/lit/ - Literature

Cool.

Some of the shit could use more descriptive file names, though. Like, I have no idea what Witchcraft.pdf is (under Voodoo).

>>4071433
It's Pritchard's Mande piece.

Maybe sometime I'll get around to naming files that just have numbers (there are a few of those), stuff like that. The Freemasonry file actually has a big problem with that.

Cool.
Are you in the A∴A∴?
Man, I wish I could join your club.

Nice to see you here too K. Look what i found. Is this any good?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/OCCULTISM-Rare-Vintage-Books-on-The-Occult-/251317702778?pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item3a83b3d07a

>>4071819
The only two things worth it are Great Work, and ESPECIALLY Occult Significance of Blood. That can be worth some cash to the right collector if it's not fucked.

>>4071841

Do you happen to have these two books in your mega collection?

>>4071841
I just noticed it's a disk.

Still, 11$ is worth it, especially for a few of those;
>Demonology and Devil Lore 480 pages. yr.1879
Hard to find.

>>4071847
Occult Significance of Blood is there; should be in A.'.A.'. > Philsosophy.

>>4071856

Thanks man

>>4071410
So I'm new to this topic. I enjoy conspiracy threads on /pol/, hollywood monarch mindcontroll, illuminati, and I'd like to know more about lucifer-ism.

I'm going to download a few but do you have any recommendations as a foundation text?

>>4071888

I think it would be best to start with:

Secret teachings of All Ages - Manly P.Hall

>>4071901
I've actually read most of that. BUt thank you for the suggestion.

Any chance you have a nonshit copy of The Golden Bough?

>>4071410

Tell me, what's in occult books that is not in literature?

Fernando Pessoa was a great occultist and he wrote a book called "A Hora do Diabo", the Devil's Hour. It's 70 pages long and has everything you need to know about the Devil. He even speaks about the Tarot, the Moon, Jesus, secret orders... But that book is literature. I built my occult repertoire reading literature only.

So why is literature not enough? What's the difference?
If I start reading those, what should I look for?

>>4071913

Literature is for entertainment, a true seeker of knowledge looks for the original source of truth.

I like comparative religion, but ever since I got into actual mysticism, I lost interest in occult shit in general.

Gimme one interesting read from there that isnt Tarot (I will never get into Tarot) or Chaos Magick(mite b cool, just doesn't sound like a good place to start)

>>4071410
Do you have a non-shit copy of Pope Leo the Third's Enchiridion? The only edition in library systems around the world was defaced by some goof and there'd be no chance my library would make a request anyways.

>>4071410
>>4071957
Oh, and if you have a non-shit copy of the Red Dragon, a decent translation out of Latin that'd be awesome. If it isn't legit I'll be able to tell.

>>4071926
>the original source of truth
Not written words at all, then. Why should we be reading this shit you're talking about instead of just trying to walk the eternal Way?

Speaking of Occult books, is Isis Unveiled worth reading?

>>4071965

Your words does not make sense, Because you dont know what you're talking about. We will speak about this after you read at least half of the books OP delivered.

>>4071977
"The original source of truth" wouldn't be something someone wrote down, because that person would have had to get their truth somewhere. Thus, the "original" source is not a text.

If I'm seeking the original source of truth, then, I can immediately cross OP's books (and all books) off the list.

>>4071926

>Literature is for entertainment

That's really nice. Just take all those centuries of ideas and cultural development and call them entertainment. Give the meaning of life to deranged mystics who die from drinking puddle water and poison, thinking it's "magic".

The original source of the truth is a mystery like an abyss, and it is bottomless, and trying to figure it out takes so much bloody time, more time than I have.

>>4071984

Fallacy

>>4071995
You can't just say the word fallacy and make someone wrong. You have to point out the fallacy.

Also, since the positive claim is being made that this "original source of truth" is among OP's texts, evidence should be provided.

"What is truth?"

>>4071991

Not only you're unfamiliar with Occultism and Mysticism, but also you dont seem to be aware of the purpose of the literature in first place.

>>4071991
>The original source of the truth is a mystery like an abyss, and it is bottomless, and trying to figure it out takes so much bloody time, more time than I have.
Trading away something finite (time) in equal measures for something infinite (knowledge) is a waste. You'll run out of the former without ever getting half enough of the latter. But Truth can be realized if you understand that it's not intellectual grasping so much as intuition. You can touch God even if you can't wrap your mind around it.

>>4071410
>Beelzebub's tales to his grandson

I forgot I've been looking for that! Thanks

>>4072008
That's well put. Although I'm sure most don't subscribe to that philosophy.

>>4071905
I can hunt one down; it's a core text in A.'.A.'., so I never checked my electronic copy (it sits on the shelf with the rest of my occult hardcopies).

>>4071913
I love Fernando Pessoa; I have a few of his poems from Equinox 5:4. I guess my only answer to you would be "why read philosophy when there's literature?".

I don't think there's anything wrong with liking both the heavy metaphysical stuff and something like Barker's Great and Secret Show.

>>4071943
That's a tough one...no Tarot, no Chaos...still for beginners:
>Kabbalistic Mirror of Genesis in the A.'.A.'. > Philosophy file.
>Magickal Revival by Ken Grant in A.'.A.'. > Thelema > Grant

>>4071957
>>4071963
Nope and nope; I've been focusing on rare *contemporary* occultism, for the most part.

That said, I've got Jake Stratton Kent's book on Grimorium Verum (fwiw) and Sepher Raziel.

>>4071965
>>4071977
>>4071984
Guys. Pls.

The territory is ineffable and words fail. *BUT* using words, we can try to make legible maps of said spiritual territory. I'd rather have some maps of the Holy Mountain than none at all. Many routes to the supreme summit of the Peak of that Mountain...why not have as many perspectives as possible?
>The best way to live is without rules.
>The best way to break rules is to know them.
~Crowley

>>4071974
More or less. I prefer Regardie's Tree of Life & Garden of Pomegranates...but whatever sacrifices your goat, man.

>>4072007
I don't care if you folks put any stock in this shit or not; I just wanted to share a decent sized library that's actually been edited down and hand selected.

>>4072008
I'd be inclined to agree. Again, though, Map/Territory distinction.

>>4072009
Gurdjieff is tits.

>>4072457
>>4071974
>More or less. I prefer Regardie's Tree of Life & Garden of Pomegranates...but whatever sacrifices your goat, man.
Misread your post. Isis Unveiled is decent, but I prefer The Secret Doctrine.

As better sources came out, a good deal of her works became obsolete. Steiner stands the test of time, though.

bump?

Any entry-level books for Hermeticism?

>>4072653

Kybalion

just wondering, is a good idea to start with crowley´s Magick?

>>4072797
If you mean Liber ABA/Book 4/ Magick in Theory and Practice, then yes....

That is if you wan't to go further into Crowley's work.

>>4072653
>>4072734
Don't forget Bardon's Initiation into Hermetics.

Thank you so much, OP! I am very thankful! I was going to start looking into these subjects, but you've done all the work for me. You truly are fantastic.

Any chance that you might make a torrent out of this? Would be much easier and truly wonderful.

thanks OP. i like this sort of reading.

does anybody have an english unabridged version of fulcanelli's cathedral book with original photos

To really get into occult stuff, ought one to learn Latin, old greek and such?

>>4072968
Hebrew as well.

Sometimes Arabic can help (in the case of Picatrix).

>>4072983

Well fug. But I guess you only have to learn written arabic, so it's not such a massive deal?

>>4072983

I have alot of persian and arabic book on black magic. Shit is scary as fuck.

>>4072986
Well, you can get by.

The biggest reason you'd need those other languages is for gematria, but there are books and online calculators for that.

All these words make no sense to me.
But I am curious.
Are all these branches of so-called occultism religions or philosophies or ways of life or what? And do you (OP) follow their standards?

>>4073005

It's basically secret knowledge.

>>4073005
>Are all these branches of so-called occultism religions or philosophies or ways of life or what?
see
>>4073007
Occult refers to any hidden, little known, or secretive religious or mystical practice.

I have no real religion to speak of, but consider myself a Thelemite, using it as a practical philosophical approach to mysticism.

Any books in English about Eastern philosophy that are -not- theosophy or the effects thereof?

Besides the Tao Te Ching, Zhuangzi, etc., I mean.

>>4073082
Look in my Yoga file.

>>4073082
heinrich zimmer

>>4072457
Modern occultism? How about pre-Mediterranean influenced grimoires? Material preferably older than what's found in the Galdrabók.

>>4071410
Bookmark'd ... You don't intend to remove it any time soon, I hope.

>>4072987
Scan pls

We can't translate without scans

I don't even know where to start.

Besides what I think are some of the elementary questions ie "How do I read people's minds/Lucid Dream/Astral Project/Turn lead to gold/Use those secret crystals/etc" ,
>>4071913
this anon mentioned the Devil's Hour, is there anything that goes into detail about different entities, djinns or gods or even angels? Perhaps more than one? I'd love to check the comparisons

Hey, OP. Can you convert DjVu to PDF? If so, I found a link to a book by Wei Wu Wei.

So after you read all those books, what happens? Do you reach enlightenment? Do you become immortal? Do you find yourself able to talk to god?

Or you just simply end up with a bunch of theories about what might be real and what might be not, and simply choose one of them as "truth"

>>4074181
>2013
>not choosing your own truth

Brother K, do you know what Liber Mundi is, and is it included in here possibly?

You are missing one essential Yoga work my brother, The Yoga Sutras of Panjali!

>>4074100
You mean in the archive?
Grimories has a few files dealing with Goetia in a few different contexts. Henson's Lemegeton is the definitive modern edition for summoning demons.

Enochian is an entire system based on communication with angels (Martinism to but my files are sparse on those cats).

>>4074181
Ideally, you'd be doing the practices described in the texts as well. You won't progress just from reading.

Praxis = theory and practice: This archive represents guideposts on the theory part with some suggested practice. Find something that seems to get you 'results' (however you define that) and actually work it. Experiment. Compare results against the instructions, etc. Also, >>4074278

>>4074296
No and no.

>>4074353
I'm actually missing a few good works, but for now I've been leaning heavily toward Saivism because there aren't a lot of places to find good information, and it's kind of foundational to sexual magick.

>>4071410

Frater, you're the head of MEGA?
Great.
Could you include more Aurum Solis work? I'm considering joining that order and would enjoy having more up there, particularly the rest of the Denning & Phillips Magical Philosophy series. You only have the third/fifth book (depending on which publication you follow) up there.

>>4074393
Is there a beginner's section?

>>4074447

No, which is why I suggested that he uploads the rest of the Magical Philosophy series, which gives a pretty good and complete start-to-finish guide in the Aurum Solis method.

There is Evola's Introduction to Magick if you want an introduction....

>>4074393
Can you explain a little what exactly are these practices? Most of what I know about the occult and its "practices" seems to indicate that they are pretty much the same rituals that any mainstream religion would offer: Meditation, praying, consciousness of the here and now, etc. That's cool and all, but it's not the type of thing that I would spend my time readings lots of cryptic books to learn how to do.
I'm not denying that some of them can be useful, I appreciate a good yoga session and I meditate from time to time, but I see them just as ways to shape up your body, not really a gateway to any hidden truth or any secret interpretation of reality.

>>4071410
I'm highly interested OP and wonder why you would share such a vast amount of knowledge. Just for the fun of it?

Another question, I want to educate myself in these mystic, occult matters, but I would never practice any of those, because I have too much respect of the underlying forces. Can mere studying anyway somehow let certain forces be led into one's life in a negative way?
Or ist he mere theoretical studying without a practical component harmless?
It's better to be cautios in these matters I guess.

What a crock of shit

>>4074904
>because I have too much respect of the underlying forces.

LEL

>>4074892

There is a real difference between practicing and understanding - that is, TRULY understanding.

>>4075071
Man, the only argument occultists ever give is just that.
>No, you don't understand, you have to TRULY understand, and if you can't then it is just beyond you.

>>4075080

You would understand if you read the books. I'm not saying it's too difficult for you, I'm just saying that you are ignorant as-is.

Alchemy, magic, etc. etc.?

/lit/ pls

>>4075086
There is some truth in a very few documents OP posted (like 1%) but the rest are indeed bullshit.

>>4074892
If you think Yoga is purely a body shaping process I invite you to look at Raja Yoga, Shiva Samhita, The Hathayoga Pradipika, Eight Lectures on Yoga, etc.

>>4075071
>>4075080
You see, that's the thing that sucks: the heights of mysticism (the transcendental experience) IS terrifyingly difficult to put into words.

Sam Harris explains it pretty well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0B-cUSX57Q

>>4075095

Yes, of course. But you can at least get a shallow understanding of what the greatness that it entails.

Do you know any books on anti cosmic satanism?

To put it in terms /lit/ can understand, magic and the occult are disciplines aimed to be get oneself closer to the Lacanian Real.

>>4075202
That sounds truly horrifying to any Lacanian

>>4075202
>Lacanian Real
As in the objective-perceptive Real beyond all symbolizing? Sort of.

I would define the disciplines and practices as reaching toward the encounter of the "Other" of Levinas in "Totality and Infinity: An Essay on Exteriority".

Ponty's Phenomenology of Perception also plays a role.

Incidentally, both of these words are in A.'.A.'. > Philosophy.

>>4075221

What does A.'.A.'. symbolize?

>>4075222
>A.'.A.'.
It's the initials of an Order founded by Edward Alexander Crowley from the ashes of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. It means many things:

>Silver Star
>Argentium Astrum
>The Angel and the Abyss
>Arcanum Arcanorum
>Arikh Anpin (The Vast Countenance ((referencing Kether))
>Aster Argos
But the true name of the order is:
>Astron Argiron

>this fucking thread

>>4075255
Oh, what you'd rather have a:
>'Critique my writing' thread.
>Ayn Rand thread.
>DFW thread.
>Positivism thread.
>Literati feels thread.

I'm sure there are a few of these in the catalog if you'd prefer one of them.

>>4075263
I'm sorry.

>>4075263

From a completely different anon: I'm really thankful for this thread, and we could do with more occult discussions on /lit/. We should be discussing interesting thing, not pseudo-literary bullshit.

>>4075270
Then I might drop in more often.

At least you guys' trolls are literate. Unlike /x/.

>>4075274

I'm guessing you hang around at /x/. I've TRIED to do the same, but I really can't stand it. On /lit/ at least you get to argue with idiots who understand logical fallacies.

>>4075255
Might as well throw in /lit/'s big one: Pynchon's works were heavily influenced by old occult works.

>>4075282
Also, Norman Mailer, to the extent of "Ancient Evenings".

>>4075277
There are maybe 5-10 people on /x/ who can form a coherent sentence. Those cats a pretty cool as long as you don't mind slogging through the sewer of utter trash.

That's more than I can say for something like GLP, or ATS.

Heya K, I'm one of the few literate /x/ posters, but I haven't been there since the days of "The League" being relevant...

Anywho, I've bookmarked the mega and was wondering if it's open to submissions? I've got a few nice pdfs kicking about you might be interested in, and I've ahd a beef with TO.bz since they deleted all my Aural Hypnox for "not being occult music" after I directed them to their sites AND explained it in baby talk to them...

So yeah, let me know where to forward stuff

>>4075307
The "Updates/Letters" file has my email for these purposes.

In case you don't fell like dling the documents, I've left a throwaway email in the field.

>I'll also take original work, if it's coherent and has some sort of historicity. Don't send me the books directly, I need to conserve space, but let me know what you have, and we can hammer things out from there.

>>4075277
I used to lurk /x/ a lot, then I started coming to /lit/ more, and now I don't know if it was always that retarded or if went more retarded in the time I wasn't lurking.

The only thing I'd check are K's threads.

Frater are you illuminati?

What is "the real" and this transcendental sublime crazy hooha? I'm an uneducated pleb and this is too deep for me.

>>4075315

Much obliged. I don't have my archive with me (I'm on holiday atm on my netbook), but I'll see what I can do when I get back the week after next. All I can remember off the top of my head is Svoboda's "Kali" books and my "Greek and Roman Necromancy" book, but I'm sure there's more of interest to be dug up when I look though it.

Here's hoping /x/ gets back on topic in the next decade, eh? (pah!)

>>4075324
Define "Illuminati".

>>4075325
>The Real
Check out Lacan, Ponty, Levinas, Korzybski, Hume, and damn near anything about epistemology, ontology, semiotics, non-emmanationist Lurianic Kabbalah, etc.

>>4075331
All too deep for me. I'd get nothing out of it.

>>4075325
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwlirZQLAAg

>>4075331
>Define "Illuminati".

Do you run the world?

>>4075335

FOAD?

>>4075358
Not in the slightest.

>>4075357
Okay. And we approach the real through sublime art and, possibly, some of this occult stuff?
I feel it. Thanks.

>>4075368
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Schiller#Aesthetic_Letters

Check out Schiller's "On the Aesthetic Education of Man" keeping in mind his good friend Goethe was an Illuminated Seer of Bavaria, and when he's speaking of "beauty", he's also speaking of Tiphareth.

>>4075095
Okay, don't describe to me what can you learn from those books, describe to me how have they changed your life. Can you bend spoons now? Can you cut yourself and stop the bleeding with your mind? Can you willingly go into sleep mode without the need to lay on your bed for a long period of time?

If all you can learn from these books is to love other people, to accept your mortality or some other stuff like that, then I am not interested. I don't care about human knowledge. I don't want to be a better human. I want to know if there exists a real truth that is hidden to our eye, not a truth that we have made up, but a truth that really is there and can be reached and experienced.

>>4075476
>Can you bend spoons now?
Who the fuck can't bend a spoon?
>Can you cut yourself and stop the bleeding with your mind?
No one can.
>Can you willingly go into sleep mode without the need to lay on your bed for a long period of time?
You don't need fucking alchemy, magic, the holy grail or dragons for that

>>4075532
Then what can you do with that knowledge you have gained?

>>4075476

>I don't want to be a better human. I want to know if there exists a real truth that is hidden to our eye, not a truth that we have made up, but a truth that really is there and can be reached and experienced.

learning this truth IS becoming a better human being

and vice versa

>>4075539
I can enter a state of mind incomprehensible and unattainable to 99.9% of the population, a pre-symbolic space similar to the abyss of radical Otherness; the traumatic core of subjectivity; a glimpse at ultimate truth; a semblance of the Absolute.
Do you want to know what it looks like?

It looks like David Foste Wallace's sweatband

>>4075547
that sounds pretty much like going to sleep. Couldn't you just achieve such a state with drugs? Why do you have to go through extensive training to do so? Why is that good for you? How does it benefit you?

>>4075544
I don't think I made myself clear.

Take economy, for example. I have an interest in economy and politics , but I find it hard to have a passion for them. Why? Because there are too many systems, too many different approaches, capitalism, socialism, anarchism, collectivism...you name them. Lots and lots of different theories, that work for human beings.
Now, let's imagine I'm the only person left in the world. What would all this things be good for? These are things that were created for humans, by humans. First there were humans, and then humans came up with all these different methods, and systems, and theories. But they're nothing more than that. At least to my eyes.

I don't want to become a better human at knowing human things. I'm only interested in things that are supernatural, or that we don't understand. That's what I was referring to when I said I didn't want to be a "better human".

>>4075561
By pre-symbolic I obviously meant pre-ontological btw.

Now that I think about it, it might indeed be sleep, but I'm not sure. It usually happens at night after hours of strenuous physical exertion. I lie down, feel a sense of drowsiness, and suddenly I escape to this 'Place'. The next thing I know, it's morning and I don't feel tired anymore.

>>4075331
>>The Real
>Check out Lacan, Ponty, Levinas, Korzybski, Hume,

But the Real in the Lacanian sense has absolutely nothing to do with Korby's Pinball Land.

So... how good is Nesta Webster's account of the Knights/Masons and what should I read instead?

Anything good on Sufism or Muslim Mysticism up in this bitch?

>>4075622
Not particularly, but I do have some academic work on the Yezidi in the Various folder.

>>4075603
I was attempting to give multiple perspectives on the subject.

>>4075608
If you're interested in Freemaonsry, just check my file, it's got tons of stuff including the actual initiations. Also:
http://sacred-texts.com/mas/index.htm
http://www.stichtingargus.nl/vrijmetselarij/ritualen_en.html

>>4075561
The drug state is not the mystical state; drugs can lead to a mystical state, but they're not one in the same....more like siblings.

>>4075476
Magick is not throwing fireballs. Sure, there are little practical things you can do; egoistic things like harming a rival or a sudden windfall, but in the end practices like this are more or less toys. They don't lead to any 'attainment'.

Thus, after a certain point, magick (in my opinion) SHOULD be reaching toward trancendental and transformative experiences. These practices have already helped ease struggles in my life (via the practical stuff),and I'm in the same boat as you. I'm seeking the All/One. Often, this experience takes place in the context of a face-to-face encounter. Let me post something from Magick Without Tears:

>>4075951
>I have tended rather to elaborate this theme, because of the one personally important question which arises in more recent letters; for I believe that the Holy Guardian Angel is a Being of this order. He is something more than a man, possibly a being who has already passed through the stage of humanity, and his peculiarly intimate relationship with his client is that of friendship, of community, of brotherhood, or Fatherhood. He is not, let me say with emphasis, a mere abstraction from yourself; and that is why I have insisted rather heavily that the term "Higher Self" implies "a damnable heresy and a dangerous delusion."

>It it were not so, there would be no point in The Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage.

>Apart from any theoretical speculation, my Sammasiti and analytical work has never led to so much as a hint of the existence of the Guardian Angel. He is not to be found by any exploration of oneself. It is true that the process of analysis leads finally to the realization of oneself as no more than a point of view indistinguishable in itself from any other point of view; but the Holy Guardian Angel is in precisely the same position. However close may be the identities in millions of ways, no complete identification is ever obtainable.

>But do remember this, above all else; they are objective, not subjective, or I should not waste good Magick on them.

>>4075957
>It it were not so, there would be no point in The Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage.

I mean, how ridiculous would it be to suggest that there is no point in The Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage?

>>4075951
>egoistic things like harming a rival or a sudden windfall
I don't believe you can do these things. Sounds too much like fairy tales. If you learn how to do such things by reading books, then why is it not documented? Why can this only be done by people in the secrecy of a cave, a lonely mountain, where there are no witnesses?

>>4075951
>Sure, there are little practical things you can do; egoistic things like harming a rival or a sudden windfall

top fucking lel

Do you believe in fucking lizard men as well?

>>4075997
>If you learn how to do such things by reading books, then why is it not documented?
Pic related (fer book learnin').

And it's not from reading the book, it's from practicing the things described in said book, and for more than 15 minutes a day. Single pointed concentration takes an incredible amount of work.

You can't build a rocket from reading a book on how a to do it; you still have to do it. You can become a mystic from reading a book, you still have to do it.

I never made the direct claim, I was simply giving examples of what has been reported by others. Not to mention there are plenty of mystics NOT living an ascetic lifestyle, though the metaphorical "journey through the desert" and it's solitude, almost always seems to be a feature of the process....

As for proof of objective validity on the claims of others (windfall, etc.), I'm not one the sort of person to really give a shit about giving proof over the internet, just as I'm not going to give you proof of any other phenomena over the internet. I'm no master, I'm a student. I also don't care if someone believes or not. The library was posted not to convince anyone of any of it, but simply to share some rarer texts with fellow bibliophiles. That said, if you're curious about the practices....just do them. Keep a careful record of what you do and how, and a careful record of results (in any). From there you can run basic statistical testing to see if any practices have a high rate of consistency, be it in delivering expected results or inducing various trance states.

>>4076017
The ones controlling the matrix from the hollow moon?

Nope.

>>4076017
>>4075997
all you need is to have him believe in it as well. then bribe his favourite alchemist.

>>4076025
I appreciate that you've shared this books with us, don't get me wrong. I'm just wary of anything that resembles organized religion, and when you say that I can only understand these things if I read the books, and that you can't or don't want to provide any proof over the Internet, it sounds to me just like the mormons telling me to read their bible and study it with them because that way I'll see the light.

Imagine I tell you that there's a very good book that's 100.000 pages long, and that if you read it you'll be able to talk any foreign language you want. You go online for reviews, but you don't see anybody really saying if the book is good or not, or anybody proving that it works. The person that gave it to you just said that you need to read the whole book, and that it might take 4 or 5 years to finish it. And you ask him, "have you read the book?" He says "Yes" and then you continue "Can you then speak any foreign language" to which he responds "Yes, but i don't care about proving anything to you". What would you think about this person and this situation?

If I'm going to invest my time into these practices that you mention, I would at least want to see some proof. It doesn't have to be proof that you have magical powers. Just proof that this book will change your life in a way that other things won't, things like simple experience or just growing older.

>>4076051
> I'm just wary of anything that resembles organized religion
Me too.

>and when you say that I can only understand these things if I read the books
Again, that's not my implication. They're simply maps of territory you might traverse on the path.

>and that you can't or don't want to provide any proof over the Internet, it sounds to me just like the mormons telling me to read their bible and study it with them because that way I'll see the light.
I'm not about the hermenuetics, I'm about actually doing the practices (i.e. Yoga or ceremonial magick). The difference between me and the Mormon is that I'm not looking for converts, or to spread the "word". I don't want anyone practicing parallel to me that was weak enough to be persuaded by another person saying magick is a good idea. Someone simply asked, and I gave a few examples of what may be possible.

I can give you many anecdotes about magick but that's not 'proof', I could take the time out of my day to give record every second of experience between performing a ritual and getting a result....but why would I do that for someone else? Even then, for example, in a windfall scenario, there'd be no control for someone prearranging things before I begin taping everything....

So, like I said, if you're interested in what these practices *may* have to offer you, try them out for a month. If nothing happens, at least you'll have gained some discipline that you might not have otherwise had the opportunity to begin.

I'm far more interested in the phenomena experienced in mystical contexts than the language game of parsing out their objective validity

>>4076082
Give me some examples of your ceremonial magick. What do you do?

>>4076025
>I'm not one the sort of person to really give a shit about giving proof over the internet,
as in the kind that can't

>>4076089
Same guy here. I am genuinely interested, not being a condescending piece of shit empiricst, positivist, materialist, reductionist butt

>>4076082
I know some people don't feel like sharing their experiences, I myself practice martial arts and don't like it when people ask me to show them some cool movements, it makes me feel like a clown. But are you sure there's absolutely nothing that you can talk about? Just one or two experiences that you've had where you've put that knowledge into practice that we can be like "Oh yeah, that's definitely something worth investing my time into".

>>4076089
Solar adorations, lunar adorations, Goetia, various bits and pieces from David Griffin's Ritual Magick Manual, operations of my own design, initiations, etc.

Invocation, evocation, assumption of godforms, sexual magick, and any other mode of practice that fits my needs.

>>4076105
yeah, but what do you do exactly? Tell me the sexual magick ritual ;)

>>4076105

Frater. There are a lot of Hermetic and Thelemic orders out there, but not many Goetic. Why is that? It seems that Goetia is pretty difficult to do on your own, and is very complex, and also very worthwhile.

>>4076109
not that I can't perform in bed or anything, it has nothing to do with that, like, at all, don't make such a weird assumption, that's irrational and quite immature really, don't be silly

>>4076101
Ok, I'll bite for a small handful of memorable experiences:

The first time I though there might be something to the practical aspect of all this I was around 14 (I'm 26). I was an edgy little atheistic shit, but was getting interested in LaVey's psychological view of magick and concepts of "intellectual decompression", or liminality. Anyway, I get into an altercation at school with this huge redneck piece of shit and he attacks me twice; once I got roughed up pretty bad, the next I was more prepared and ended up doing some decent damage to him, and he backed off, but I was still pissed. In my anger I used a modified version of the destruction rite in the Satanic Bible, just because.

A few days later I heard at a family reunion that the target had flipped an atv onto himself just a little while earlier...so I started to delved deeper.

About four or five years ago, I needed a change in my life. I didn't care where from. I used the Goetia entity Oriax to cause this. I got a wild hair up my ass in the middle of a class at Uni and started preparing all the sigils needed on paper (I'd rather be doing this sort of thing at home with my own tools, but didn't have access.

I went out in the woods, performed the preliminary invocation of the Goetia, the charge, etc., and had a clear as day vision of the entity (Loin head, man arms, serpent body) bracing itself against two trees. I asked for something. ANYTHING to change, and wind up with more knowledge than before. Immediately after the license to depart I ran into a guy at the student center, friend of a friend passing through town selling 2-CE. I buy three hits and take them on the way home.

I study the anthropology and neurology of religion and ritual academically, so when I experienced a voice from about a foot above and behind my left ear, I took notice (often a symptom in direct information transmission). In the end I was directed outside, where things get even fuzzier, but that night something was communicating as I was coming down, I was compelled to begin the serious disciplined study of Thelema again. I've had similar experiences to this outside of drug influence (and is another example of the segue from drug to mystical state).

More?

>>4076130
>Sorry if I was weary of posting this, I've told a few of these stories more times than I can count for /x/philes. I get sick of typing it out.

>>4076112
OTA is Goetic. You can get by with minimal tools, though it's nice to have as much as you can (mirror, censor, full chalked floor, etc.).

It's a wonderful practice, and serves for some really convincing personal experiences. Also, keep pic related in mind. I'm not above the psychological view of magick, I just don't think it's the whole story. We have to guard against attributing any objective validity to anything unless there's proof; to do otherwise is the path to delusion.

>>4076109
>>4076113
Sexual rituals are pretty cut and dry and either involve use of sexual fluids for consecration/talisman creation (think 'holy oil') or for the purposes of communicating with an entity invoked into one of the participants.

Eroto-comatose lucidity is often used (at least in Thelema and most genuine Left Hand path systems) as a method of inducing trance states.

>>4076130
Thats just coincidences. You can't prove that it was the actual magic!

>>4076130
>More
Please. I'm specially interested in stories of change and self-improvement. Right now I'm in a quandary about my life. I feel that I've accomplished nothing and I'm entertaining thoughts of both killing myself and also of just stop being such a gigantic beta faggot and getting a job, buying nice clothes and reading some of those books on how to pick up women and have lots of friends. So anything that involves change interests me at this point.

>>4076151
Grow a spine

>>4076148
Synchronicity may well be the culprit, but changes neither the significance of those events to me or the perception of those phenomena.

>>4076130

Can you talk a bit about about what you think of Hermetic Qabalah?

Also, how difficult is Goetia really? I looked into a summary using Waite's book of ceremonial magic, and it seems very complex, certain things only able to be done in certain times of the year, a massive ingredient list, etc.

>>4076151
>I feel that I've accomplished nothing and I'm entertaining thoughts of both killing myself and also of just stop being such a gigantic beta faggot and getting a job, buying nice clothes and reading some of those books on how to pick up women and have lots of friends.
You should really get some psychotherapy before starting a serious magickal practice.

Multiple Ordos will flat out tell you this, even if your life is great and you're not struggling. I mean, fuck, Regardie was a Reichain psychotherapist.

>mfw grown men on /lit/ believe in magic

Seriously though, I don't know anything about anything, so who am I to judge

>>4076157
>Hermetic Qabalah
What about it?

>I looked into a summary using Waite's book of ceremonial magic, and it seems very complex, certain things only able to be done in certain times of the year, a massive ingredient list, etc.
It's as hard as you make it. Like I said, strive for everything, for everything else, substitute. For example, you could put down the circle on a sheet or some such thing and unroll it if you're doing it in a room with carpet. Be creative.

As a note, the Henson edition of Lemegeton is the best, academically speaking, edition of the Goetia. He restored the sigils Crowley fucked up and a few other things.

OP, in the Mysteria Magica ("Fundamental Techniques of High Magick") which you happen to have in your collection it states that there are significant differences between results of using the Greek and Hebrew incantations, and that each serves its own separate purpose. Is that true, or just a gimmick proposed by Ordo Aurum Solis?

Hermes Trismegistus, thats my nigga right there. I read about him in the Manly P Hall's book The Secret Teachings of All Ages. He had some sort of mystical experience with some visions and honestly i sounded like he ate some psychedelic mushroom that induced the visions. Anyway, i like that Hermes guy and his philosophy, good healthy teachings or whatever.

What do you think of Hermes and his teachings?

Think there is a link between mushrooms and magic?

What about Manly P Hall? He seemed like a really wise dude, really down to earth though..

Messy post and i don't know much about esoteric/occult stuff so yeah. Interested in hearing your thoughts on these things though

>>4076191
It entirely depends on the context. Thelema mixes the two languages pretty liberally....then that's been a tradition since long before with Goetia and Abramelin. That said, the preliminary invokation of Goetia is based on the Greek Magickal Papyrus....so I guess my answer is that if you're trying to do a synchretic practice, it doesn't matter much, but if you're trying an 'authentic' or reconstructed operation, try to be as 'pure' as possible.

>>4075567

my response is first that there are many things about humans that we d not understand (for instance, we appear unique in the universe so far). Second, humans have been reported to be capable of supernatural powers, most commonly by possessing extreme spiritual powers in the form of saints, mystics, and prophets

the road to knowledge of of the superhuman is by understanding the human

>>4076201

Most modern Western magicians practice Hermetic magic. As for the mushrooms, many religious customs have included the consumption of some substance which caused an "opening of the mind". For the Hindus, there was a beverage made from some now-extinct plant which only the head priests could consume, and it was supposed to allow the gods to act through his body.

>>4076207
>humans have been reported to be capable of supernatural powers, most commonly by possessing extreme spiritual powers in the form of saints, mystics, and prophets

Humans have also been reported capable of being impregnated by a mysterious ghost or coming back to life. You get my point?

>>4076201
>What do you think of Hermes and his teachings?
It's just a reference to certain Egyptian mysteries. It's great, but does little standing by itself. It should really be appended to it's root Egyptian or other mystical practices. Hell, that's where you get the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. That plus a little SRIA Freemasonry.

>mushrooms and magick
Maybe. Like I said, I don't think psychedelic states and mystical ones are the same, but drug experiences can lead to mystical ones

>Manly P. Hall
Great stuff. Secret Teachings is still a good start in all of this.

>>4076217

of course humans can come back to life (resuscitation)

as for the first, if you accept the premise that there are supernatural things, you have no logical reason to deny ghost-impregnation as a possibility

This is astounding!

I only just arrived, so I hope I am not too late to start reading through the thread and such... Frater K thank you for starting this discussion; it is easily one of the best threads I have seen here in a while

It will take me a while to peruse this, but as far as I am concerned this thread needs to stay alive for a long time to come

>>4076209
>>4076225
Thank you both.

bros...i dont fuck with this magick shit, but i was just reading jack parsons book of babalon, kind of laughing to myself reading about him and his "air daggers" or w/e. but eventually he has a communication with the goddess of babalon who makes him compose "liber 49" and bros.

fuck. i got to about the 6th or 7th "axiom" or whatever you want to call it and my fucking left hand started to get really numb and i felt like my consciousness was getting really foggy and the light in the room in front of me didn't change, but it looked completely different in a way i can't even describe. it's like my mind went into a different mode where i started to see common things differently. could just be me imagination runnin wild (tho even as i type this im seeing weird vaguely hieroglyphic patterns on the screen) but does any of this sound familiar to any of you?

>>4076309
pretty sure you had a minor heart attack, m8.

>>4076179
What about Peterson's Lemegeton?

>>4076357
Henson's is the best.

FWIW, I'll be adding another update tonight or tomorrow morning; almost 40 texts, including what I need to complete the Chumbley/Cultus Sabati folders.

>>4076309
go to the doctor

so where should I start reading all this

>>4077225

Anywhere, really.

I've spent my early twenties reading anything regarding magic/spirituality I could get my hands on (I'm now probably far too old to be on this site).

Let me let you in on a little secret: aside from VERY broad lines generally agreed on, no one has the slightest fucking clue about anything at all, regardless of how much they might like to convince you otherwise.

>>4074393
Yes in the archive
Thanks, the Geosophia Vols were helpful, they mention several different spirits. Tyson's Enochian Magick was a little of column A and B, it talks about the angels and the origin of Dee and Kelly's experiences, but summoning and invocation stuff is too scary for me, that's why I'm looking for material that talks about these entities. Should they have literal effects, I've heard many things about spirits and such. Some say demons are fine and sociable, some say they're the poltergeists that will burn everything, same with djinns. Some say angels are nice, others say angels are even more dangerous and will cost you an arm.

Also, back to Enochian, or really any ceremonial practice, what are they for? Tyson's book has an entire system with an language and the time of days and prayers, and how to do them, but it's alot of stuff of Watchtowers and Aethers

>>4076309

That's just the Liber Antivirus. They does that to retarded people who read them.

Frater K - do you take on initiates? If so, what are the requirements to become one?

JUST TELL ME WHAT TO DO

and get your hands off my wallet!

>>4077558

That's not >>4077555 (me), by the way. I guess that I will adopt a tripcode so as to avoid confusion.

>>4076309
Yeah that happens to me too but it feels psychosomatic.

>>4077555
No.

Not from 4chan at least.

>>4077744
Added:
>Completed Chumbley folder
>Completed Cultus Sabbati folder
>A.'.A.'. > Philosophy
PANPARADOX ( a Chatoe analysis of PAN but seems perfectly fitting with everything else in the
folder).
>A.'.A.'. > Thleema
Addes a Starfire folder, with two old issues.
>A.'.A.'. > Thelema > JFC Fuller
The Black Arts.
>Chaos
The Black Ship (Chaote take on the ordeals of the Angel and Abyss; was not impressed at all).
Chaotopia: Sorcery and Ecstacy in the Fifith Aeon.
>European
New folder, added an analysis of Hel.
>Enochian
Sigillum Dei Aemeth.
>Freemaonsry > Martinism
Light of Martinism.
>In Grimories
A folder of pamphlets from Jake Stratton Kent:
Firmost and Klepoth, Elogap, Goetic Divination, The Headless One, Lunar Formula of IAO.
A Handbook of Egyptian Religion.
>In Golden Dawn
Wescott's Collecteanea Hermetica vol 1-6.
>Gnostic StudiesGnostic Theurgy.
>LHP
Gee: Tree of Death and the Qlipoth (seems odd as fuck, written like a Masters Thesis...seemed legit at
first glance, but may be shit).
Fire and Ice: Brotherhood of Saturn – Dr. Steven Flower's take on Fraternitas Saturni.
>LHP > O9A
Series of pamphlets by the Oder of THEM revising a lot of the core material. 2010
>LHP > Koetting
Rape of the Archangels.

>>4077744
That's discrimination.

I would kindly ask you to fuck off, you intolerant lizard-man.

>>4077750
I prefer giving instruction face to face.

>>4077745
Dear Frater:
How do I into
Like srysly, there are a freakin amount of books.
I know a little about tarot and astrology (a friend of mine is really into that stuff).
Thank you a lot!

>>4077755
post pic with timestamp

>>4077765
>65
Um.

No.

whats a left hand path

>>4077771
The contemporary conception of the Left Hand Path is tied with Satanism, ego crystallization (as opposed to dissolution), and transgressionism.

The ancient Hindi conception of the LHP was that most of transgression - they sough to lose self in various culturally unacceptable practices. Meat eating, cannibalism, ritual drug use, ritual sex, etc.

>>4077775
C'mon man, give me a hand!>>4077758

>>4077787
wtf, you sound like that suicidal faggot in Demian

>>4077789
So you read Hesse despite it bein the current year? You sure are pleb
>Implyin im not readin the siddhartha right now

>>4077744

So, roughly where in the world are you located? And would you at least consider pointing me in the right direction for initiation (except for continuing to read, but that is obvious).

>>4077810
protip: the initiation ritual is sucking his cock until 'magic', 'ethereal' substance squirts out

>>4077810
I'm in American flyover country.

How new to all of this are you? What are you looking for in an initiatory order.

I can give lots of links for them, but it's best if you gathered their histories and practices before asking a stranger on the internet to link you to direct you an initiatory body.

I mean, who's to say I just don't link you to some dangerous cult?

>>4077817
Ok ok, I kno why you are ignorin me muthafuka. Good questions lead to good answers yeah? Oook, I guess Ill surf all the pdfs.
Thanks for compilin all tha stuff anyway!

>>4077817
links pls. I will take my chances with the cults.

>>4077817

Oh, all right. I'm in Europe.

I'm pretty new to occult studies. I've only read a bit of Evola and Guénon and some other Traditionalist thinkers, and some hellenists. I try to follow a Stoic way of living, but it is not so easy (but I am doing better than most, I think).
I'm very interested in a more serious order, preferably of Pythagorean inspirations (I am academically interested in the more dark stuff, but it is not a path that I wish to engage as the purpose of my life or anything) - I seek initiation because I believe it to be a much more effective way of finding knowledge and Transcendence.
As for dangerous cults, I will simply use my good judgement - I am not too afraid of what someone on the internet will link me - I'm not dumb, so I think I will be fine.

>>4077834

Oh, and for the record I will ONLY post with my tripcode in this thread. Disregard all these trolls.

>>4077834

Addition: I am also highly interested in Nordic traditions and hermeticism, even though I have had a very hard time finding such. If you have any recommendations on that front I would be very obliged.

>>4077834
>I'm not dumb, so I think I will be fine.

your interest in this suggests otherwise

>>4077841

You must be an highly enlightened being, hanging around this thread then.

>>4077834
FS, DR, and OTO will probably be a little too transgressive for you.

Your best bet is to find a Golden Dawn/Rosicrucian outfit; unfortunately, I don't know the European situation for those groups.

I do know that the BTW in Europe is strong...but they're not quite Traditionalists either...unless you can find an Alexandrian group.

>>4077854

I'm not really too interested in GD/Rosicrucianism. Well, there might be some valuable information I could get out of them, but in general they are way too mellow and Hebrew/Christian for my tastes. There might also be some secret groups that are good - know of any?
I might just try BTW, but I'm not sure if it will be my thing either. Know of any Alexandrian groups?

>>4077862

(Secret GD/RC groups, that is)

>>4077862
Well, huh.

You say that GD/RS is too mellow....but I take it something like DR would be too intense? OTO would be a decent middle ground, but they're not a teaching Order.

A.'.A.'. would let you have a lot of independent study, but they may be a little on the advanced side. The Probation period is hardcore. Some lineages will make you take a sizable written exam before even considering you.

>>4077869

Well, strictly speaking my issue with GD/RS is that they seem to be very Hebrew/Christian, and also Globalists - so it's more of a political/religious conflict than a practical issue with their teachings. I don't think OTO is my thing, but I am willing to give it a try. Same thing with A.'.A.'..
I'm not too versed with the different orders, so any advice is very welcome. What is DR acronym for?

>>4077882
Dragon Rouge.

>>4077890

Ooh, actually did not know if it. Thanks for that, it seems very interesting and there is a lodge pretty near me. I will read some more about them and then see if membership if initiation is an option.

>>4077896

So, after a bit of googling... Do you have any reading recommendations - anything in the MEGA link, for example, about DR?
How dangerous are they - as in, will they force you to drink blood and take substances and kill you if you try to leave, or are they basically what they represent themselves as?

>>4077903
I know very little about it. They're not an American phenomena.

There's an academic study in my LHP folder called Embracing the Dark which should fill you in on some of the finer points.

>>4077911

All right, thank you very much!

started reading the kabbalistic mirror of genesis last night. it's actually really good. regardless of how you feel about the occult, it's a great read for understanding the kabbalistic "worldview."

>>4077935
I fucking love that book.

DCS has a new one coming out in Sept. called "Blazing Dew of Stars".

>>4077869
>The Probation period is hardcore.
Mine was rather tame, at least as far as I remember.

Also, for good books: "My Big TOE" by T. Campbell is a very good intro to the mechanics of astral/ physical interaction.

>>4077979

Out of curiosity, what does the Probation period entail? What prior knowledge is required?

>>4078018
>Out of curiosity, what does the Probation period entail?
You pick one practice (yoga or ritual), and perform it for the whole duration.
You experiment with all sorts of practices that you wish.
You memorize one chapter of Liber Cordis Cincti Serpente.
You keep a strict record of all the above.
Then you get advanced to Neophyte.

>What prior knowledge is required?
Whatever is in the A∴A∴ syllabus (Appendix 1 of Liber ABA).

>>4078027

All right, thank you.

Oh, and just a wild shot here... I know it is very unlikely that anyone here will know, but I am looking for information about the Real Pythagorean brotherhood, and the scriptures of Pythagoras (most people I have asked have not even known of these). Any information would be helpful.

>>4071410
Which book would you recommend to a noob ? I'm kinda lost with all those books in your folders...

TY.

Are tulpas legit?

/lit/, I would like to know your opinion:
If an immortal sentient being was born and lived inside an empty space where said being couldn't be able to move or feel anything, but could still think with his mind would this being be able to find any kind of truth?

>>4078783
>implies truth is objective

Have fun with this, kids. Meanwhile I'll get my popcorn and watch from the sidelines of this nonsense question.

>>4078501
Tulpas are as real as the tulpa themselves

>>4078787
>>4078787
>implying I implied truth is objective

Actually, I changed my mind. I don't your opinion anymore, /lit/. Thanks, anyway.

>>4078783

He must have at least some trace of a frame, so I believe that yes - assuming infinite time.

>>4078787

Truth IS objective. Haven't you got some DFW or critique my writing thread to hang out in?

>>4078795

Or let me correct myself: Truth is not objective, but Absolute. There is a difference here. Facts are objective, Truth is Absolute.

So a good /x/ thread lasts days on /lit/, but would gain no responses on /x/ itself? If there were good ol' days, I'd be thinking of them right now...

...but as is, I'm still searching for a decent #occult IRC...

ah well, at least I know some people are still interested in learning "the real" instead of pretending to have read Crowley and having never heard of Levi.

Oh, and too many of pic related.

>>4078813

>that picture

I am losing my sides here, please stop.

>>4078823
On that matter, I know this chart is BS, but I can't seem to find any reputable sources on the chakras. So far I've been told to get gud or read more Crowley, never any legitimate directions to sources.

Do you have any?

>>4078813
>...but as is, I'm still searching for a decent #occult IRC...
#thelema @ Rizon

Basically the "more literate" guys from /x/. Not very much, but we know our 101's.

>>4078837
Shiva Samhita, Tantraloka, the Vedas.

>>4078837

I'm not the person to ask at all, but the OP has some chakra stuff in the MEGA link I think.

>>4078843
http://www.yogastudies.org/wp-content/uploads/Shiva_Samhita.pdf

This a good version of the Samhita?

>>4078853
Probably. Not on a proper connection to download, but yeah.
Also, Raja Yoga by Vivekananda is a good one.

>>4078838
Ok, help me out in setting up an IRC here. First timer. Which server to use, and how to connect to the channel?

>>4078870
irc.rizon.net
/join #thelema
/nick [whateveryouwant]

Or you could use mibbit.

http://mibbit.com/?channel=%23thelema&server=rizon.mibbit.org

(assuming you're still here) Frater, I was perusing that lovely Evola folder, and was wondering if you might have "The Yoga of Power", as I've found it kind of hard to track down...

Oh, and I've noticed you've already got the Svoboda books I mentioned earlier, so i shan't need to forward you them, but I shall recommend them to anyone reading this paragraph that's interested in Kundalini/Yoga/Kali in general, one of the few well-researched books on the subject I've found in an age where people don't tell you that higher asanas can cause blindness...

>>4078373

I've found references in some Greek texts to Pythagorean cults, and IIRC Montague Summers wrote about a ritual briefly w/o citing a source (as usual...), but I don't think any actual "original" texts survive. I looked for them myself about a decade ago, but I guess the nature of the 'net means it MIGHT be out there?

>>4078915

Well, many Freemasons claim that their orders originate from the Pythagorean brotherhood, but they are very different from what I am looking for. It would surprise me if the original brotherhood had not survived to this day - but it is probably extremely secretive. The same goes with his texts - a couple of greek historians, Cicero among them I think, claim that he wrote texts that he gave to his children that none other than his family would be allowed to read. I have also heard that his brotherhood did have in their possession some form of writings. I don't think it is anything that can ever be found in a library, let alone the net - but it might be possible to find references to the texts among true pythagoreans. I guess it might be somewhat like searching for the Holy Grail, literally speaking.

>>4078944

(Also, fuck, Cicero wasn't greek, but yeah, you get what I mean. Cicero got it from them.)

I would like to start practicing yoga, but it seems there are so many school of thoughts, how do you choose the one to start to study? Is there a basic one?

>>4078980
You look for a school where you can learn how to asana and pranayama, and once you master those, you may take up any book on the subject and practice more advanced stuff.

>>4078980
Raja Yoga - Vivekananda.
Liber E - Crowley.
Liber RV - Crowley

>>4078995
>>4078998
Thank you

To OP or anyone who can answer --
What do you think of Lawrence Leshan? I read his "Psychology of War" and loved it. He's eloquent and well read as fuck and he made some really solid arguments. Later I found out that he's an ardent defender of parapsychology. I'm interested, but I want to know if he's a good starting point or if he's too pleb to bother with or whatever, he doesn't seem to regard all that moon rune astral projection shit but he does make some very bold assertions (communion with the dead, telepathy, etc.)

Frater K,

What is one supernatural / paranormal thing you have witnessed or performed yourself?

>>4079249
I don't think he's here, however the lower section of this page is his.

http://z.lvxnox.com/z/pasta/greentext

>>4079257
I took Lucie months ago and managed to fight the biggest trauma of my subconsciousness. (However it was not imediately after the trip, but took a process of realization). The process of it during the trip felt as if "demons were being pulled out" of my body". Months later as I was going to bed one night, I saw some black silhouettes floating near me and it seemed like they were trying to re-enter my body, but to no avail. I was fearless.

What do you make of that?

>>4079304
Most probably a flashback.
But in a more "spooky" way, such apparitions are quite common when dealing with personal problems; symbolic representations of the programming we shed.

>>4079308
Thanks for that explanation. It's nice to hear such things from someone else, since I am pretty much alone with my experiences, at the moment.
The experience that cause the trauma is almost 20 years back and I could NEVER, even in the slightest, remember anything.
Lucie showed it to me in full clarity, and now I am free. It's definitely sacred.
But don't you ever use it (imo), without professional observation, if you want to obtain positive results which are not life-threatening.

>>4071410

you are de deeepest bro i know

your deeds shall be remembered for ever

>only one mention of Liber Mundi ITT

Yeah nah. None of you have any real occult knowledge.

>>4080770
http://www.minerva.mic.ul.ie//vol3/liber.html

>>4080904
>According to a footnote in Waite, op cit, p 129, “The Book M: has been identified with Minutus Mundus …(however) it might be an arcane instrument rather than a written volume.” Paul Foster Case, in his speculative volume, The True and Invisible Rosicrucian Order identifies The Book M with the following: Liber Mundi, Book of Life, Book of the World, and Book of Nature.

Um...

Bump?

>>4081229
I've been thinking about the kill/fill issue.
Fill is the only fitting option in a Saivist context, at least as far as I can see.
Agreed?

>>4081239
Completely.

I honestly feel, though, that both work perfectly well, and are both describing the same concept of being completely subsumed.

My big problem with the change is that the last edition of AL...AND Law is for All...uses the convention of fill. Even if the Stele analysis changed over time, he never edited a change in his published versions of AL.

It's just a ploy to get all the Order members to buy a new version of AL to use as a paperweight.....

>>4081246
Back on point though, I think it's fitting that in Law is for All, he equates the "fill" passage with the Rosicrucian Benediction, validating the Saivist/Vama Marg interpretation.

cool thread, I hope you guys continue when this hits the max post limit :)

>>4081550
Sure will. We've had a ton of these on /x/, however they most often devolve into shitposting.

>>4081558
I've actually started on Bardon's Initiation to Hermetics and enjoy it very much so far. I plan to follow through with it, which is not asking much since the first couple steps are identical to the yoga / meditation training I practice

>>4081550
Maybe, that'll depend.

We could discus specific books, but that may get old pretty fast. I hear you folks are the de facto philosophy board (as indicated by a few threads today). That would open up the discussion a little bit.

>>4072909

Seconding torrent request. Would really be appreciated, I keep getting temporarily unavailable every time any of the files get to 99%.

>>4081899
What browser are you using?

>>4081904

I tried it with both Firefox and Chrome over a few days. At first I thought it was getting too much traffic due to people downloading it, but it's still happening.

I've also tried running in administration mode as well as turning off SSL. I only managed to get Aurum Solis but even that one doesn't work anymore, as soon as any file gets to 99%, it says temporarily unavailable.

>>4081913
Hm. I just downloaded an entire folder no problem.

Have you tried getting them as .zip files; that seemed to help some /x/philes. I use Chromium, and I've yet to have trouble with it.

>>4081923

Had before but I tried again. Says Temporarily Unavailable still, at exactly 99%.

I've been trying to learn more about the occult for a while now. This is an awesome list.

Do you happen to have Scarlet Imprint's "Howlings"? I had it some time ago but lost it...

>>4082022
That's one of the few Scarlet Imprint I've not been able to find; I don't even think Occult.bz has it - I can poke around for it again.

>>4081988
Sorry, man. Maybe try: clearing your cache, using chromium, waiting another day or two. It's beta so the service can be wonky.

For the record, I've tried to make a .pdf, but my bandwidth is absolute shit. Even with only four people it would have taken a week to distribute it the first time. I know a few folks with high speed connections that grabbed the entire content of this thing, so I can maybe talk them into making one. I'd be more than happy to seed it as long as I wasn't the only one.

It's also an ongoing project (that's running out of areas to grow in, honestly. There are some gaps I can fill but at this point it's ancient manuscripts, academic, and RC/Martinism I've got left to fill out.

>>4082068
>tried to make a *torrent*

Thank you OP. Blessings to you.

Frank Pig wrote Book M

>>4081988
>>4082068

Snooped aound somewhat of a solution for anyone having issues with the download.

http://www.moparscape.org/smf/index.php?topic=626830.0

I'll confirm in the morning to see if everything downloaded accordingly.

>>4082990

Ooh, thanks for this. I managed to get most files, but lots popped up as "temporarily unavailable" (I went folder by folder by file, so no zip files for me).
I will make a torrent if this works well, and put it on my seedbox for a little while.

>>4083190

Okay, so it seems that many of the files are still erroring out. Do you guys want me to make a torrent of all the stuff that I DID manage to download (and sort into folders properly, unlike with the megadownloader)?

>>4083293
>>4083190
Dude, be my guest. These books are free. As in Freedom.

My only regret is that MEGA isn't a more stable resource.

>>4083370
We could always get an I2P or Onion site with all of this.

>>4083376
Hey, I advocated that a year ago, but we agreed that Onionland was not really the best option. And given the current situation on their network....I don't know.

I have been wanting to check out Hyperboria for a while. They seem small, cozy, and serious.

>>4083381
Well, yeah. But I'm becoming more and more disillusioned with clearweb. Hell, we could just have an FTP with a password or something, and pass it out through e-mail or so.

Meh. All in all, we're set for now anyways.

>>4083382
>I'm becoming more and more disillusioned with clearweb
http://hyperboria.net/

>>4083392
Getting it now. Looks pretty legit.
How sure are we it isn't backdoored?

>>4083400
>>4083392

Why are afraid for uploading occult books? just upload them to en.bookfi.org

>>4083408
Most of them are still copyrighted, and some are extremely expensive.

>>4083409

There was a book called lucifers manual or something like this it was pretty expensive i had it but i cant find it do you guys happen to have it?

>>4071941
what do you mean ACTUAL MYSTICISM - I'm very interested in the topic

I might be interested in making a small, private, invite-only website with direct uploads and downloads - kind-of like Mega, but structured for books. Have you seen aaaaarg.org? Something that, but structured for quality.

>>4071410
Doom Thanks You

http://www.reddit.com/r/occult/comments/1clw4j/uhh_phil_hine_on_foucault_nietzsche/

>>4083473
>invite only
I'm still a fan of free distribution, but feel free to do whatever you want with anything you find on there that's to your liking.

>>4083409
Not to mention internal OTO doc which has gotten the Occult Carrot into trouble a few years back. There was a scare for a while that it might have disappeared.

>>4083746

The reason it would have to be pretty closed-off is that it otherwise quickly gets shut-down by authorities. One might try putting up a public tracker, too, but it would be difficult.

>>4082990
>>4083293

Same happened to me, managed to get about 2.36 Gbs worth of files pretty quickly actually but all the others errored out. I'm assuming this is what kept giving us the temporarily unavailable.

Thanks for the thread, I don't believe in the occult but you seem knowledgeable.

Do you know where I can find amateur translations of Giordano Bruno ? I read his mainstream stuff and recent french translations, but some if his books are only in latin/italian.

>>4083746

There was a book called lucifers manual or something like this it was pretty expensive i had it but i cant find it do you guys happen to have it?

a.k.a. francis bacon nice one