/lit/ - Literature

look at society and ask yourself... what does [targeted demographic] want themselves to be... what does [targeted demographic] hate? Then make the protagonist the former and the antagonist the latter and make the setting either where [targeted demographic] spends life or where [targeted demographic] wants to be, and then have good prose and a universal theme of human nature. You're set!

>>4098248
>"You'll never take me alive, Deputy Ice Cold Coca Cola Drink!" snarled the evil Male Rights Activist. "That's what YOU think" smirked DICC-CD, shooting him between the eyes. It was a good day to be a space cowboy and it got him thinking - 'life should be enjoyed while you're alive'.

>>4098244
Good novels invest the reader in what's going on, and keep them immersed all the way through. There have been countless best-sellers out there with terrible prose, but well-formulated characters and conflict. I think that's what differentiates novels from other genres: it's much more about form than style or function.

>Also. What would you like to see happen more in literature?

I want you to revitalize speculative fiction and usher in a new era of sci fi.

>>4098258
get this man a Nobel Prize

>>4098258
>Target demographic wants to be Coca-Cola
Wh-who are you targeting? Pepsi Cola? Haw haw

>>4098271
An ALDIs knock-off brand.

Novels are for the everyman, remember.

Good != popular.

Examine all the best sellers, see what they're doing, what they have in common.

>>4098274
(LA Ice is my favourite of the 99c bottles of crap)
I think it's a problem when cola is cheaper than water.

The 6 foot tall muscled man, tall and dark and handsome, was sat on the bus, enduring another daily grind, when up to him came a person calling them a faggot. "Faggot!" he yelled, the cry was high and loud. The tall man stood up. "By the justice of atheism and science I will destroy you." And threw him out of the bus. The yearning for justice is in each and every one of us, but for some it is stronger than others.

People want something that is new and old simultaneously. A reflection of truth and the infinite mystery of its essence.

>>4098299
Oh and big hunky supernatural guys with massive wangs.

>>4098304
No, people prefer extreme slender figures with thin wings.

>>4098277
No, it's a virtue of capitalism. I can walk into any Country Fair and buy 20 oz of Cocoa Cola (or Pepsi for my kids) for 00.79 american dollars. Then instead of buying bread I can sate my hunger with cheap electronics or a DvD from the bargain bin.

>>4098281
Too much idealism there. You are doomed to the confines of academia.

>>4098309
An angel wing and a devil wing to represent duality. Like Sephiroth!

You should write a book about a young refugee family fleeing their home to a terraformed planet but only touch on the politics and science and shit from the context of the family's perspective. Make it just about the characters. People love character pieces.

>>4098320
It's so odd, man. A loaf of white bread is forty cents. That's hours of work for an ancestor entirely done away with. Capitalism is handy

>>4098337
What's the connection between capitalism and cheap bread? Surely cheap bread is a result of efficient farming and industrial baking, not capitalism?

>>4098391
Competition to make cheaper and cheaper bread in greater quantities

I like stories that don't really have much to them. I very straight forward simple story that keeps me interested either by the characters or the author's prose. You can write about virtually anything and it could be interesting or awful. I guess it matters most about how you put what you are trying to say.

Can anyone recommend me a good guide on writing fiction?
And maybe on writing poetry?

>>4098410
a good guide? You think there's a magic formula for this shit, man? Even the whole exposition-risingaction-climax-resolution thing is an explanation of the typical story, not a hard-and-fast rule

>>4098244
It seems to me like you just want to write to make money, and if that's the case, writing is the wrong field for you, nigga.

>>4098337
I live in a country that was fully communist until not so long ago. For over 30 years the price of bread has been 0.015$ for the French loaf.

>It's all thanks to Capitalism that we enjoy such luxuries
>The party invented airplanes.

>>4098421
I'm not expecting a short and simple explanation or some magic formula, just some good guides or books on the subject. I'm aware that being able to write good fiction is a long process that requires effort.

more buttfuckin in the dmv

>>4098453
Here, two polar opposites:

The Art of Fiction, John Gardner (for understanding "aesthetics")
The Anatomy of Story Telling (google it, idk the author; this is as formulaic as it gets)

I'd like to read more stories where there isn't a forced romance. I don't like reading any romantic relationship bullshits in stories. I prefer to read about father/son dynamics or the relationships between brothers. Just man stuff ya know. Nothing gay just family feelings.

>>4098539
>The Anatomy of Story
Fixed that for me.

I'd like to read a good treatment of the modern man. Fuck adultery. Fuck sensational crime. Fuck sassy females or potheads. Fuck scifi that has not happened yet. I want a story about the modern man who is well-read, knowledgeable about philosophy and science, acutely aware of the obvious lies behind institutionalized religions and corporatist capitalism.

I want a novel that will speak across our fragmented culture and inspire humanity during this era of decadent, self-centered, escapist literature.

>>4098614
Give me five years. You will know it when you see it. That's a promise.

>Neo-Constructionism ftw (hint, these are the key words)

>>4099063
gotta love empty promises without consequences

>TONY PARSONS

uses new labour style focus groups to determine the plots etc of the books he writes

>>4098248
you just gave me an incredible fucking idea.
An incredible fucking one

>>4098614
You should check out The Moviegoer by Walker Percy.

>>4100070
This book never gets discussed here. I think people would like it.