/lit/ - Literature

>>3795660
This is the equivalent of telling me santa wont come if I'm naughty.

>>3795663
well, you better not be, then

I wonder what happens to non-believers that died between Pope's pronouncement and Vaticans change of mind. Any well-read theologians here to help me out?

>>3795660
>Francis: God-tier hermeneutics and spiritual honesty
>the Vatican: Shit-tier hermeneutics spiritual honesty

This is a vast improvement from Darth Popius

>>3795663

>>3795677
wow

>>3795674
No man has any power over how God acts. The pronouncements of the Pope are to educate and direct the Catholic faithful on orthodoxy and orthopraxy.

>>3795663
The fact that you even responded betrays emotional investment; snark won't waste you from the fires of Hell and it isn't saving you from living a worthless and unfulfilled life right now.

>>3795677
>neanderthol
>>3795680
Don't worry, there's a 9.5/10 chance it's fake.

>>3795681
Popes word is the word of God. Just FYI.

>>3795688
Nah

>>3795688
You really can't believe this, can you? I mean, the only reason the Catholic church came about was because the Pope got butthurt and wanted to be the only patriarch.

>>3795677
A dumbo role-playing an intellectual on the Internet. So what? Religiontards do the same.

>>3795694
>>3795693
Pope says his word is the word of God. I believe him because his word is the word of God and God is always right.

>>3795684
>My sides!

>>3795695
This. Militant atheists are just as bad as the fundies they rip on.

>>3795698
There are so many thing wrong with this statement that I'm sure you're being facetious, but I'm sure some people really believe this and it's quite sad. It's 2013, we know a lot more about the world than we did 2000 years ago. We shouldn't need religion as a god damned crutch anymore.

>>3795675
Maybe because your sum knowledge of both is that one looks "scary." Francis is "nice" but I don't think there's really anything there. At least Benedict was an intellectual, this guy is sort of a goof, I think.

>>3795698
Nah

>>3795684
>snark won't waste you from the fires of Hell and it isn't saving you from living a worthless and unfulfilled life right now.
Unlike us, Christians. Amirite, brother?

>>3795705
shit actually Benedict is bad as fuck
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/05/pope-francis-tells-pope-benedict-to-stop-rolling-his-eyes-in-meetings.html

>The trouble started when the former Pope showed up at a meeting Francis scheduled to discuss plans for his Christmas mass, a meeting that “Benedict wasn’t even invited to,” a Vatican source said.

>“It was awkward,” the source said. “Francis started talking about making an appeal to the world’s poor, and then Benedict started sighing in this really loud and obnoxious way.”

>>3795705
>Maybe because your sum knowledge of both is that one looks "scary."

>>3795713
So Francis is an idealist and old Benny knows he can't do shit, huh? That's kind of funny. I can't wait for Francis to become just as jaded.

isn't Ireland mostly Catholic?

>>3795713
Lol, what a douche-cunt

>>3795713

The Borowitz Report is satire.

>>3795702
>We shouldn't need religion as a god damned crutch anymore.

Religion isn't a crutch, it's one of the most important aspects of civilization.
Religion isn't "based on ignorance" or "ignorance of the natural world" either.

maybe i can get a gf in hell

see you all there

>>3795702
>we know a lot more about the world than we did 2000 years ago.

not really

>>3795726
Nah

>>3795732
Nah

>>3795727
>not specifically committing sins juts to nail a hot demon chick

Fact: It takes much more intellectual strength to believe in God than to disbelieve.

>>3795726
>Religion isn't a crutch, it's one of the most important aspects of civilization.
As a crutch.

>Religion isn't "based on ignorance" or "ignorance of the natural world" either.
For the most part, it is. And when it isn't, it's wilful ignorance because one wants to believe. Religions are things created out of ignorance and to create comfort in light of mortality. It's pretty obvious for any outside observer that it's all nonsense.

>>3795732
secularism is a modern fad, religion is eternal

>>3795726
Man created gods in order to understand the phenomena around him. Are you really going to deny this? Religion was man's way of dealing with the unknown, because the unknown is fucking scary, dude.

>>3795737

Seeing as faith is one of the most intellectually dishonest things there is, I must contend that you are mistaken.

God created the universe. From whence did god come from?
The universe always existed in some form? How?

The only, and I mean the ONLY, intellectually honest position here is to admit that you are human and that you simply do not know. You can have a Kierkegaardian leap TO faith if you will, but you are sorely mistaken in thinking that that deserves respect.

>>3795738
OH, right, it's Memorial Day. No school today.

>>3795737
>intellectual strength

>>3795738
>As a crutch.

No, it liberates and empowers.

>Religions are things created out of ignorance

No, they are created out of a sense of awe and a desire to worship which is inherent to human nature.

> and to create comfort in light of mortality.

No, religion means taking a decisive stance on reality.
"Religion is to create comfort" conflicts with the fact that many people would go to war and suffer for their religion / for their beliefs.

>>3795751
>"Religion is to create comfort" conflicts with the fact that many people would go to war and suffer for their religion / for their beliefs.


Have you ever thought they go to war and suffer for their beliefs because they believe that even if they die in doing so, it guarantees a ticket to heaven, and thus immortality?

>>3795746
>Seeing as faith is one of the most intellectually dishonest things there is, I must contend that you are mistaken.

Everything you do and believe is an act of faith.

>>3795746
>You can have a Kierkegaardian leap TO faith if you will, but you are sorely mistaken in thinking that that deserves respect.
Why doesn't Kierkegaard deserve respect?

>>3795746
>From whence did god come from?

Shit man what are you doing with that sentence it's time to stop trying so hard

>>3795744
>Man created gods in order to understand the phenomena around him.

When a grieving person leaves flowers on a loved one's grave do they do it because they think the dead person will be able to smell and enjoy the flowers? No, they do it because it feels respectful and dignified, and because it is a nice ritual. That's where religion comes from/.

>>3795739
>dinosaurs were christards

>>3795751
>No, it liberates and empowers.
Hardly.

>No, they are created out of a sense of awe and a desire to worship which is inherent to human nature.
Hahah, no. It was created to 1) control people and sheeple and 2) to explain that which was not known at the time. Great succes at 1) and great failure at 2).

>No, religion means taking a decisive stance on reality. "Religion is to create comfort" conflicts with the fact that many people would go to war and suffer for their religion / for their beliefs.
No. Read The Denial Of Death.

>>3795757

Because he believed in God and only immoral idiots do that

>>3795764
And the rituals came from seeking understanding of the world around him.

>>3795760
r/atheism pls go. You are not helping.

>>3795760

>sheeple

>>3795757

Because I think anyone who is even slightly intellectually honest will admit that one simply cannot know the answers to these questions. To contend that YOU know the secret to the universe - you and relatively very few other human beings - is an absurd act of arrogance and intellectual dishonesty which hardly deserves respect, no matter how much philosophical mumbo-jumbo you spew out to defend your inherently dishonest position.

>>3795756
babby hasn't heard about independently verifiable reality

>>3795746
I think what he was saying was that it takes more intellectual strength to live constantly directing your attention towards God than it does to not have to be aware of Him.

>>3795765
Am I being trolled?

>>3795767

>And the rituals came from seeking understanding of the world around him.

Rituals are almost always the product of understanding, not the means to it.

>>3795677
Hahahahahaha

>>3795770

>you're a bad person and dishonest no matter what you say because I say so

>>3795746
>the ONLY, intellectually honest position here is to admit that you are human and that you simply do not know
How could one who believes God created the universe ever claim to know how the universe was created? Why would you ever claim to know the machinations of God? What arrogance do you live with in your secular life that you would assume such a thing of believers?

>>3795773

Yeah

>>3795771

Why don't you tell me about it

Using a linguistic system that always already deconstructs itself

>>3795755
>Have you ever thought they go to war and suffer for their beliefs because they believe that even if they die in doing so, it guarantees a ticket to heaven, and thus immortality?

There's a lot of anxiety that precedes to attaining that level of faith.
And I don't think they just do it because it sounds like a "good bargain" either. I honestly believe that the Christian martyrs died because they loved Christ and loved their neighbour and not because they wanted to sneakily cheat God into giving them a nice reward.

>>3795776

I didn't call you a bad person.

By claiming to know the answer to that question, you are being dishonest. You don't.

>>3795759
>atheists have the brain capacity of dinosaurs
are you mad that religion emerges at the same time conscious thought does? Are you mad that deep faith is more human than your silly numbers games?

>>3795786

>You're not a bad person you're just dishonest and a bad person and also stupid and probably ugly

>>3795702

>says militant atheists are bad
>we shouldn't need religion "as a crutch" anymore!

This motherfucker right here.

>>3795783
Can you explain what you are asking me about? Your question deconstructed itself mid-sente

>>3795785
Well there's that shit too, but I think the whole immortality and seven virgin whores is what guaranteed it. Not to mention their priests or whoever screaming at them about how it was the Right Thing To Do.

>>3795777

That wasn't a question at religious folk. My point was that both scientists and religious people, as far as we can tell, cannot explain what came before the universe. Creating a god to explain how the universe came into being only creates an infinite regress. In this matter, the only honest thing to do is to admit that you simply do not know.

>>3795787
>religion emerges at the same time conscious thought does
earth isn't 4000 years old, madson
read up on humans

>>3795789

Right, okay. I can see that whatever I say I'm going to get dumb responses like this and other shit like "lel get back to r//atheism" or whatever.

>>3795798
I'm pretty sure only the idiot Christians take everything in the Bible as fact. You can still have faith in God without being a moron who believes everything written in a book by ignorant shepherds.

>>3795800

>I am superior to most people and nothing you say will deter me from believing in that fact

>>3795770
>Thinking is dishonest

Would provide something from Kierkegaard that presents him as this arrogant, intellectually dishonest man that acts like one he and a few others have the answer to the questions?

>>3795792
Muslims are doing these things mostly because they have a deep hatred for the secular world.
You have little understanding of human nature if you think a man will willingly give up his life unless he has a very strong motivator, and such a motivator usually has to be either deep hate or deep love. "Seven virgins" is not an indulgence that almost any person would give up their lives for.

>go to /lit/
>supposed to be an intelligent place
>see all these religious people

What the fuck. Is /lit/ like the haven of religious people on 4chan?

>>3795803

Now that's what I get.

You people can't discuss, can you? Some atheists bring up points and all you do is post people wearing fedoras or misrepresent what is written by greentexting.

>>3795808
>Religious people can't be intelligent
Back to r/atheism you go.

>>3795802
how is this relevant, that moron still doesn't realize anatomically modern humans weren't first animals to be concious

homeschooling damages your brain, he is a prime example

>>3795792
>>>/b/

>>3795798
I'm saying religious thought coincides with human thought. What do you think cave paintings are for? Why do you think people ritually sought the darkest chthonic space they could to create them? Why does art have an ostensibly religious function since its apparent inception? "Good without spirit" atheism is a rejection of the conditions of humanity themselves, though so is modern living so it's a bit of a wash.

>>3795803
Thank you for reminding me that Christians are awful people by and large

>>3795811
>>3795814
Both of those posts are ban worthy.
So if any of you atheistfags are butthurt, you know what to do report button is bottom-right corner

>>3795713
> I think he’ll thank his lucky stars that old Benedict is around to back him up
I love this guy.

>>3795807
>Muslims are doing these things mostly because they have a deep hatred for the secular world.
>Americans still think this

>>3795751
>"Religion is to create comfort" conflicts with the fact that many people would go to war and suffer for their religion / for their beliefs.
Except, they suffer so they can gain eternal life. So, that's a pretty major comfort.
Not about to go into a religious debate on the internet, or 4chan of all places. Just pointing that out.

>>3795808

You're now aware that most intelligent people are religious, and being religious is a very difficult thing to do.

It's much, much easier to discount religion than it is to embrace it.

>>3795816

>I'm too good for this discussion, and you're still dishonest and a bad person

>>3795821
muh freedumbs! They're jealous of our fredumbs!

>>3795808
>/lit/
>intelligent
haha oh-wow

The only thing you need to know about this place: of all the boards here, on /lit/ you stir shit up by trolling christards rather than atheistfags. You know the demographic now. Go figure.

>>3795819
>He doesn't use the drop-down menu

>>3795770

>>3795819
Your intellectual investigation in the psychology of religious persons isn't as fascinating or groundbreaking as you think, trust me. It's /b/ tier.

>>3795821
they do?
Have you ever heard them speak?
They hate the promiscuity of women, they hate the way women dress, they hate that we drink so much alcohol, they hate how tolerant we are of blasphemy, etc.

>>3795827
>2013
>he doesn't block javascript

>>3795818
I've met a great number of religious people that are respectful of other people's beliefs, or lack of beliefs. Sadly, this thread appears to be filled with overly defensive Christians. The slightest question of their faith leads to a lot of shit-posting that most of the time not address the comment.

>>3795817
>uh oh my out-of-ass ravings have precendence over rigorous scientific discovery
yeah, nope

>>3795836
>implying there's even one Christian here

>>3795836
*does not

>>3795831
What people say doesn't really reflect on the material causes of their anger, though. They wouldn't be talking about America (as much) if we didn't give them so much reason to; of course their complaints about us are going to be religious because that's the mode they think and especially the mode they propagandize in, but this is really just hate of US military etc cathected into secularization or something

>>3795831
>Have you heard them speak?

Have you? Or have you just heard the one's who record themselves shouting crazy shit on CNN?

>They hate the promiscuity of women

Most conservative Muslims are just made uncomfortable by it. But that's conservative Muslims. Go to Lebanon or Jordan and you'll see pretty much what you do in the west.

>they hate the way women dress

See above.

>they hate that we drink so much alcohol

So do a lot of Americans. It's not really something to be proud of. At least you're not so ignorant that you failed to include "so much".

>they hate how tolerant we are of blasphemy

Hardly true anywhere.

You don't know anyone from the Muslim world. You don't know anything about the Muslim world.

>>3795838
What "rigorous scientific study"? What other scientific explanation is there for cave paintings? What's your explanation, friend?

>>3795831
>Have you ever heard them speak?
You haven't. Militant Islamists don't give a fuck what the Western secular world does to itself, they just don't want them fucking with Muslims and their lands.

>>3795836

The usual Christian tactic of counter-arguments usually consists of posting a picture of someone wearing a fedora with some "edgy" quotes on them (probably a fake, troll profile on okcupid, even), and then pointing them to leddit, because /lit/ is too sophisticated, and generally making to argument against what is being said. Anyone who doubts is an edgy fedora-wearing militant atheist.

Sad and pathetic.

>>3795844
but we're not talking about the "Muslim world", we're talking about jihadists.

>>3795823
>You're now aware that most intelligent people are religious

>>3795831
Daily reminder that you're being lied to by corporate controlled media and government:
http://www.truth-out.org/progressivepicks/item/16551-jeremy-scahill-recounts-how-the-us-dirty-wars-killed-women-and-children-in-a-yemeni-village

>>3795851
>because /lit/ is too sophisticated, and generally making to argument against what is being said.

What

>>3795845
My explanation doesn't matter. Neither does yours. Read a fucking book by a scientist. And no, Bible Belt Jesus College staff don't count.

>>3795851
This is and has been true for /lit/, though. For quite some times. Lots of religiontards enforced the acceptance of being an atheist as a slight to status. Which is sad and hilarious at the same time, given /lit/s elitist self-image.

>>3795660
>Not going beyond the atheist-theist dichotomy

>>3795868
stop trying to get laid

>>3795817
>I'm saying religious thought coincides with human thought.
How did you even draw this conclusion. Because we project the human condition within a story, (which we have always done and continue to do) in order to fill in what we do not understand, does not mean the correlation is a justification of religion.
>Why do you think people ritually sought the darkest chthonic space they could to create them?
Because cave are shelter. What's your point?
>Why does art have an ostensibly religious function since its apparent inception?
Yeah, every peace of art ever created is projecting and inspired by religious muse. Religion is a beautiful concept. That's why some choose to create art of it. It can also be restrictive of the artistic muse, which is why Michaelangelo took a swing at the church in his painting in the sistine chapel.
> "Good without spirit" atheism is a rejection of the conditions of humanity themselves, though so is modern living so it's a bit of a wash.
Just...no.

>>3795868
When something is a dichotomy, there is no middle ground.

As is the case with one's belief in a god.

Read a fuking book and lose fedora.

>>3795867
you're very paranoid.
/lit/ doesn't have a standard "party line" on the topic of religion.
It's just one of the few places on these quite liberal sites like 4chan/Reddit that people are grown up enough to hear about religion without having a kneejerk "HURR RELIGION" response.

>>3795867
> Lots of religiontards enforced the acceptance of being an atheist as a slight to status.

Atheists did that to themselves. Blame r/atheism.

>>3795861
this is one of my favorites on the subject, will it suffice? You should read it when you get the chance to stop being such an ignorant piece of shit.

>>3795848
>they just don't want them fucking with Muslims and their lands.
This is wrong, you are an ignorant loudmouth. See memri-tv on youtube for empirical evidence.

>>3795867
>seriously implying this applies to /lit/

/lit/ in general hates new-atheists, but only because they're morons that make atheists look bad. /lit/ in general also hates pop-spiritual "gurus" and fundie evangelists. I don't think there is any regular poster on /lit/ that isn't at least technically secularist and the majority, I assume the VAST majority, are non-believers (probably most agnostic-de-facto-atheists). Take this shit elsewhere.

>>3795881
>Atheists did that to themselves. Blame r/atheism.
What happens on reddit stays on reddit. Don't impose the actions of those faggots onto /lit/.

>>3795888
>This is wrong, you are an ignorant loudmouth.
Ok.

>>3795881

What you're doing is misrepresenting every atheist here. It's as if every atheist here treated you like one of those Westboro Church people.

And we all know how wrong that is. Yet this "go back to ur fedora LELE atheism top lel" attitude is somehow probably the most common comeback from christians here. It's embarrassing.

>>3795884
>wild speculation
>not a stance shared by the scientific community's consensus
fail

>>3795896
Come back when you've seen the evidence. Just few clicks away. Btw, cool reaction image, bro.

>>3795900
now, now. he tried his best.
not judging you for your faith. I'm judging you for your ignorance and stubbornness

>>3795877
yeah, they have "hurrrr 2edgy4me fedora.jpg" reaction instead

>>3795870
>>3795875
>hur fedora
>hur getting laid on an anonymous image board
>fuking

You guys holding up okay?

>>3795877

See this: >>3795908

As soon as an atheist says anything to doubt religion here, there is ironically an onslaught of religious people going "LEL ATHEISM" posting images like >>3795677.
Again, it's embarrassing.

>>3795908
>being this mad that r/atheism is laughed at on /lit/

just go back to reddit

>mfw I've seen three threads today which devolved into the same sort of religious debate

I've only been to this board since a few months back. Is this standard? Also I realized this thread doesn't have much to do with literature other than a vague connection to the Bible.

Really I remember 4chan was always bad but I swear it just gets worse everyday.

>>3795874
I'm saying art's earliest value, frankly one it held at least until the Renaissance, is primarily religious. Greek, Roman and Egyptian statues all had a similarly spiritual function (even sculptures of rulers held their "spirit" in some little-understood way), and it's at least supposed that early stuff like the Venus of Willendorf had religious value. Asian art is the same, although the functional vs religious value of pottery complicates things a bit.

You can't say that it was just because caves had shelter that the paintings were made there; painters specifically and ritually sought out the most difficult to access places. If it were convenience, it would be somewhere convenient.

The other points are basically conjecture about humans being the only "spiritual" animals, which is probably impossible to prove or disprove or anything in any case right now.

>>3795902
>I lern gfrom yootoob

Saw it. Did you read the statements from al-Qaida after the 9/11 attacks? Do you seriously, honestly think that the objective Jihadists have is to make the secular West into fundamentalist Islamist countries?

>>3795916
You...you have to know how embarrassing this type of comment is now, right?
>>3795908
isn't even upset. He's mocking you for your inability accept that others have opposing views.
You're embarrassing yourself.

>>3795919
0,0001% of the population had access to art and other forms of higher culture

what is your point?

>>3795918
Just another raid. They occur and disappear, much like the tide.

>>3795925

What

That is not true at all.

Like not even a little.

Not even the guy you're talking to.

There is a reason why atheism is described as a lack of faith. Because materialism and physicalism is naive and was abandoned 100 years ago.
If you compare it to the statement: "i have faith", you can easily see, that "i have no faith" is an equal statement and both of them don't have the least bit to do with science.
So why being an ass over the religion of another person?

>>3795924
get over it
atheism is a fedoracore belief

sorry that the internet has progressed past the golden-era of internet atheism of 2006

>>3795902
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute#Reception

>>3795923
This might be a shock to you but cameras can capture real life events. Can you connect the dots now? Do you see how seeing extremist statements from prominent muslims with your own eyes might help you here?

Who am I kidding. Let's disregard actual evidence and listen to ignorant, underachieving imageboard shitposter's out-of-us judgements. bottom lel

>>3795925
after cave art religious art and religion in general become communal
try again

or consider tragedy, if dealing this far in the past is too obscure
"That the theater actually was for the pagans what the church is for us is apparent also in the fact that the theater had no admission charge; that it should cost something to go to the theater was just as unthinkable to the pagans as it would be for us to pay admission to go to a church. This concept of the theater can, in general, be expanded to a total view of paganism."

>>3795933

>cameras are objective observers
>extremist statements from prominent muslims
>no such thing as context
>read this how I tell you

all the leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel

>>3795933
About half of this made any sense. You're implying that al-Qaida's actual statements on their motivations aren't actual evidence, and listening to, eh, something about 4chan posters?

>>3795930
that was cringeworthy
3/10

>>3795939
>This concept of the theater can, in general, be expanded to a total view of paganism."

now that's what I call bullshit

where did you get that? an undergraduate's thesis?

>>3795932
>uncut, uncommented, unedited clips from muslim media
>biased

you better see your doctor, dude

>>3795919
Art is the convection of ideas. Religion is one of many ideas. To say that art's earliest value was religious until the Renaissance is ignoring a long history of social norms and quite obviously a lot of art.
>even sculptures of rulers held their "spirit" in some little-understood way.
Making kings out to be gods/deities/demigods is a fairly convenient way to maintain authority over the people.
>If it were convenience, it would be somewhere convenient.
don't mix convenience with shelter. How do you know most of the work wasnt done in accessible places, but simply destroyed? And if you did a bit of research, you would find that most of the caves that have evidence of artwork also have evidence of inhabitants.
>The other points are basically conjecture about humans being the only "spiritual" animals, which is probably impossible to prove or disprove or anything in any case right now.
I agree. I tend to lean towards "creators" and "critical thinkers" but that is neither here nor there.

>2013
>being a heathen
>worshiping nothing but your dick

wow

>>3795951
>drinking the kool-aid from glorious imperialist governments
>unbiased

you better see your doctor, dude

>>3795952
>ignoring a long history of social norms and quite obviously a lot of art.

It's very easy to just say this.

>How do you know most of the work wasnt done in accessible places, but simply destroyed?

How do you know it wasn't made by flying imps that all just died off leaving no evidence?

hi guys, i took a look through this thread and i've decided that overall the christians have won. sorry atheists :P

>>3795931
>picking sides dependent upon online trends
>using memes as your defense

>>3795941
>cameras are objective observers
inanimate objects can be subjective?

>extremist statements from prominent muslims'
exactly

>no such thing as context
uncut, uncommented, unedited clips from muslim media don't need third party implementation of context, in fact such an action would be manipulation

>>read this how I tell you
>uncut, uncommented, unedited clips
>telling you anything ever except for the video itself
you might have schizophrenia, see your doctor

>>3795961
>implying gifs are better than memes

they aren't

>>3795943
>al-Qaida is all muslims and their statements override all other statements
duuuuuuuuuude, this is embarassing, please stop

>>3795969
>>al-Qaida is all muslims

they're pretty much the voice of muslims in the modern world

>>3795966

You're naivety is so funny

>>3795968
that wasn't implied, but hey, you tried.

>>3795975
>implying spoilers are better

they aren't

>>3795955
>uncut, uncommented, unedited clips from muslim media
>biased
I sincerely hope you are trolling and not retarded. I don't want to live in a world when retarded people are functional, voting and sharing my resources.

>>3795968
by the way, you're on an image board.

>>3795944

What was cringeworthy? That being religious is equal to being an atheist?
Well. someday, you too, will grow up.

>>3795918
It's memorial day. Wait until the kids are back in school.

>>3795972
Why do I feel surprised. What did I expect. At least Internet helped me realize how much I hate ignorance.

>>3795958
http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2013/may/26/prehistoric-cave-art-dordogne
This is generally how I know. It wasn't even hard to find this, and there are many more cases like it. If you read a bit down the article, it explains that they often camped in the caves. The work they painted was of their food source. And there is evidence that they had lived there at some point.
I will give it to you that the reasoning behind their choice to travel to the darkest recess of the cave is unknown, but it is up for speculations. One could easily attribute this behaviour to a willingness to record early life. Journalism and the transcription of history is just as likely a cause as anything else.

>>3795974
You confuse smugness with ignorance.
I was serious about that schizophrenia, see your doc before it's too late.
Also as a conciliatory gesture I'll recommend you >>>/x/ and >>>/pol/

>>3795952
Ultimately it depends on what you define as "art" versus "craft," which is a bit of a problem because people before (and even during) the Renaissance didn't have much of an idea what the difference was themselves. All I can say is that the secular idea that the artist puts himself and his ideas on the canvas is a very modern one.

With the sculptures of rulers bit, it's more complicated. Like, the statues themselves had a spiritual presence; people would offer cases before statues from the emperor, for example (idk how they were resolved but w/e). There's a long, long history of statues possessing spiritual value (e.g. the scandal when Alcibiades rekt all of Hermes' dick-statues).

I think that with cave paintings even in the case of inhabitants they seek more "difficult" parts of the cave but I'm basically a dabbler in pre-history

>>3795969
>The most prominent jihadist group in the world isn't faily representative of jihadists as general philosophy is concerned
>Implying anyone but you said al-Qaida are all Muslims
>Seriously not seeing the hypocrisy in your green-text
>Still hasn't produced anything of value in defense preferring authority argument ala "IT'S THERE TRUST ME, I'M NOT FROM /POL/ HABEEB ME!!!"

>>3795737
>intellectual strength

Is that a thing?

>>3795978
Hi, welcome to 4chan. Where people use spoilers, post images, and hate you.
The point of trolling is to get someone mad, not go full retard
I'm using spoilers and no one can stop me

>>3796000
You're being trolled.

>>3795999
>The most prominent jihadist group in the world isn't faily representative of jihadists as general philosophy is concerned
exactly
>Implying anyone but you said al-Qaida are all Muslims
I stated what you/him implied
>Seriously not seeing the hypocrisy in your green-text
show me where
>Still hasn't produced anything of value in defense preferring authority argument ala "IT'S THERE TRUST ME, I'M NOT FROM /POL/ HABEEB ME!!!"
what? who are you talking to?

>>3796007
>exactly

10/10, you earned it. :)

>>3795993
>not having schizophrenia
you're just an unactivated switchboard, my friend
it's not too late, you can always give yourself toxoplasmosis

>>3796010
read a book ;-)

>>3796013
Its funny because we're on /lit/

>>3796013
:)

>>3796013
>gets info from youtube
>tells someone to read a book

This thread's toppest mostest Lyl

>>3796043
psst, psst, those filmed people are real people

damn this CGI generation

>>3796043

>>3795705
>At least Benedict was an intellectual, this guy is sort of a goof, I think.
pharisee scum pls go

>>3795737
Fact: It takes much more intellectual strength to believe that a dog is a reptile than to believe that a dog is a mammal.

>>3796086
Come on dude. Don't feed the trolls. 4chan already has enough of em'.

>>3796047
>>3796053
No tears.

And will you not learn by these brilliant examples that the egoist gets on best? I for my part take a lesson from them, and propose, instead of further unselfishly serving those great egoists, rather to be the egoist myself.

God and mankind have concerned themselves for nothing, for nothing but themselves. Let me then likewise concern myself for myself, who am equally with God the nothing of all others, who am my all, who am the only one.

If God, if mankind, as you affirm, have substance enough in themselves to be all in all to themselves, then I feel that I shall still less lack that, and that I shall have no complaint to make of my "emptiness." I am nothing in the sense of emptiness, but I am the creative nothing, the nothing out of which I myself as creator create everything.

Away, then, with every concern that is not altogether my concern! You think at least the "good cause" must be my concern? What's good, what's bad? Why, I myself am my concern, and I am neither good nor bad. Neither has meaning for me.

The divine is God's concern; the human, man's. My concern is neither the divine nor the human, not the true, good, just, free, etc., but solely what is mine, and it is not a general one, but is—unique,as I am unique.

Nothing is more to me than myself!

>>3796091
>he replied

This thread is filled with some of the most uncreative trolling I have ever seen.

>>3795660
If the pope is kissing the bible, does that mean he's gay for jesus, or for god? Yes or no?

>>3796095
>he replied to him replying

>>3796094
Go away edgy teenager

>>3796097

The classics are the classics for a reason

>>3796104
>still replied

>>3796115
Because nobody likes the classics anymore?

>all dem atheist butttears and eyesocketsdevastation
MIDDLE LEL

>>3796115
le ad populum face

>>3796112
>hasn't read stirner
It shows.

>>3796119
>tfw you don't dare to use fedora or redhat linux because of the blatant neckbeard/euphoric intellignet symbolism

>>3796167
>to read Stirner is to prescribe, hook, line, and sinker, to his philosophy

You know how dumb you got to be?

>>3796119
>you replying to a reply replying to a reply replying to a reply

>>3796173
I didn't imply that, but dismissing him as edgy teen philosophy shows that one isn't familiar with his work.

>mfw the only reason religioustards defend their beliefs so strongly is because they're still fannyflustered that their parents mutilated their dicks as babbies, and they desperately want to believe it was for a good reason

>>3796206
Why do Americans practice circumcision? Is it because they want to be Jews so badly?

>>3796211
yes

>>3796206
>mfw the only reason antireligioustards defend their beliefs so strongly is because they're still fannyflustered that their parents left their dickskin as babbies, and they desperately want to believe it was for a good reason

>>3796216
>having feeling in your penis
>not a good thing

puritan cornflake scum pls go

>>3796211
There's a huge myth that unless you circumcise your baby its dick will get infected, turn green, and fall off.

America pretends to be cutting-edge, but such beliefs exhibit it's just a dressed-up stone age.

>>3796211
because cutting your forskin off makes it harder to masterbate...so it goes back to a mixture of puritanism and also a need to expand the white population to outnumber the savage indians.

>>3796220
>circumcision
>more pleasure, cleaner, dick doesn't look like it's engulfed by fungus
>uncircumcised
>no feeling in the dick, requires extra attention in wash, girls laugh at your b-horror movie-prop and ask you to show the real thing

papist paedophile scum pls go

200 comments and nothing constructive, I expected better /lit/ (not really)

This article is a prime example of why non-Catholics or at least non-religiously educated people should not comment on theological news.

Redemption is not salvation. The pope said Athiests were redeemed, like all people, even hitler. Media took this to mean they achieved salvation, which is NOT what was said. The vatican clarified that salvation still required faith, which is a sentiment papa Frankie still agrees with, but the media took it as disagreement, which it is not.

Also, papal infallibility has been invoked like, once.

5 years into the future of 2008 and we're talking about what some mexican child molester said about some exclusive terrorist-and-virgin-filled club in the clouds, lel,

must be a new maymay im not in on

What's up with all the religious nuts in /lit/ lately?

>>3796280

americans have always been a large part of /lit/

>>3796290

Haha. Do all Americans believe this kind of shit?

>>3796275
>>3796280
>>3796290
>>3796297
>tripfagging and samefagging

I've only seen as clearly one other time. It was just as pathetic then.

>>3796297

does the catholic pope molest countless little boys every day?

>>3796306

lel, what are you talking about you glob of vaginal drip, why would i samefag for such a useless cause?

>>3796230
>uncircumcised
>no feeling in the dick
I have bad new for you, son.

>>3796306

Butthurt Catholic Murrkan detected.

>>3796317
Same reason you trip for such a useless cause.

You're desperate for attention, and this is the bottom-of-the-barrel, easiest, shittiest place you can get it.

>>3796331

yes i crave the attention of some fattened fucking sedentary neckbeards, shower me with your love

>>3796344
Apply yourself, if all this self-sucking on 4chan makes you feel like shit. Find a better forum. Find some hobbies.

You could actually start lifting weights rather than just pretending to.

>>3796353

lel, you know, if i was that person you are describing i'd fucking kill myself ace.
when i say i'm awesome, i really mean it. but if that kind of image of me makes you feel better when i insult you, then by all means proceed.