/lit/ - Literature

the same moment I stopped coming here for actual knowledge and just for the lulz

also
>acting irl based on stuff you see on 4chan

>he thinks one learns philosophy taking a university course

>>4086955
Are you saying wikipedia is god?
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude

>>4086969
>implying I take philosophy courses because of /lit/

>>4086976
>he thinks autodidacticism is good
Enjoy your threads on /lit/

>>4086955
the only smart people i've seen on 4chan have been some old traditionalist and shitposters

>>4086987
>he doesn't realize studying mathematics is the gateway to philosophy

It's like he doesn't want to know what is really real

>>4086996
>gateway to philosophy

>>4086987
the only part about a college course that is actually useful is the fact that you can listen to somebody more informed than you discuss a subject you're interested in, which is often minimized unfortunately
the actual course work is something that you could just as effectively do on your own

>he doesn't realize he's just being fooled by the lecture format

People challenge each other here. In school, most people just accept the professor's word as gospel.

>>4086987
>he doesn't know that the greatest writer of all the time was a autodidact farmer

>>4086996
>mathematics
>"really real"

>>4087015
keep fooling yourself

>>4086987
>he thinks the only alternative to university is autodidactism

>>4087023
The material world is in flux, but 2 and 2 is always 4. Wouldn't you like to pursue the reality behind the material world? Wouldn't you like to apprehend the eternal forms?

>>4087058
what point are you trying to make? that you're too buttmad and scored too low on the SATs to get into a decent uni? stay jelly and stay reading wikipedia

>>4087091
>not becoming a master plumber in the time it would take to graduate
>not getting paid every step of the way (apprentice, journeyman, etc.)
>not making 200-300k with tons of free time to read, BBQ and raise a family

Lol y did u go 2 college? Have phun wif dat debt, nigger.

>>4087118
>debt
>America is the world
>plumber acting superior over anything

>>4087085
>Wouldn't you like to apprehend the eternal forms?

lol.

>>4086955
>the average /lit/izen only reads Wikipedia?
If only...

>>4087016
Hesiod?

>>4087124
Master Plumber to you, little fag boy. I own a duplex, a house and two cabs; which makes me a modern slaveholder. How many human souls do you hold in your hand?

>not American

Oh, never mind. Have fun being inconsequential, Australian faggot.

>>4087145
>spending your life literally swimming in shit

>>4087145
>look how much I own
>caring about material possessions so much to a point where you brag about it to strangers on the internet
read more

So what did you learn OP?

>>4087145
You truly are a shitlord.

>>4087145
Enjoy your excess dukkha

>>4087145
This guy is even worse than OP.

>>4087145
>mfw bourgeoisie of /lit/ are enraged by a successful prole

Can you give any examples? Because I've actually found a few of the guys on /lit/ really knowledgeable - particularly the Wittgenstein scholars floating around.

More like master troll, when was the last time /lit/ was so enraged by anything? I think he touched a nerve.

>>4086955
OP, what you don't get is the following.

1. everybody who make philosophical claims here knows they know nothing.
2. If you know nothing, you are stupid.
2.1 even if you only pretend to know nothing, but secretly know nothing; your argument in itself, would still stand explicitly as stupid to an observer.
3. By one and 2 amended by two point 1 all making philosophical claims here are stupid.

Did you really have to take a course to see this?

>Lrn2logic

>>4087085

>forms
>not universals
I seriously want you to fight me, Platonist sophist. Still believing in forms as such is like still believing in the divine crystalline spheres of the cosmos. People like you wanna turn philosophy into linguistically-based numerology.

>>4087245
>but secretly know SOMETHING*

Damn.

>>4087245

That's not logic. That is gibberish.

>>4087346
It's so logically sound your pleb ass can't recognize.

>>4087353
It's just a structured grouping of baseless assumptions.

>>4087376
That's what logic is you imbecile.

>>4087387
Don't you need to start with truths in order to deduce anything?

>>4087387

>logic
>a group of unrelated conclusions without premises

You might want to recheck your definition of "logic" there, bud.

>>4086976
Look at that evil Jew creeping on that beautiful aryan woman. It's a shame how much the white race has fallen.

I know little about philosophy but I have been asking myself questions recently that are philosophical in nature which I can't answer or am even sure can.

I always hear "start with the Greeks" or "start with Plato" so I might pick the republic, but with no guarantee that I'll find the answers that I'm looking for.

>>4087387
Nice logic.

This thread.

>>4087402
Start with he Indians.

>>4086955
>Go on /lit/
>Talk shit about shit
>Have a few courses in philosophy
>MAN, I'M SO FUCKING SMART. I'M LIKE AN EXPERT NOW

Fuck off.

op may have a point. nothing of any worth has been said so far itt.

>>4087402

Start by working out which particular AREA of philosophy you are interested, e.g. ethics, epistemology, metaphysics, philosophy of language, philosophy of science, politics, and so on. Then you can get started.

>>4087376
Ok, let's go into the premises you call baseless:

The first premise is that every one with a basic grasp of philosophy knows "the only thing i know, is that I know nothing, lol" and holds this as true in some sense or another. And every /lit/erary who debates philosophy knows this

The second is that one way of being stupid is being ignorant. Since lack of knowledge might lead to stunted deduction ie. not knowing right from wrong, good from bad etc.

The premise of the amendment of second premise is, that even if the stupidity is under pretense the utterance made will still standing alone be considered stupid, because it has come from someone speaking under the influence of the first premise.

I don't see why you can't see this.

>>4086955
>taking philosophy courses in university
>not just self studying

>>4087414
Is this a joke regarding the sort of mindset I refereed to or no?

I can never tell on these boards.

>>4087427

I know something, so this doesn't apply to me.

>>4087429
I study philosophy myself, but I find it hard to actually use since I have no guidance from teachers or other students, so my confidence in applying my earned knowledge is severely limited to quoting single sentences, and secondhand opinions of other scholars I have read.

>>4087443
So is it true what you know?

>>4087453
You're a historian of philosophy, not a philosopher. You're like Diogenes Laertius.

>>4087459
Yes.

>>4087461
I hope one day to build a scope, a coherent perspective on how to obtain valuable knowledge or how to "see". It's a slight hope though.

>>4087463
Well then you're not retarded, congratulations.

>>4087145
I'm happy that you live a good life and wish you the best.

I actually try to avoid philosophical discourse these days.

I know I'm not intellectually qualified or well learned enough to do so, and so I don't. It's also an absolute bother, listening to people adamantly and steadfastly professing to ideas and beliefs without any consideration to the obvious logical flaws.

I just shrug a lot.

>>4087512
I had three philosophical arguments on this board in the last day, and all of them ended with me and the other guy sharing a common opinion within six posts. You're doing it wrong.

>>4087488
I'll share the foundation of my wisdom with you: OP is a faggot.

Always remember this, anon.

>>4087512
Plato referred to such people as philodoxers: "lovers of opinion/belief".

Whereas a philosopher loves wisdom.