Zionist conspiracy or something like that. Pynchon is about as red-pilled as you are likely to find in contemporary literary fiction. The far left hate kikes just as much as the far right do.

>>4113057
the far left is almost entirely jewish bro

>>4113059
You're thinking of the New Left.

>>4113061
you don't know a lot about the left do you? man, /lit/ really turns retarded once school is back in, only the neckbeards and mom's basement dwellers left while everyone else is busy with academia

>>4112583
You couldn't even be bothered to google it? New worst tripfag.

>>4113068
come on stroke the fire was some homoeroticism, mccartchy was on that brokeback shit before brokeback was cool

>>4113059
>>4113061
>>4113062

>Muricans
>Thinking they know what's left
>lel

>>4110107
Way to ruin it.

>>4111272
How would we know?

http://hashslingrz.com/