/lit/ - Literature

>>4102317

I've read Civilization and Its Discontents, but I'd be grateful if anybody could point me to an entry point to his work in hermeneutics.

I think it's a shame that Viktor Frankl's approach to therapy was overshadowed by Freud's and then Lacan's.

>>4102332
>I think it's a shame that Viktor Frankl's approach to therapy was overshadowed by Freud's and then Lacan's.
Have you read much of Frankl? I had not heard of him until now, and I've taken multiple psychology courses. What is his method?

I like Jung.

>>4102339

He developed a method called 'logotherapy', which differed from other therapies of the time and those of today in that it emphasises the creation of 'meaning' for a person having psychological or social problems. It's closely linked to existentialism and tends to focus more on the conscious "this is what this experience means to me" aspect of therapy, and how a person has to make sense of their problems within their life story before they can move on.

I've done a degree in psychology, and read a bit about the various methods that are used today. I'd say Frankl's approach captures what works in each of the other methods really well.

It's marginalized though, because it's a literary method rather than a capitalist-approved hyper-autistic, theoretical, mechanistic one like CBT.

He was surpassed by his students Carl Jung and Otto Rank.

>>4102317
>due contradictory evidence in anthropology
eg?

Could I jump into Interpretation of Dreams without reading other works by his?

If you're going to do the pseudo intellectual bit, at least check your spelling and grammar.

Also, Freud is entry level crap.

>>4102366
I like you. I'm not sure why Lacan is so big, but CBT definitely wins out because it's a formula and behaviorism rather than something which is going to require individual tailoring. That it's a short process rather than an indefinite attitude also makes it more applicable to a greater range of presentations, whereas logotherapy is probably more likely to suit a clinical diagnosis. People can't use it to quit smoking or treat behavioral symptoms in the time that CBT takes. The idea that all one needs is a new behavior not a new meaning to the behavior has obvious appeal not just to practitioners but also clients.

>>4102366
Interesting. I might give Man's Search For Meaning a read some day.

>>4102370
Surpassed how? I know that much of Jungian theory was draped in mysticism; I would hardly call that surpassing Freud's theoretical framework--A regression, if anything.

>>4102371
One example straight off Wikipedia:

"The anthropologist Bronisław Malinowski's studies of the Trobriand islanders challenged the Freudian proposal that psychosexual development (e.g. the Oedipus complex) was universal. He reported that in the insular matriarchal society of the Trobriand, boys are disciplined by their maternal uncles, not their fathers; impartial, avuncular discipline. In Sex and Repression in Savage Society (1927), Malinowski reported that boys dreamed of feared uncles, not of beloved fathers, thus, Power — not sexual jealousy — is the source of Oedipal conflict in such non–Western societies. "

>>4102382
Although I have not read Interpretation of Dreams, If I were you, I would read An Outline of Psychoanalysis to get a feel of his theoretical framework first.

>>4102396
There's one of you in every thread like this. You throw an ad hominem in, call someone interested in Psychoanalysis a pseudo-intellectual, and go about your day. It's really pathetic.

I've read some Freud, an introduction on Lacan, three of Lacan's full seminars and the corresponding ecrits, three books by Zizek and I'm not sure if Lacan is actually saying anything at all.

Odd.

You've read some Freud, an introduction on Lacan, three of Lacan's full seminars and the corresponding ecrits, three books by Zizek and I'm not sure if you were actually reading anything at all.

Odd.

>>4102515
>I'm not sure if Lacan is actually saying anything at all.

Is this due to the obscurity of his writing or the lack of content (or both)?

>>4102523
yes, that's right.

>>4102382
Yes.
Interpretation of Dreams is Freud foundational work in psychoanalysis and it outlined his first model of the mind (system UC, PC, and C) and its associated mechanism.

So there's no pre-requisite per se.

>>4102532
both. he's a good study in meaningless recursion of terms. it's like nadsat without any linguistic pragmatism.

>>4102532
Ostensible lack of content.
I'm probably, undoubtedly, just too dumb. The mathemes are killing me.

>>4102535
lel, if you are stupid enough to humiliate yourself like that you just proved his point, which went right over your head

>>4102574
I understood the satire perfectly, and didn't disagree with it.

>>4102424
>I'm not sure why Lacan is so big

He gives grad students something to do.

>>4102592
do they stock him whereever coffee comes from?
capcha: str inPhil

>>4102592
this

>>4103135
>>4102592

2deep4yall

Wittgenstein and Kraus.

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