/lit/ - Literature

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Out of Africa, Isak Dinesen. Karen Blixen was fucking kickass. Also, Mary Wollstonecraft - jesus, Mary Wollstonecraft was awesome.

I'm sorry I don't have more recommendations and this is probably not going to be a great thread. Try reading some good female writers like Virginia Woolf, or Lydia Davis, or... god dammit, I feel like something is on the tip of my tongue.

>>3823815
lol The Joyluck Club? Wait, wait Little Women lol

The Wall by Marlen Haushofer and The Summer Book by Tove Jansson

>>3823815
The Yellow Wallpaper

>>3823831
The image of her sneaking along the walls still remains one of the most haunting scenes I can recount.

>>3823815
120 days of sodom.

Foxfire: Confessions of a Girl Gang

>>3823815
As You Like It by Shakesqueer.

The diary of Anais Nin (check out the Henry and June diary)

You'd probably like To the Lighthouse by V. Woolf.

I think that's all I got. Anais Nin is cool.

Mrs. Mike

Christa Wolf's books

>>3824310
> mrs mike

>>3823815
God damnit, you have a vagina. Outside that just be who you are. What's the fucking crisis?

Contact - Carl Sagan. Ellie Arroway is a damn fine inspiring woman (of science).

>>3824323
Probably realizing the inherently lesser talents and abilities of women compared to men in the areas she values.

>>3824323
Just yesterday we had a >200 post thread about "not understanding women" so it appears to be a problem for a lot of people.

Bleak House is nice, though more about a 'girl' protagonist than women.

>>3824327
Being an intelligent woman must be Hell. The full realization that no matter what you do, you'll always be trapped in a woman's body with a woman's brain.

>>3824328
>about "not understanding women" so it appears to be a problem for a lot of people.
yes, that's my point. it should be no problem at all. I've found as much variety in the women I meet as I've found in the men. Of course understanding women will be a problem if you have them in mind as an homogenous thing all the time instead of dealing with one as you would deal with a fellow man (that is, as a person)

>>3823815
>I'm having somewhat of a... female identity crisis.

Was it because of my post here?: >>3821906

The solution to your problem can't be found in the kind of books you are looking for, they are most likely found in Victorian literature written by heterosexual men.

Good luck and know your place!

In Heroines, Zambreno extends the polemic begun on her blog into a dazzling, original work of literary scholarship. Combing theories that have dictated what literature should be and who is allowed to write it–from T. S. Eliot’s New Criticism to the writings of such mid-century intellectuals as Elizabeth Hardwick and Mary McCarthy to the occasional “girl-on-girl crime” of the Second Wave of feminism–she traces the genesis of a cultural template that consistently exiles female experience to the realm of the “minor” and diagnoses women for transgressing social bounds. “ANXIETY: When she experiences it, it’s pathological,” writes Zambreno. “When he does, it’s existential.” By advancing the Girl-As-Philosopher, Zambreno reinvents feminism for her generation while providing a model for a newly subjectivized criticism.

The Magic Toyshop by Angela Carter.

>>3824360
Angela Carter is a dumb bitch and you're also dumb.

>>3824351
hilarious and so zany

>>3824299
>As You Like It by Shakesqueer.
Twelfth Night's better
(they both have great female leads though)

When was the last time you heard a man talk about having a "male identity crisis"?

>>3824458
when was the last time a man struggled to find a book with a strong male character in it?
check yer privilege, m8

pride and prejudice
elizabeth's cool
(it's also real fun)

>>3824458
r u 4 real

>>3824456
I prefer As You Like It, but Twelfth Night is good. I just feel like OP could relate more to Rosalind. I guess there's a female identity crisis in Twelfth Night too.

Desdemona's servant lady in Othello.

Hey OP, some specifics would be neat, but on just being a woman I've heard Catlin Moran's How to be Woman is a pretty fun read. Everyone who's read it has told me it's hillarious. If you want something more fictional, then go for The Bloody Chamber by Angela Carter. Her prose is a little pretentious perhaps, but the stories are short enough for it not to be an annoyance.

>>3824458
Yo, kids with no male role models in their lives and end up joining gangs and acting extremely aggressively could perhaps be said to be having a male identity crises every day of their life, homeboy. In a time with more kids being raised by single mothers and less male teachers in schools than ever before, it happens all the time.

>>3823815
The Ego and Its Own. Gender is a spook.

Pretty much anything by Alice Munro.

Woolf is obvious. My vote is for Mrs. Dalloway.

If you want female "sources of inspiration," Middlemarch might be the ticket. Dorothea, the main character, is a thoughtful, sensitive, but naive young woman who wants to make the world a better place. She goes about it in the most ass-backwards way possible, learns some difficult lessons, and finally moves from idealism to pragmatism without abandoning her goal of doing good, thus actually achieving some actual good.

George Eliot and Middlemarch are one of many pieces of evidence that ladybrains need not be inferior to manbrains. It only makes sense that Eliot was an early champion of Wollstonecraft.

>>3824458

I don't know, but Laurie Pennie certainly has a few things to say: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/16/masculinity-crisis-men?INTCMP=SRCH

>btw I'm a grill. don't hit on me u silleh bois xP
If a guy had your experience, he would just call it an identity crisis, you fucking attention whore

>>3824571
twat

>>3824573
Fuck you, bitch.

So you're having a period? Kill yourself

>>3824571
>implying one's gender isn't part of one's identity
>implying males don't assume the male part is a given because of prevalence here

Stay mad about nothing.

Delta of Venus - Anais Lin

>>3824327
>>3824334
lol

>>3824462
>check yer privilege
0/10

Midsummer Night´s Dream, with emphasis on Helena. Bear in mind that Helena is supposed to be prettier than Hermia and track her interactions to other characters on this basis.

I also loved Dalila in Samson Agonistes.

>>3824334
Great women do tend to be a tad misogynistic. Great men usually go for full out misanthropy.

>>3824652
>Great women
lol
Name 5

>>3824667
>tfw everything great in western civilization has been done by white men
>tfw nobody can prove me wrong
>tfw the butthurt this causes

>>3824667
I meant people I know personally, which all have the tendency to feel a certain contempt for the frivolity of most of their fellow women. I don't mean great in the ceasar jesus of hitlerian gandhism type of way, but just intelligent and pleasant company women with a sharp with and decent sophistry.

Why does /pol/ have to keep coming here? What do you guys gain? The joke is on you- you're wasting your life for "lols" that only you find funny.

>>3824681
wtf are you talking about?
>/pol/
Then why are you describing /b/?

>>3824675
I'm not sure I get this. You feel butthurt because nobody can prove you wrong? Maybe your standards of proof are too strict. What would you consider a valid proof? Remember though that your statement is meaningless if you can't state conditions under which it would be renderd false.

>>3824667

Literary greats: Jane Austen, George Eliot, Virginia Woolf, Gertrude Stein, Iris Murdoch.

>>3824686
Queen Elizabeth, bellend.

>>3824675
Karin Boye

>>3824681
why does everyone on this fucking board scream /pol/ /pol/ /pol/ as soon as someone has a different opinion to them

it's the only board I've ever seen to do this

>>3824760
Asspain and anal devestation mostly. /lit/ will tell you how smart they are, but when you express an opinion that differs from theirs they'll shout you down with POL POL POL POL

>>3824735
>Boye is perhaps most famous for her poems
lol no

>>3824760

It is not about "different opinions", is about cleaning a forum theoretically intended for thinking people from scum who do not think, i.e. mulleted biggots with an inferiority complex who fit very well in stormfront but here are just unintelligent trolls.

>>3824694
>You feel butthurt because nobody can prove you wrong?
no

>>3824769
so they're unintelligent "mulleted" bigots with inferiority complexes because you don't agree with them?

I don't even go to /pol/ but damn

>>3824769
>, i.e. mulleted biggots
stopped right there, from someone so high-minded and free thinking you are sure quick to dismiss others and call names. You are no different then pol trolls

>>3824769

so you mean 99% of /lit/

i like this board, but the people who generally post here have a very high opinion of themselves (that's not very deserved if their posts are any indication).

>>3824769
>people who think differently then me are mulleted biggots
lol, truely you are a progressive and free thinking person

>>3824779

Who cares? At least I don't have a mullet. Do you?

Calling names is a privilege that only few of those have. Your jealousy is not my problem.

>>3824778

You are not intentionally an imbecile, are you? If a person hates Jews and blacks, listens to Rush Limbaugh, loves muh guns, and lives in a trailer park where he porks his sister... there is a term for that.

Don't play fool. You're a grown up. Act like it.

>>3824795
1/10 apply yourself

>>3824795
>>3824798
>Called out on his ignorance and prejudice
>Resorts to: U JELLY, GROW UP
top lel

>>3824800

Forgot to mention: rating is yet another privilege your type lacks.

>>3824802

Confirmed.

Thanks for proving my point.

/thread

>>3824798
>If a person hates Jews and blacks
are they supposed to like them? Where in the law does it say you're supposed to like people?

>listens to Rush Limbaugh
baseless ad hominem.

>loves muh guns
you mean the fucking constitution of their country?

>and lives in a trailer park where he porks his sister
baseless ad hominem.

I'm going to stop replying to trolls now.

>>3824803
>implying im from pol
>implying im not a native lit
lol

>>3824806
....What the hell is this post saying?

>>3824806
>Hating on people from rural areas
Check your urban privilege. Not everyone has the opportunity to live in a city and receive a good education. It shows your lack of empathy and prejudice when you call names

>>3824814

/pol/ scumbag confirmed.

When do you Cletuses will stop trolling our forum? Your kind is cancerous and a caricature.

cement garden by Ian Mcewan

>>3824828
I say again I am not from /pol/.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

>>3824828
>Cletuses
Not that guy, but you should read this post.
>>3824824

>>3824828
Leftists in their true colors ladies and gentlemen. Prejudiced, and ignorant.

>>3824768
Kallocain imho.. But she is mostly famous in Sweden for her poems...

madame bovary

>>3824760
The A BLOO BLOO BLOO /pol/ stuff is due to the fact that your average /lit/ leftist tends to be intolerant of anyone who isn't prone to self-righteous moralizing and affectations of "tolerance."

It's pretty ironic that they call other people bigots when they're practically foaming at the mouth at other peoples' opinions..

>>3824681
How is the joke on them if they're laughing and you're upset?

As You Like It

Orlando by VW

OP, go ask reddit's feminism board or something. You're clearly not made out for 4chan.

>>3824912
Yes, we're liberal, open minded progressives. Wait, you have a different opinion? You ignorant fucking Philistine. What's wrong with you?

No one is upset by you.

>>3824912
We have no problems with opinions so long as you can justify them. Whenever /pol/ are called out they either go "muh jewish conspiracy" or "lel stupid liberals/feminists"

>>3824912
Actually, it's because in recent months there has been a dramatic increase in those kind of opinions here. Not the old ironic "LOL NIGGERS" 4chan kind of humour, but genuine right-wing nonsense about "racism is just science" and "Hitler's only mistake was losing" and so on and so forth. And you know, that kind of opinion is fine if you want to play with it in the bath and be a special snowflake, but waving it around in public is just embarrassing and often leads to derails of otherwise potentially interesting threads.

But I have no doubt that your reply will be another caricature of anyone who's repelled by your backwards and deliberately contrary beliefs along the lines of portraying us all as a mass mob of hysterically weeping commie feminist Jews, to feed your obvious need for attention and to keep alive the delusion that you're somehow interesting enough to offend people.

See, I can do it too.

>>3824917
No one is upset by you.

>>3824977
They'll accuse you of being a newfag from tumblr and that they are the genuine oldfags. They're genuinely surprised that all of 4chan, wasn't /b/ or /new/, or just /stormfront/.

>>3824546
he asked when have you heard a male word the issue a "male identity crisis" though. nice job twisting words

>>3824458

hemingway

>>3823815
there you go

>>3824977

>the only winning move is to not play

a fitting admonition, the only real defense for delusions of universal interchangeability of humans is denial and ignorance.

OP here. I feel asleep so I'm sorry to say I wasn't here earlier to say thank you to you all, but really - thank you!
Tons of suggestions to check out, I'm sure some will be diamonds.

Thank you!

>>3824970
>opinions so long as you can justify them
>justify
>opinions
Opinions are just that, opinions. They need no justification.

What's it like being a intolerant bigot?

>>3824977
>Expressing an opinion I disagree with leads to thread derailment
lol

>>3825328
N-nice joke.

>>3825344
I'm afraid I am not jesting

>>3825351
You poor man.

>>3825357
The truth bother you?

>>3825147
this, I recommend "the short happy life of Francis Macomber"

>>3824851
that's not an authentic leftist, you moron. that's a blatantly obvious troll. god damn it, they should implement IDs in this autism-flooded board

>>3825385
>mad leftist detected
keep name callin bro

>>3825421
>leftist
not even once

>mad
try sleepless and cranky. but seriously. if we had IDs like in /b/ this would be much easier. there all I need to know is link to two posts made by the same person that don't coincide and explain that. after pointing out said obvious troll many people (never all) end up dismissing him. I can't do that here and that does make me cranky

>>3824327
nailed it.

no OP

>>3824327
tell me what's your field of work, I'm sure I can show you a more talented women

so?

>>3824814
/pol/ confirm

if you want i can pretend to be a leftist

>>3824760
haha yea bro good thing SRS doesn't exist and /pol/ doesn't consider it part of an international conspiracy to take over the worst part of the internet to brainwash the most useless and unlikable people in existence

go waste your life somewhere else, or better yet end it

>>3824713
>Jane Austen
>George Eliot
lol I said name five "greats". Not tedious, uninteresting authors. I'd go back in time and pimp smack George Eliot for Middlemarch.

so

virginia woolf
mary shelley

t0p l0l

gonna go read some shakespeare now, stay inferior :^)

>>3825711

Jane Austen I understand but how can you hate George Eliot?

Americans really can't read anything that's not full of sex, cursing, and violence I guess.

"Describe us as a sex," was her challenge.
"Sphinxes without secrets".

>>3824299

Backing up Anais Nin. Just finished "A Spy in the House of Love"; even though it read like an extended case study for a student of psychoanalysis, it would definitely be worth the time for anyone interested in the female psyche, or whatever.

>>3823815
Cathy in East of Eden is quite a role model.

>>3825751
"Silly Novels by Lady Novelists" should be required reading on /lit/

>>3825751
>Americans really can't read anything
ftfy

>>3825783
Huh. I felt the same way when I read it, though she's obviously a terrible person. You can't ignore that she knows what she wants, and takes it.

>>3825786
the amount of butthurt would cause the idiot undergrads who browse this site to explode

>>3825751
>victorian novels
>good

>>3825790
Yes... I was being a little facetious with that suggestion, but when you look at it like this, you're totally correct. There's just the matter of separating the wicked from the desired character, which is pretty clear, I think.

If you're having an actual (especially female) identity crisis: Girl, Interrupted.

Mathilda- Roald Dahl

>>3825789
Quiet down, you European savage.