/lit/ - Literature

Depressing literature?

I don't know man. That stuff can be hard to find.

Books by depressed people? OK, I think I can do that. Here are some suggestions

>Every fucking book
>In the history of the world
>Ever

I would help you but I always have to laugh when I hear the word depression.

>>3771988

Not just by depressed people, but by depressed people who live as if they are not depressed.

>>3771987
>That stuff can be hard to find in the YA section

>>3771995

I am a senior STEM student. :(

you might want to look into noonday demon, it's the best book on depression out there, the most depressing book is journey to the end of the night but i wouldn't want you to read it if you are depressed

how about a glass of man the fuck up and stop referring to depression as an incurable and tragic "disease" when you're a grown man still going through his teenage angst

>>3772022

Go on.

>>3772022
This.

I'm really embarrassed for NEETs who post on different boards about their depression.

Once upon a time, depression was just called living. Now, you clowns are so sheltered and "sensitive" that having a zit makes you stay inside for 7 weeks straight "recuperating". Hilarious.

>>3772032

No, it was called "melancholia" and was considered a legitimate ailment.

There's really only one condition modern people in the West suffer from.

Narcissism

It's actually a lot worse and harder to cope with than depression.

Depressing literature is the easiest to find. Let's break it down by country, shall we?

Russia :
Dostoyevsky (Notes from the Underground, Demons)
Tolstoy (The Death of Ivan Ilyich)
Turgenev (Diary of a Superfluous Man)

Japan :
Mishima (The Temple of the Golden Pavilion)
Soseki (Kokoro)
Dazai (No Longer Human, Setting Sun)

France :
Sartre (Nausea)
Céline (Journey to the End of the Night)
Perec (A Man Asleep)

Germany/Austria :
Bernhard (Gargoyles, The Lime Works)
Kafka (Metamorphosis)
Hamsun (Hunger)

Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Cioran and Kierkegaard also wrote extensively on 'depression' that is to say 'anguish' 'feelings of unease' 'alienation' 'moral sickness' etc.

>>3772032
>>3772022
>>3771987
>>3771988
>>3771991

And I thought this was supposed to be one of the smarter boards. What a fucking joke.

>>3772052
The joke is you and your ilk have found a "niche area" for your snowflake syndrome and it's actually an invented mental disability.

50 years from now, people will pretend to be mentally retarded just to feel "special". Pitiful.

>>3772052

Hasn't been for some time. Especially on the weekends. I blame the /pol/ influx.

>>3772052
>thinking /lit/ is a hivemind

>>3772055

Whoa look out we got a tough guy here

I dun wan no trabble

>>3772061

>green text
>reaction image
>proving his point

>>3772067
misusing the quoting feature.

>>3772077

You're right, I'm sorry. I got carried away.

>>3772055
And I suppose that you have substantiated proof to back that claim up?

>>3772083

Everyone has proof. Don't shit up the thread with this retarded argument. Let it die or talk about literature.

>>3772055
fucking this
you can already notice this sudden influx of self-diagnosed autists who think it's some meta trend and embrace it with pure vanity

i guess they're technically retards for having such ludicrous nature

>>3772083
Sure. 100 years ago nobody needed a therapist, medication, or any of this other bullshit just to live their lives.

It's invented because you're all so pampered and sheltered that the slightest thing sends you in a tizzy. I'd demand answers from your parents.

Do you still get good grades? I am a STEM major and I got depressed and turned into a nihilist and nearly failed all my classes. Probably gonna drop out

>>3772096

Talking more is not proof.

>>3772092

>Melancholia is a mood disorder of non-specific depression, characterized by low levels of both enthusiasm and eagerness for activity.

>non-specific depression

>Melancholia was described as a distinct disease with particular mental and physical symptoms in the 5th and 4th centuries BC. Hippocrates, in his Aphorisms, characterized all "fears and despondencies, if they last a long time" as being symptomatic of melancholia.[9]

>4th and 5th centuries BC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melancholia

>>3772096
"Depression was initially called "melancholia". The earliest accounts of melancholia appeared in ancient Mesopotamian texts in the second millennium B.C. At this time, all mental illnesses were attributed to demonic possession, and were attended to by priests. In contrast, a separate class of "physicians" treated physical injuries (but not conditions like depression). The first historical understanding of depression was thus that depression was a spiritual (or mental) illness rather than a physical one."

>>3772113

melancholia wasn't traditionally treated with medicines until the 1800s, instead it was treated with social and spiritual support

>>3772129
thats pretty much all you need if you simply cant fix it yourself

not to sound like some blind "hurr just do it fag", but that's literally the case.

>>3772137
simply can't fix it alone*

>>3772055
Depression is just as much an invented mental construct as happiness or... literally every other state of mood.

>>3772129

The point is that it was considered an ailment and it was treated.

>>3772137

And you are basing this opinion on what?

>>3772022
The funny thing about the 'man up son' crowd is that they are under the impression that all people have the same range of emotions. They project their crude interior life onto others and conclude that they never had any mental states that were truly troubling, so another person can't have those either. They must be pussies, since they 'can't handle' these simple and manageable feelings.

Actually, the people who are susceptible to depression are often more intelligent, more sensitive and have a broader range of perception and emotion, leading to a greater vulnerability and a greater possible range of suffering.

When the 'man up' crowd thinks they are superior, they are in fact cockroaches mocking the butterfly for it's fragile wings. Yet they never soar to it's height and they will never achieve it's beauty.

>>3771981
Schopenhauer basically spun a whole worldview out of depression.

>>3772144
It's not opinion, it's what I've experienced.

>>3772149
This is the most hilarious post I've ever read on /lit/

Saved

>>3772156

Do you understand that you are not every person?

>>3772167
Whatever one man can accomplish, so can another - within reason.

People like to make their problems into big fantastical things, I can understand the appeal, but eventually you have to start thinking practically. If you feel fucked up or shit never goes right that means you're doing something wrong - review your actions and thoughts and fix it. Nothing else to it.

>>3772149
hahaha wp anon wp
10/10

>>3772149
>I am a beautiful, frail butterfly--a bit like a snowflake in the sun.

>You aren't depressed because your emotions are crude and limited, whereas mine are so myriad and run a full, impossible gambit

Man up, twat. You're just excusing your weaknesses by pretending they're somehow actually strengths. You're a failure an always will be until you shrug off this bullshit.

>>3772149
Haha, these are the posts that keep bringing me back to /lit/. Well said, anon. Keep posting.

>>3772178
It's a ruse, my fellow. No self-respecting man dildos himself like that.

>>3772175
>Whatever one man can accomplish, so can another - within reason.

So no, you don't understand that you are not every person.

The rest of that psychobabble is rather ironic since you're basically using it to prop yourself up.

How do you feel about suicides? Were they just too weak? Not the mental Goliath that you are?

>>3772184
Same shit, I've had suicidal thoughts until I sat down and decided to figure out what I was going on about instead of indulging in hysterics.

I'm just telling you the reality of the situation and how things can be fixed, nothing more.

>>3772187

You didn't answer my questions.

>>3772178

Aww, look at the little cockroach, with his narrow range of emotions and inability to empathize with others. Keep reading, anon, and maybe some day you will metamorphose from a cockroach into a beautiful butterfly.

>>3772189
tl;dr yea, they're ragequitters that couldn't handle the results of their own plays. Nothing to be done.

>>3772195
You're so bored with life you have to invent problems. I think you got the short shrift, here, dude.

>>3772198

Thanks, that's all I wanted. I hope I've demonstrated for the audience that you are an awful human being with no real ability for empathy and no understanding of the feelings of others. You are so narcissistic, in fact, that you don't even think others have feelings that you do not. You assume we are all defective copies of you.

>>3772202
Uhm, ok. Have fun with your false humility and understanding while people who want to have some power in their lives move onto better things. I aint even mad.

>>3772195
you must be very happy with that metaphor
certainly the apogee of your creativity

>>3771987

made me grin

>>3772149

11/10

>>3772210

I don't have any humility. I'm quite a bit better than you. Most people are.

>>3772201

>implying depression is a choice

You know, empathy is a sign of emotional intelligence.

>>3772219
If only you had the understanding.

You mean cockroach! Ugly cockroach! I am a butterfly! Look at me so free and pretty! Weeeeee!

>>3772224

Yes, the world would be so much better off if we were all great powerful men like you.

>>3772212
Lay off him. He's depressed.

You can't empathize because he's more intelligent an experiences more emotions than you do.

Come back when you can understand an ounce of his depression-for-no-real-reason. Until then, you can't say peep.

"What's a black beetle anyway, a fucking roach?"
-Kanye West

Depression is not about external factors. It's all internal. The brain is malfunctioning and it makes you want to die. Humans natural setting is survival mode. When a chemical imbalance is compromising the most basic, most important instinct of a species, you've got a problem

Most of you don't know what depression is. Even many of you defending its legitimacy. Depression is just a word. The actual reality of what it's meant to represent can not be expressed by a word. To many of you, depression means "sad", "moody", "dejected", "miserable", etc.. A whole range of human emotions that display some level of feeling. Depression is the opposite of that. It is the absence of emotion.

It is not triggered by a zit or by poor self-image, by rejection or a feeling of helplessness or any other trivial factors someone could come up with. It is the real death of the ego. It is the rejection of sentience. It is not romantic. It is unnatural.

>>3772230
By virtue of knowing exactly how to solve my problems without extended support, I'd say I'm better off than the majority of people, it's a powerful attribute indeed - being able to assess yourself properly.

I don't know where you picked up this idea of worshiping weakness, but I'm not upset with you - I've had my moments. I wish you well anon.

>>3772237

Yes, you can cure yourself of all mental affliction. You don't need anyone. You have no empathy because empathy is weakness. You are the superman.

>>3772223
that's all it is though - nothing but the volunteer act of enclosing yourself in your own fucking reality and self-crafted standards and blaming it on a excusable biological occurrence

>>3772241
If you want to be coddled, go talk to your therapist or your enabling parents.

We're giving you the stone cold truth.

>>3772251

I know I'm not strong enough like you great handsome men. With your toned bodies and sharp minds. If only I were such a monumental man. I can only hope to one day be fit to walk in your shadow. The shadow of gods among men.

Damn right I'm a cockroach. I live off shit and carry on with no head. There's no need for beauty when you're a perfect survival machine.

Let's see how you do in a nuclear blast, pusscake.

>>3772270
>muh survival

Typical insensitive roach.

There's too many threads about depression and shit. I'm bipolar so I'm sympathetic towards depressed people but keep it to one thread and talk about books.

>>3772250

You've got it backwards. Depression is what causes the enclosing of oneself in their own reality and all of the self-crafted standards that come with that. Why the fuck would anyone choose to be depressed?

The cure for depression is becoming a NEET recluse. I've never been so happy in my life.

>>3772366

How did that fix it?

>>3772364
They are attracted to the romantic image of a depressed person. Then they realize they've trapped themselves.

>>3772364
>Why the fuck would anyone choose to be depressed?

Attention.

>>3772366
Different strokes.

I have two jobs and a girlfriend. Losing any of them would make me unhappy. For me, working and coming home to my girl is happiness.

So, your version of happiness would be my version of misery. Just something to be aware of.

>>3772373
>not doing things I dislike
>only doing things I like
>whenever I like
>however I like
>for life
>no longer need meaning or purpose
>life doesn't need justification because it's worthwhile in itself
>effortless
>delicious
>quietly joyful
>looking at the stars at four am on a week day with wine in my cup
>nowhere to go and nothing to do
>no obligation beyond enjoying myself

It's been the way of the wise since the beginning of time.

http://www.hermitary.com/

>>3772364
to look as the romanticized heroes of their favourite novels

>>3772383

Meh I dont enjoy anything

>>3772389
You seem to enjoy being a contrary shit on the 'net.

>>3772380
Of course, I wasn't under the impression that everyone is missing their calling as a hermit. But it's an option that isn't even considered these days mostly, while during the rest of the history of humanity there was always some sort of opt-out. You had shamans and monks and all kind of secluded types being supported or at least tolerated or even revered. Today the totality of our culture is social, involved, hectic, extroverted and noisy. While the personality type predisposed towards a life of do-nothing and a large amount of solitude still exists. It just isn't recognised and when it is, it's demonised.

>>3772241
Alright, I'm back for you.

>Yes, you can cure yourself of all mental affliction. You don't need anyone.

That's closer to the truth than you think, though I do value the insight of people with more experience than me.

>You have no empathy because empathy is weakness.
Let me tell you about empathy, you seem to confuse it with being a simpering fool blaming his problems on the devil. Real empathy is helping the person figure out their own problems so they can grow and not need other people as crutches, so they can find and utilize their own inner strengths. "Feed a man a fish a day, or teach him to fish" as it goes. It's clear you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>3772389
My anhedonia went away when I 'dropped out'. You're case might be wholly different though.