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/lit/, have you ever run into one of those abominably intelligent old men? The kind that've spent their entire lives reading, writing, and arguing -- and have done so with the same vitality for 40+ years?

It's frightening, almost. It makes one feel small.

>> No.3866498

More frightening are the young ones who are smarter even than the old ones. My Admin Law prof first did his PhD in philosophy before getting his JD and was one of the few people I've ever met able to make me feel stupid. I came to him with a paper idea I thought was amazing, which I'd pieced together over the span of a week and which I figured he'd totally love since it had some major philosophy of law implications. He sat there, 35 years old rocking his silly sneakers and proceeded to ask some alarmingly-pointed questions about my paper idea that had me just sitting there, staring blankly. I left his office feeling like a fucking idiot.

Ultimately I did great on the paper but he might as well have been a separate species of human. Some people are in their own league as far as intellectual capacity goes.

>> No.3866500

Yes. It's don't know if it's worse to an encounter an icon you've built up who does not live up to your idealized image, or does. It's disillusioning on both fronts, either one of the few heroes you've to look up to is shot back down to mundane mediocre reality, or he isn't, while you and everyone you know are still stuck here, the path to their level of genuine greatness totally inconceivable, unattainable. Everything you've done and are doing takes a shock of reality, compared to truly valuable work. Anxiety, insecurity, dread.

>> No.3866518

>>3866482
in the case of my uncle, who is 6'8'' 400lbs and owns half as many books as my local library(and twice as many guns as my local police department), it makes one feel literally small.

>> No.3866519

I love these people. Especially when they've remained blithely unaware that nobody else can humanly work to their standard, and why not is just another range of research waiting to be introduced to them and enthusiastically engaged with.
It reminds one that one is just a man, and even then one is not in the running for the ubermensch.

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>>3866519
>It reminds one that one is just a man, and even then one is not in the running for the ubermensch.
Implying geezerly beta academics are anything close to ubermensch

>> No.3866540

>>3866529
>implying ivory tower is the whole world
maybe go outside? there's people there too.

>> No.3866546

>>3866540
>there's people
There are people, not there is

And the fact you reference research suggested you were referring to academics. Lame.

>> No.3866548

>>3866498
>was one of the few people I've ever met able to make me feel stupid

>he thinks he's smarter than practically everyone

People like you always make me sad. How will you ever learn anything, if you already think you know everything?

>> No.3866565

>>3866546
>corrects idiomatic speech
>feels free to use his own

I'm not sure if you think it's lame when people research without academics, refer to research outside academic infrastructure, or just when you get your panties in a twist because you project things into your reading. Whichever it is, good luck with the limp.

>> No.3866586 [DELETED] 

>>3866565
There's nothing idiomatic about butchering verb tenses, do you even English?

>I'm not sure if you think it's lame when people research without academics, refer to research outside academic infrastructure, or just when you get your panties in a twist because you project things into your reading. Whichever it is, good luck with the limp.
Considering you describe "work[ing]" to "their standard" in the context of research it's pretty clear the post is in reference to academia. Few other domains have standards of research.

Beyond that, you don't understand the ubermensch at all if you think it simply has to do with a superior intellectual capacity. Go read Thus Spoke Zarathustra more carefully, please.

>> No.3866590

It saddens me to think that I will probably never get to participate in a lecture given by Dr. Mansfield. After reading Tocqueville for the 1st time,it was his translation notes that let me know my 1st impression of Alexis' America wasn't wrong. It was only after reading Strauss that I realized how carefully worded his short and straightforward intro to Tocqueville really is.

>> No.3866591

>>3866565
There's nothing idiomatic about butchering the most basic principles of grammar, do you even English?

>I'm not sure if you think it's lame when people research without academics, refer to research outside academic infrastructure, or just when you get your panties in a twist because you project things into your reading. Whichever it is, good luck with the limp.
Considering you describe "work[ing]" to "their standard" in the context of research it's pretty clear the post is in reference to academia. Few other domains have standards of research.

Beyond that, you don't understand the ubermensch at all if you think it simply has to do with a superior intellectual capacity. Go read Thus Spoke Zarathustra more carefully, please.

>> No.3866606

>>3866586
>There's nothing idiomatic about butchering verb tenses
>nothing idiomatic
>do you even English?

I think you might need to learn how to clauses before telling someone you're better aware of other's implication than they are.

You might want to note some adverbs and that your reading comprehension is shit before you try to assume I've said "the ubermensch [...] simply has to do with a superior intellectual capacity".

You seem really invested in being right. This is going to be fun :D

>> No.3866624 [DELETED] 

>>3866606
>I think you might need to learn how to clauses before telling someone you're better aware of other's implication than they are.
>other's
It's others' or others's

>You might want to note some adverbs and that your reading comprehension is shit before you try to assume I've said "the ubermensch [...] simply has to do with a superior intellectual capacity".
>It reminds one that one is just a man, and even then one is not in the running for the ubermensch.
>nobody else
Implying that these pedantic geeks you describe are in the "running for hte ubermensch"

Switch disciplines, please. English isn't your forté.

>> No.3866626

>>3866606
>I think you might need to learn how to clauses before telling someone you're better aware of other's implication than they are.
>other's
It's others' or others's

>You might want to note some adverbs and that your reading comprehension is shit before you try to assume I've said "the ubermensch [...] simply has to do with a superior intellectual capacity".
>It reminds one that one is just a man, and even then one is not in the running for the ubermensch.
>nobody else
Implying that these pedantic geeks you describe are in the "running for the ubermensch"

Switch disciplines, please. English isn't your forté.

>> No.3866648

>>3866626
It's other's or others'. How's American English treating you- can you passive voice anything?

>Implying that these pedantic geeks you describe are in the "running for the ubermensch"

I was implying something about people other than the people I was professing love for. I'll let you off this if you can tell me whose slave I'm quoting in the first clause it's the bit before the first comma

I like how you add the accent to forte, and assume me to be in a discipline, and that standards of work only apply to academic research...this, combined with your idiom and refusal of others', suggests to me you will never pay off the debt you are amassing with the knowledge you aren't.

>> No.3866653

>>3866626

This is my first post in this thread.

It's amazing how vicious some people can be about trivial shit.

>> No.3866662

Yeah, my mom is a professor and she once invited one of her former co-workers, a history professor, over for dinner. He spent about three hours talking. I no longer felt like a genius after that night. It did do me some good, though. I began reading much more from then on.

>> No.3866674

>>3866648
No, it's others' or others's. "Other's" implies there is one other, and you clearly need a plural possessive there. It has nothing to do with British or American English. Learn basic grammar.

>I like how you add the accent to forte
French is my first language and it's a French word

>with the knowledge you aren't.
I hope you're ESL because knowledge isn't something one is, it's possessed.

>suggests to me you will never pay off the debt you are amassing with the knowledge you aren't.
I don't have a dime of debt but thank you

>I'll let you off this if you can tell me whose slave I'm quoting in the first clause it's the bit before the first comma
I don't bargain with idiots, learn English or leave /lit/ please

>> No.3866681

Pretty much all of the men on my mother's side of the family are like that.
You've definitely heard of at least one of them.

>> No.3866684

>>3866662
>He spent about three hours talking
Academics are terrible for that. I think they'd start to deflate if they didn't take the occasional break to knock back the sauvignon.

>> No.3866692

>>3866674
s' is used to imply plural possession in British English. I was using a singular because I was referring to myself and the last time I checked I was a singular entity. Perhaps you'd like to argue my plurality however.

>French is my first language and it's a French word
this would be doubtful.

> hope you're ESL because knowledge isn't something one is, it's possessed.

You're certainly not ESL if you can't tell how an auxiliary verb negation works. Good luck learning English if you are.

>I don't have a dime of debt but thank you
Ah, more Amerifag phrasing.

>I don't bargain with idiots, learn English or leave /lit/ please
It was an Aurelius reference. You should try reading some English and also some Western Canon before you try to get people off /lit/ on the basis of them knowing less than you about either.

>> No.3866703

>>3866684
It was funny. My mom got up and began cleaning the kitchen and doing dishes, only half-listening to him, though he didn't seem to notice. He just kept going on, talking to her, even though I was the only one sitting down listening intently to everything he was saying.

>> No.3866707

>>3866703
Dude, I think he wants to bang your mom

>> No.3866716

>>3866626
>>3866674
>or others's
I don't think you can do that brah. That only works if the noun is singular and ends in an s, like ass:
>The ass's milk
>The ass' milk
Both fine.

>> No.3866717

I've never met anyone in real life more intelligent than me. I've met some more knowledgeable in esoteric and specialized areas than me, but I've never met anyone with more all-round intelligence. But 1.) I'm still just a second year undergraduate 2.) at an American school. I don't doubt I'll meet some people soon who make me feel like a moron.

>> No.3866718

>>3866692
>s' is used to imply plural possession in British English. I was using a singular because I was referring to myself and the last time I checked I was a singular entity. Perhaps you'd like to argue my plurality however.
You're 100% wrong. You said "because of other's iimplication"
"Other's" suggests there is one other. Other remains singular with a possessive 's attached to it. No. You meant "others" (plural) with a possessive 's, which can be written either "others'" or "others's"

>this would be doubtful.
I speak Spanish, too. Not everyone is a pleb. But to be fair, my city is pretty much bilingual, same with my uni.

>You're certainly not ESL if you can't tell how an auxiliary verb negation works. Good luck learning English if you are.
tfw no grammatical flaw present. Let's see your French proficiency. Or proficiency in any other language. No doubt you're more than unilingual.

>Ah, more Amerifag phrasing.
Sad that you believe only Americans have dimes in their currency. What are you, 12?

>It was an Aurelius reference. You should try reading some English and also some Western Canon before you try to get people off /lit/ on the basis of them knowing less than you about either.
Being this much of a pathetic pedant shows what a failure at life you are.

>> No.3866720

the ones that do know are never politicians. smart mofuckers if you ask me

>> No.3866725

>>3866717
Oh, aside from my girlfriend, who's about as smart as me...we trade off a tiny bit in some areas of knowledge but generally she's the only human being I feel "myself" talking to.

captcha: ngereppl injustice

like nigger people injustice, haha

>> No.3866729

>>3866725
ehh people on lit going on about intelligence, agaaaain. no one cares man srs

>> No.3866728

>>3866716
You can. When a word finishes with an "s" it's more formal to attach the plural apostrophe at the end (e.g.: families') but you can also write apostrophe "s" as well. I prefer the first but the latter isn't necessarily wrong.

Still, buddy above is a fool if he thinks other's = others'

>> No.3866730

>>3866718
>No. You meant "others" (plural) with a possessive 's, which can be written either "others'" or "others's"
No m8. Plural possessive is just apostrophe after the s, not s apostrophe s. Only exception is for plurals not ending in s, like children, people or audience. Only time you'd be able to have s apostrophe s is with singular nouns ending in s, as said here >>3866716

You can just google this, you'll see you're wrong.

>> No.3866733

>>3866728
>but you can also write apostrophe "s" as well.
No you can't, again google it.

>> No.3866735

>>3866707
At his age, I doubt he was capable of getting an erection.

>> No.3866737

>>3866735
Viagra is a wonder drug.

>> No.3866743

>>3866718
>You're 100% wrong. You said "because of other's iimplication"
"Other's" suggests there is one other. Other remains singular with a possessive 's attached to it. No. You meant "others" (plural) with a possessive 's, which can be written either "others'" or "others's"


Er, it was my implication you were claiming you know better than I do. So, no.

>I speak Spanish, too. Not everyone is a pleb.
>tfw no grammatical flaw present. Let's see your French proficiency. Or proficiency in any other language. No doubt you're more than unilingual.

Top marks in le bac for French. Speak Catalan since 3. Top marks in English in an English language equivalent of le bac. German; some conversational Italian, Portugese, Dutch; a few dead languages including the one Aurelius meditated in. Which is why your criticisms don't really take since all the other external markers say I'm shit hot.

>Being this much of a pathetic pedant shows what a failure at life you are.
....didn't you just get into this thread because you thought implication and inference were not discrete?

>> No.3866746

>>3866743
>Top marks in English in an English language equivalent of le bac.
What a crappy test then.

>> No.3866747

I'm gunna be as smart as Habermas someday.

>> No.3866754

>>3866746
because the standard of testing english as used on 4chan and judged by a french guy is better

>> No.3866763

>>3866754
Because you clearly don't know how to use the possessive apostrophe correctly in every instance. What you're describing above with "others's" is like saying you can always write du for possessive in French.

I.e. poor testing if that doozy is getting past.

>> No.3866765

There was an old teacher at an academy I went to, who had been a teacher of the History of Philosophy, Ibsen's contemporary plays, and the History of Literature and Ideas for well over thirty years.

At the end of the year there was a party for the entire school, and the teachers were also invited (and everybody were a bit drunk), so I got a chance to ask him about something I found odd in The Pillars of Society (namely, why Aune the ship-builder suddenly agrees to use machines in the last act, even though he's practically portrayed as a Luddite in the first two acts), while he sat in a couch drinking. He then proceeded to talk about the issue for over an hour, slowly attracting more people who found the subject interesting, until we were six people crouching in a semi-circle around him, listening to his tangents about the feudal society, Michelangelo, and the industrial revolution. In retrospect a very odd scene, of course, but, man, the guy can think.

>> No.3866769

>>3866763
Ha. I'm the other. Which is singular. Still.

Further, s' for plural is the preferred British English, and s's is preferred in American English. You insisting it's not on the internet will change reality only one iota of rage, and not one bit of grammar.

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>>3866769
>Further, s' for plural is the preferred British English, and s's is preferred in American English.
Give a citation then.
Protip: you can't

>> No.3866780

>>3866774
Even the Chicago modern style manual recommends s's with the allowance that s' is still completely correct. Fowler's is the only one I can think of which recommends solely s's.
You'd have to be speaking RP British English to favour s's, which is not the preferred mode of British English.

>> No.3866787

>>3866780
That's singular possessive, not plural. But if you so desperately want to be a dumbass, go ahead.

>You'd have to be speaking RP British English to favour s's
RP is an accent, not a dialect. The clue is in the name.

>> No.3866796

>>3866787
Are you trying to argue I'm plural again?

RP is colloquially taken to mean BBC English. Since it's an OUP/BBC standard which isn't followed in writing or pronunciation, I assumed my implication might be inferred. Oh well.

I was right about you being really invested in being right about something anything at all. I hope you're getting paid as well as I am while you try

>> No.3866815

>>3866796
>Are you trying to argue I'm plural again?
Are you now trying to claim "others" isn't plural? SInce you've confused yourself: "others's" is not ever acceptable
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22others%27s%22&l=1

>RP is colloquially taken to mean BBC English.
No it isn't. SE is the dialect, and the BBC will have its own in-house styleguides for consistency, just like any other company/publication. RP is what they teach you at RADA (or used to).

>Since it's an OUP/BBC standard which isn't followed in writing or pronunciation
If you're pronouncing the apostrophe somehow, you've really been fucked over with English teaching.

>I hope you're getting paid as well as I am while you try
I feel sorry for whoever's paying you.

>> No.3866828

>>3866765
I love people like that who can link seemingly unconnected things and events in a compelling way, it makes for fascinating reading.

>> No.3866837

>>3866815
>Are you now trying to claim "others" isn't plural? SInce you've confused yourself: "others's" is not ever acceptable

Since you've confused yourself, I said other's. Singular possessive. You quoted me several times until it became patently clear you'd have to make shit up to justify the grammar Nazi. Scrolling up will be dangerous to your reality.

>No it isn't. SE is the dialect, and the BBC will have its own in-house styleguides for consistency, just like any other company/publication. RP is what they teach you at RADA (or used to).

Bless your cotton socks for thinking you can bluff your way through. RP used, though no longer, be a prerequisite printed in all advertisements for broadcast for the BBC. It's was tied to Oxford and public school standards much more than RADA. The BBC and OUP have more influence in English language standards than you seem to be giving them (even if it is waning and not broadly practised).

>If you're pronouncing the apostrophe somehow, you've really been fucked over with English teaching.

If you're not pronouncing the second s in s's or when used with a fricative then I don't know why you're arguing for its consistent presence.

Since you've more investment in being right or just issuing the last word, give the next one socks. I'm off for coffee, you can tell yourself you won.

>> No.3866852

>>3866837
>RP used, though no longer, be a prerequisite printed in all advertisements for broadcast for the BBC.
Because it's an accent. You can hear broadcast, but you cannot hear punctuation, unless you still issue telegrams stop the two have little to nothing to do with one another stop

>If you're not pronouncing the second s in s's
Whether you write boss' or boss's they're pronounced the same. Again, whoever taught you English has fucked you over.

>You quoted me several times until it became patently clear you'd have to make shit up to justify the grammar Nazi. Scrolling up will be dangerous to your reality.
Do it yourself. I've been specifying we're talking about plural possession p much every time. Now for some reason you're embarrassed about being wrong on an anonymous site. Get/it.

>> No.3867138

>>3866482
I always check if they are total sceptics, if not I dismiss them as intellectually immature. Feels good man.

>> No.3867278

No. Only people who've become arrogant with age.
However, I did meet an extremely intelligent young man who gave a lecture on Lacan. I felt completely inadequate around him and bordered on /r9k/ing a couple of times, but he was nice about it. I think he was just happy to teach and happy that we were interested.
He went to France on a scholarship after completing his two simultaneous masters, in history and French.
Please stop arguing about grammar ;_;

>> No.3867406

When one has had the dubious fortune of having interacted closely, at different levels, with Cavell, McDowell, Brandom, Habermas, TJ Clark, Buchloh, and Bois, one is made to realise how truly small one is.

Be careful what you wish for.

>> No.3867452

My uncle. Some kind of science PhD from Oxford, some kind of researching job, successful painter and classical pianist, programmer, and the best read man I know. He's pretty cool about it though. Doesn't rub it in your face or anything.

>> No.3867454

Where do i meet these smart people lit? ):

>> No.3867470

>>3867406
>Cavell, McDowell, Brandom, Habermas, TJ Clark, Buchloh, and Bois
You've talked to all those people? Don't bullshit us

>> No.3867475

>>3866518
dude your uncle sounds cool

>> No.3867487

>>3866662
>I no longer felt like a genius
What, you felt like a genius before that? You must suck to be around.

>> No.3867498

>>3867470
Nope. Undergrad at Pitt (Philosophy). Met Clark several times at a seminar here at Harvard. Same place for Cavell, Buchloh, and Bois. Met Habermas at the EGS where I did my MA.

>> No.3867508

>>3867498
By the way, I realise this is 4chan and everyone can BS. Doesn't mean we're all BS'ing all the time. So-called "smart" people like to chill out, too. :)

>> No.3867537

>>3867508
What are your interests in Philosophy? Thinking of going to grad school too?

>> No.3867543

My father is good friends with Nigel Farage, and sometimes I go to meals with them both at the village pub.

He's intelligent as hell but in a really comical way as if he doesn't treat it as a peculair thing about himself.

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>>3867508
>So-called "smart" people like to chill out, too :)
>:)

ur a cheeky 1 m8 but ive got me eye on u ats fer sure

>> No.3867552

Yes, they're called university dons.

>> No.3867556

>>3866498
They are in that league because they have augmented themselves with good education.

Pleb

>> No.3867569

>>3866498
>PhD in philosophy before getting his JD

Hey. Not everyone is in law degrees and know that JD is an abbrev. for Doctorate of Jurisprudence. Think about your audience, please.

>> No.3867572

>>3867556
>good education.
No, they have merely read more books

>> No.3867581

>>3867537
The names I mentioned might give some clues! I started out with interests in the philosophy of mind and of language (McDowell, Brandom, and now, Cavell). I became very interested in questions of art and the public sphere, especially how art (primarily film and visual art) "negotiate" with a largely untrained (non-specialist) public (hence, Habermas and Miriam Hansen who is now sadly gone).

I'm presently in the early stages of my PhD.

>> No.3867622

>>3867581
>I became very interested in questions of art and the public sphere

Have you read Jim McGuigan's "Culture and the Public Sphere?" He's not like an academic celebrity or anything, but that's one of the better academic books I've read.

>> No.3867657

>>3867622
I read the original article, but not the book. It's a bit too broad-reaching, but was an interesting read. To be honest, my interests are very..."theoretical" (it's a good thing I can offer a 'pedigree' in terms of where I've studied...no way could I ever land a generalist faculty position). Right now I'm looking at film and video art in museal and public spaces and how those spaces are enunciated or negotiated in an unfriendly (aka commodified/late-capitalist) society.

>> No.3867664

>>3867657

Good luck with your studies! No sarcasm intended.

>> No.3867676

>>3867664
Thank you. 4chan is an unlikely destination, I suppose, but I can say that many of the current generation of graduate students and early-career faculty are surprisingly savvy with Net culture. Also, we're totally down-to-earth! Pretty sure a few of you will find yourself pursuing graduate work at some point. Just be aware it's a brutal market so do not settle for anything less than top-3 or top-5 programs in your field.

>> No.3867677

>>3867657
Keep talking...

>> No.3867683

>>3867406
what was Cavell like? I love his work.

>> No.3867704

>>3867683
Have you read "Excerpts from Memories"? He's very much the warm, gentle, yet incisive mind he comes across there. However he doesn't have a lot of patience for trivial questions.

>>3867677
?

>> No.3867710

>>3867704
About your research. It sounds really interesting.

>> No.3867714

>>3867704
Heh, that's about what I had imagined. I've not yet read Excerpts but I love the calm, attentive critical spirit that pervades his work.

>> No.3867731

>>3866482
My father graduated 3rd in his Med School class in 1953 - of course, that's because he was getting his PhD in Mathematics at the same time.
He reads/writes/speaks Latin, Greek, German, French, and Spanish.
He used to take me on long drives to drill me on logic and rhetoric.
My 12th birthday present was a collection of Machiavelli.
I love guys like that - its like visiting home.

>> No.3867735

>>3867714
Yes, he is a very remarkable person. From a different era, though, and I don't mean that in a negative way.

>>3867710
Not much to say. First few years are spent establishing groundwork and working up the prospectus, really, so I'm still in that stage. Some of the people here are awesome in how focused and innovative their work is.

It's really too bad most of the "outside world" never gets to peek inside. I think a lot of the flak "academia" gets in vernacular culture is due to big misunderstandings. Or maybe I'm just so far skewed in my perceptions that I completely fail to grasp how anyone might *not* find the kind of work that goes in here and in comparable places extremely interesting, even if it isn't one's cup of tea.

>> No.3867767

>>3867735
it strikes as interesting you'd say that - I've always found that Wittgenstein's attitude in his writings was 'from a different era' as well. It's a shame Cavell doesn't teach anymore otherwise I'd kill to study with him. I have sort of a complex and problematic relationship with Wittgenstein and I don't think there could be anyone better to tool that out with.

In any case your work sounds interesting. Best of luck.

>> No.3869271

Habermas is the most intelligent man alive. Why people ever kissed the feet of riff-raff charlatans like Lacunt and Derpida I will never understand.

>> No.3869289

>>3866482
guys with a BA are more intelligent, creative, interesting and well-read.

ie Joyce, Pynchon, Shakespeare

>> No.3869533

>>3867487
No, not actually. You know how teens and young adults can be, though, thinking they know everything. The whole "ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge" thing. I was near the top of my class and was better read than most of my peers were at the time. I would have never said I was a genius, but I did think I was smart.

>> No.3869539

>>3867498
Do you like Pitt? I was thinking of transferring there for philosophy myself. Maybe we can be pals!

>> No.3869542

>>3866518

Is your uncle Judge Holden?

How many small children have been found dead around your town in the past ten years?

>> No.3869554

My grandfather.
Spoke 7 languages fluently, including all the Chinese dialects.
He was a surgeon, doctor, and all round medical specialist for many years.
He had the biggest heart, and was the most loving and benevolent man I ever met. In his later years, he was completely selfless, dedicating all of his life to taking care of his children and grandchildren (including myself). He passed yesterday afternoon.
RIP, grandpa.

>> No.3869560

>>3869554
He also tutored me maths throughout my entire schooling life, taught me to drive, and taught me to be compassionate for others. Dont know where I would be without him.

>> No.3869600

>>3869554
Sorry to hear that

>> No.3869601

>>3869554
LOL dinnt he even read Nietzsche everythin is just relative lol

>> No.3869607

I will be one of those old men one day. I'll probably start working towards it tomorrow if I don't get distracted by something interesting on the internet.

>> No.3869612

>>3869607
Old men, running the world...A new age!

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>>3866482

>be an undergrad philosophy student living in Frankfurt circa 1850
>one evening Schopenhauer overhears you prating about metaphysics at the local parlor and decides to interject
>mfw

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>be an undergrad philosophy student living in Frankfurt circa 1850
>one evening Schopenhauer overhears you prating about metaphysics at the local parlor and decides to interject

>> No.3869719
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Intelligence is many things. Simply put, it is the judicious application of knowledge.

This can be put in a number of categories. Such and logic and reasoning, or self-awareness.

But I believe the truest forms of intelligence can be gauged on only the most practical uses.

For example: someone who invents, or creates something never before seen. Or perfects an otherwise imperfect idea. Discovers something most people missed, or never knew existed.

Obvious examples would be an Edison, or an Oppenheimer. These men are true intellectuals.

And these people are few and far between.

So when you ask me if I've ever met someone that made me feel stupid, I would say no, and I wouldn't hesitate on my answer.

Not from a place of arrogance, but from the understanding that I've never met anyone that has done something of "exceptional intelligence".

And I know for certain I've never met anyone of "true intelligence" on 4chan. We're all a bunch of pseudo-intellectuals, pretending to be the smartest people on the planet.

>> No.3869727

>>3869719
You having the biggest pseudo-intellect of us all. Knowledge exists for itself, not for the sake of practical application. If knowledge does result in some sort of practical realization, then great, but it's far from a requirement.

>> No.3869748

>>3869727
You need better reading comprehension, my friend. I clearly stated you can have intelligence without practical application, but "true intelligence" (as I called it) is not just simple understanding.

Sorry if I tarnished your ego.

>> No.3869753

>>3869719
Obviously.
If anyone of us were smart we wouldn't be on 4chan.

>> No.3869758

>>3869753
Precisely.

>> No.3869769

>>3869748
hurr durr calling it "true intelligence" is basically saying that intelligence without practical application is "fake intelligence". Eat twenty dicks.

>> No.3869797

>>3869769
Then allow me to rephrase for the awfully dull.

The most intelligent people? Will that help you sleep better at night now?

I thought that putting "true intelligence" in quotations would be enough for most people to understand it's not an absolute definition of intelligence, but the greatest form of it.

I guess not enough for you!

>> No.3869865

>>3869719
>But I believe the truest forms of intelligence can be gauged on only the most practical uses.

>Obvious examples would be an Edison, or an Oppenheimer. These men are true intellectuals.
lmao
stopped reading

>> No.3869889

>>3869865
An inventor too stupid for you? You must be radical, dude!

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>tfw the kid with the acne, long hair and the beanie will be significantly more intelligent than you

Good thing he left the fedora at home or else I might have just sealed myself at home for the rest of the year

>> No.3869918

>>3869769
>hurr durr calling it "true intelligence" is basically saying that intelligence without practical application is "fake intelligence. Eat twenty dicks.

That's true though

>> No.3869921

>>3869889
i bet you're wearing multiple fedoras at this moment

>> No.3869926

>>3866498
>was one of the few people I've ever met able to make me feel stupid
Who the fuck thinks/talks this way about themselves? Kill yourself.

>> No.3869928

>>3869554
If he's so smart, why did he have children? Why did he let his children have children?
He wasn't smart enough to overcome his illogical desire for procreation, apparently.

>> No.3869932

>>3869921
I bet you're mom thinks you're jokes are funny.

>> No.3869942

>>3869894
That was me in high school. We former long-haired acne-ridden beanie-wearers aren't that smart.

But I am probably better looking than you now. Kappa

>> No.3870055

I remember the first person I saw like this was Christopher Hitchens followed by, I guess, Noam Chomsky. The level 1 answers, I guess.
I used to be mystified as a teen at how they could cite chapter and verse from diverse libraries of reading at the drop of a hat in a discussion or debate.

Hitchens could rattle off the timeline of a random presidential cabinet member's accomplishments and quote this obscure historian and that second-level philosopher whenever he needed, it seemed.

It pleases me a great deal to catch myself doing it as I age and accumulate experience and knowledge. Makes the feat seem achievable. If I can do some of it now I feel like I might be somewhere worthwhile by the time I'm their age. As a teen, knowing nothing, I couldn't imagine ever ending up remotely like them. Turns out I was just reading the wrong topics. I just had to find what I was most passionate about.

>> No.3870285

>>3869797
You can rephrase yourself as much as you want, it doesn't make it right.

>> No.3870324

>>3867731

your father sounds like an impenetrable douche

a real pre-modern day fedora donning reddit browsing type

>> No.3870342

>>3870055
Noam Chomsky is retarded though.

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>>3866482
>ITT

>> No.3870373

Even more impressive is when you run into an old farmer who has spent the last forty years plowing the earth, uneducated, rarely reading, and is still, somehow, a critical thinker, a good speaker, and all-around "abominably intelligent."

>> No.3870414

>>3870373
>a critical thinker
Is he critically thinking of the different ways a lawn could be mown?

>> No.3870692 [DELETED] 

>>3870414
>Is he critically thinking of the different ways a lawn could be mown?
Jesus Christ, farmers don't mow lawns. That's suburban dads and the help at the King's estate.