/lit/ - Literature

How do you like your eggs in the morning?

Why is the Bible used to hate on homosexuals?

>>3751809

Broken over easy and on toast, with mayo, topped with a sprinkle of cheese.

>>3751795
The Bible is also my favourite book to read. I think I could read Ecclesiates/Mat/Mark/Luke/John a million times and still not be bored of them. What's your translation of choice? I currently like the HCSB and ESV/NRSV

Do you like the Bible for other reasons than it gives you justification not to mind your own business?

>>3751822

Because its a sin.

However, the same bible that calls homos sinful, is also the same bible that rebukes all of us for being tremendous sinners. Whether you believe in inherited sin, or if you believe as I believe that the sin was conspiring against God in heaven and being thrown down to earth.

And the same bible that calls all of us sinners, is also the same bible that says "pull the plank out of your own eye, before you try to pull the splinter out of your brother's".

Basically, if there's a homo, and he's a really nice person, and he repents with all his heart to Jesus, it is more likely that he will be saved than I, if I was one of the hateful people that tried to oppress him.

So we should identify all sins and try to encourage people to be better, but never ever stop being kind, gentle, and loving, in our ministry.

We should not discriminate against a single sin, but neither is it godly to oppress other people and force our beliefs onto them. Which is why I believe the correct vote for a christian is "abstention", not for because it is a sin, but not against because neither should we contribute to tyranny.

>>3751836
>justification not to mind your own business

This is what some people actually believe. Stop trying to ruin the thread, this guy is actually trying to help people.

>>3751825
>British

>>3751836

>>3751865
Sawwy..

God bless you OP. Can you pray for me as I've fallen back into sin and I feel very distant from God. My name is Nathan.

>>3751881
Nathan's a cute name. Poast feet.

>>3751857
abstention from what?

>>3751827

NIV is my translation of choice. Although I don't truly have a "favorite", I like all of them and believe that they are all identical. The only "differences" are synonyms anyways.

We use the KJV in one of the WMSCOG studies to point out that Jesus was calling a certain type of people in the last days (a type of people who call Jesus lord) "Lawless Ones". NIV says "Evil" and that is good enough.

The only real reason I'd debate between bibles is if one said the literal word I'm testifying, instead of me being the one who is implying a synonym. Though to be honest if I'm arguing semantics the person I'm preaching to is probably not enjoying my company and its time for a graceful exit.

>>3751836

Yeah, it was a mind-blowing read for me, absolutely titanic in how it changed my life.

I used to be a pagan, see, I tried everything in every religion, and even "magic", and I was dissatisfied with all the results and I was extremely skeptical about a lot of their "historical facts".

I hated Christianity the most of all, because there are over 400 contradictions in the world today, all different denominations.

I decided to give the WMSCOG a shot only because of my friend, and they walked me through history and a ton of awesome prophecies which I believe in. Daniel's prophecy is hotly debated and I believe my church's version over others. The rebirth of the fig tree was also a mind-blower, because I do not believe in coincidences when it comes to God and prophecy.

>>3751858

1/2 german, 1/4 swedish, 1/4 norweigan, 100% Amerifag.

>>3751929
So you have acquired British tastes. Fascinating.

Why do "saved" folks have boring senses of humor? Like, why lose your edge brah? I wanna live, not anesthetize my suffering with randumb "beliefs."

>>3751865

Thank you.

>>3751881

As you wish, it would be my pleasure.

...And it is done. God Bless You.

>>3751884

Abstention form voting on gay rights. See the bible is clear that homo is a sin, but Jesus is also explicitly clear that love is the greatest commandment. God who are Father and Mother teaches us in the WMSCOG to have a broad mind like the ocean to cover up the fault's of others instead of judging them.

So we ourselves should not contribute to sin by voting yes. We should also not contribute to tyranny and hate by oppressing them with a "no".

Also that is purely my own personal opinion, the wmscog does not have an official stance on voting, that is your own personal right. But I base my thoughts on the studies I've received.

>>3751963
>politics should let religion lead

>>3751960

We have very candid sense of humor, and some of us say ungracious things in private.

But we are also concerned with setting a good example that cannot be mocked, for the sake of our Church in salvation.

So it depends, our tongues loosen up depending on the circumstances. We are only human.

More importantly than the words themselves, is not saying things with hatred or malice. Even though I sometimes say dirty words, it is with laughter and joy with my friends.

>>3751985
If I were you, I would've slipped in at least one attempt at a joke, but Jesus doesn't favor intelligence, now does he?

>>3751977

All I'm saying is, that's not what Paul meant by "become like the greek"...

But yeah, there's a lot of people who forget the greatest commandment in the bible.

>>3752005
Not a fan of "Paul"

>>3752003

Sorry I didn't see much to work with or I would have.

>>3752003
unjustified hostility doesn't favor intelligence.

>>3752022
Look within. Or is that what you meant. You're "empty" so put all of life outside of you, label it "the trinity" or "various levels of God." Kind of like Christian COSplay.

>>3752020

Sorry to hear that. I'm a big fan of Paul. He's one of the major players in helping us point out that sabbath was customary, but Sunday breaking bread was an isolated example (being a once per year feast).

>>3752025

Well there was this one time I hung out with Drunk Moses and Battle Christ.

Cosplay it was.

Zion it was not.

>>3752025
Christians lack a self-deprecating sense of humor.

They've replaced it with "Jeebus lubs me!" and they don't want you to mess with that.

>>3752030
>Sorry to hear that.

Don't expect people to like what you like.

>>3752036
Oh. Was that "humorous?"

>3752048

Yeah the way they whupped my ass was pretty comical.

>>3752035

I don't expect anything.

But I do like to share things I think are good.

>>3752043
it's a shame to put everyone that shares a belief in the same unchanging mold. talks badly about the ability to build characters (if you're into writing). you could also say that all all christians share a self-depreciating humor since they know jesus loves them and still they are far from perfect. you know, embarassment. both things are equally untruth

>>3752064
You don't like sharing things that you don't like.

Duly noted.

>>3752043

I'd like to think that's not true about me or wmscog members I've seen. We laugh a lot at self depreciating jokes, and we also understand when its a good time to use nice manners.

>>3752068
why would you share things you don't like instead of those you do?

>>3752071
Self-deprecating jokes well-timed is great manners. I puts others at ease and your noble expense.

>>3752068

Why would I ever want to share something bad with someone?

>HERE HAVE THIS AIDS! I GOT IT JUST FOR YOU!

>>3752075
If you like not liking things.

>>3752078
Is the AIDS joke self-deprecating?

>>3752081
hmm... ok, I guess. still sounds a lot better to share things you actually like. hopefully you like them because you consider them good in one way or another

>>3752078
That was the joke my friend. Good thing you stole it and pretended it was your own idea. I guess that's "sharing."

>>3752086
I like the things that are unlikable. I just told you.

>>3752076

Interestingly enough, there's a big difference between doing things that actually make people like you; and using proper manners.

Mostly because proper manners are antiquated unless your snobbing it or trying to make a media impression.

Still, proper and all.

If we met as friends I'm just a regular dude though with bad grammar and language like you'd expect. We aren't really that different unless there's a specific reason we feel like its time to be all prim proper and righteous.

>>3752096
I know. liking unlikeable things is a second degree taste though. things that do not naturally attract require deliberate and forceful assimilation i just wondered why would anyone prefer that

>>3752107
A self-deprecating jokes puts people at ease about themselves and makes you not look like a self-aggrandizing asshole piece of shit wanna-be loser.

>>3752082
>>3752091

Thanks, but I'm a preacher, not a Clown. I maintain that I thought of that one all on my own without prompting.

>>3752096

Careful man I almost cut myself on your edges.

>>3752111
Jeebus lubs eberyting. You should too!

>>3752117
>Careful man I almost cut myself on your edges.

Jesus was edgy. Don't diss.

>>3752115

Or I can just not cuss like that, and keep the tone of my voice calm.

Less effort that way.

>>3752125
It's also more hypnotizing, and less effort for you is self-centered.

>>3752119
Well I was honestly wondering, but you seem invested in sounding like a resentful kid. I'm not even christian, by the way. Anyways, goodbye. You can have the last word, I'm sure you're craving it

>>3752132
Wanna-be beliebers hate children.

>>3752129

But hypnotizing is less effort for them too!

>>3752139
And less thinking for themselves. Yay!

>>3752140

It was a joke, there is no hypnotism.

>>3752144
Much truth said in jokes.

>>3751795
Do you believe only 144,000 people go to heaven?

World Mission Society Church of God believe:

Zhang Gil Jah is the woman who WMSCOG members believe is the “mother god”. Members of the WMSCOG call her the “heavenly mother” or “heavenly mother Jerusalem”. She is said to be the wife of Ahn Sahng Hong, who members believe was the second coming of Christ, though many have alleged that they were never in fact legally married. She is also the Chairwoman of the International We Love U Foundation.

Why do you believe this OP? It's not in the Bible mate.

Satan wins, in the real world, every time.

>>3752165
same reason any cult member does, presumably

>>3752148

As a wmscog member, I can attest I was not hypnotized, nor do I hypnotize other people, and in fact the entire idea of hypnotism is garbage except for the most extreme cases of near-sleep meditation.

Also back from dinner.

>>3752165

It is written that the holy city Jerusalem is a spiritual city in heaven, not a literal city. That is what we believe. It is something unlike mankind has ever seen, nor is it a literal place with gates that will magically hover over Israel or even more ridiculously crash into earth.

It is said that she is our mother. That is what we believe.

"Let us make man in our image" "male and female" That is what we believe.

"Shall we allow man to eat the tree of life and become like one of us?" That plural is what we believe.

So when it is written that the Spirit and his Bride will be revealed in the last days, that is what we believe. There are other studies about it, but these verses should be enough to show that it is not unreasonable to believe in Father and Mother together as one God.

>>3752180

We believe that was very true for an extended period of time.

>>3752338
>We believe that was very true for an extended period of time.

Youthey believed that Christianity would win The Game, and youthey still do. Back to your corner now.

>>3752338
>I can attest I was not hypnotized

A hypnotized person does not say, "I am hypnotized."

>>3752338
>the entire idea of hypnotism is garbage

"Thou doth protesteth too much"

>>3752156

No, I don't believe that. We believe, as it is written, that the 144,000 saints go into heaven along with the Great Multitude. These are two groups of people who both go to heaven.

It is written that while everyone is going to heaven; those who'se names could not be found in the book of life, were hurled into the fiery lake. So those are the only people who do not go into heaven.

The only difference between the 144,000 and the Great Multitude is that the 144,000 don't have to die before ascending into heaven.

>>3752187

She is the spiritual bride, not the physical bride, they were not physically married; only ceremonially.

As it is written that Jesus was made like man in every way, Father and Mother have shared in our humanity as examples and prophecies. That is what we believe.

We believe in her because Father's sermons testified to her coming, along with his handwritten books which say "I follow mother" among many other things.

So while there are people who call us a cult, we testify that we have heard the truth. Regardless of any controversies, which we are well informed of and not concerned with.

>>3752355
>Regardless of any controversies, which we are well informed of and not concerned with.

This is true.

>>3752352

The Game? I don't understand what your implying.

I'd recommend looking up "Ad ignorantiam" and "Tautology" before taking that hypnotism suggestion any further.

My experience with hypnotism, having tried it before and having tried administering it once upon a time when I was pagan, is that its garbage. I studied for a long time and tried really hard too, didn't work. Protip: most of the examples you see on TV are staged.

But thank you for your input.

how do you feel about the gnostic faith?
gnosticism as a whole and also the christian gnostic sect?

Also...
what about the gnostic texts,
Gospel of Peter, Mary, etc

>>3752379

My path isn't your path.

>>3752392

I think that gnosticism as a whole is good, for everything idealized by it is in line with not only making people on earth happy, but also practicing the love and commandments of Christ.

It is said that such people may be "judged according to their morals", and may even have a chance for heaven through Jesus giving them mercy after judging their deeds.

Christian gnosticism is a little different, because it begins to base itself upon the word of God, and then immediately forgets that there is a whole bible to read in addition to "love and kindness".

If such people deny commandments of Christ in favor of gnosticism, this may endanger their chance to be judged according to their morals; no matter how good they are.

All that being said, I believe both are vastly lacking, and prefer by far the solemn promise of Christ that he will resurrect me if I keep the passover eating the bread and wine which is his flesh and blood.

>>3752410

You can make a thread and discuss the books and literature pertaining to your faith if you want, please don't feel confined to this thread.

>>3752412
>he will resurrect me if I keep the passover eating the bread and wine which is his flesh and blood

vampire.

>>3752414
Condescension from the saved ones. How ugly.

>>3752414
Please feel confined to this thread.

>>3752416

Actually that's exactly what a lot of people believed of the original cults of Jesus, they kept talking about eating his flesh and blood; because they continued to keep passover.

Even hiding from authorities in crypts because they were afraid of being arrested and killed, which in hindsight only made matters worse.

>>3752421
>>3752425

God bless you.

>>3752432
No.

>>3752433

As you wish.

>>3752437

prope est aestas

amirite?

>>3752440

I have a couple google hits for that but I must confess ignorance to the meme.

>>3752454

it's no meme, dawg

cum producunt iam ex se fructum, scitis, quoniam prope est aestas (luke 21:30)

went to a catholic boarding school; had to read the bible, cover to cover, in latin.

prope est aestas: "summer is nigh." the signs of the apocalypse

also, my gamertag

>>3752464

I vaguely understood it but didn't want to foot-in-mouth myself.

But I agree, summer is nigh.

ubright

>>3752464
Oh, you got brainwashed early. That's the best to to get em.

>>3752471

what are your favorite verses?

>>3752471

Also my gamertag is Dowjin in fact I've used Dowjin for pretty much everything so the name may crop up in places since before I went full throttle christian.

>>3752475

brainwashed? you think anyone who was made to read the bible from cover to cover in a dead language has any religious conviction afterward? on top of this, why would even assume that without asking me anything about my beliefs?

jesus christ you are dumb as a goddamn doornail. you are no better than a fundamentalist--and don't ever pretend otherwise.

fuck i hate this board and its index of total morons

>>3752482
why don't you close the tab then?

>>3752475

also, i don't know what "best to to get em" means. do you want to say "best time to get them" ?

maybe next time read your shit before posting, stupid hick.

>>3752482
>you think anyone who was made to read the bible from cover to cover in a dead language has any religious conviction afterward?

not anyone, just within your context

>you are no better than a fundamentalist

you think we are equals yay!

>fuck i hate this board and its index of total morons

I guess your fantastical readings didn't prepare you for the real world.

>>3752487
You are the kind of person I want to know more about!

>>3752486

because i'm a total narcissist who gets off on the stupidity witnessed in others.

but you already knew that.

>>3752476

1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
James 1:5
Matthew 7:7-8

>Followed by:

Luke 22:19-20
John 6:53-54

>>3752490
Arrogance is the only ugly attribute religionists can't seem to shake off.

It's a shame because Catholicism espouses beauty in life as a value. I actually think that's rather shallow.

>>3752490

I'm more of a /tg/ guy, I too find it difficult not to feed the trolls.

>>3752502
How Satanic.

>>3752479
A religionist who plays fantasy video games.

Now that is stereotypical.

>>3752494

thank you for sharing. now that you've listed your personal favorites, what would you consider to be the most peotical fragments of the bible?


>>3752525

it's already clear from this thread alone that he is infinitely more interesting than you will ever be. you ought to be jealous, and if you aren't, then you ought to be ashamed.

>>3752550
>he is infinitely more interesting than you will ever be

see>>3752495

>you ought to be jealous, and if you aren't, then you ought to be ashamed.

I won't rate my life next to his; sorry but your condemnation is mute.

>>3752561

see

>>3752495

>I won't rate my life next to his; sorry but your condemnation is mute.

arrogance met with greater arrogance is like throwing kerosene on a fire you're desperately trying to put out.

>>3751795
I tried to read the bible, and I too think that it's a good book, I'm not a believer but I too enjoy how it's written and the stories told. Just too long for me, maybe some day I'll read it all. But I need help in something: what do the numbers in the bottom mean? in the bottom there are like abreviattions with numbers like this:

Cor 12,45; Ecl 3,20s; 12,7; Sal 104, 29s; Job 34,14s

this is in the 10th page, what the fuck does all that mean??

>>3752568
You're the one trying to put out the fire of Satan that you read about in your stupid book.

It's just a book.

>>3752571

what the hell are you talking about? i'm not religious at all--he certainly is, but i'm not.

fuck, pay attention who you are responding to. you sound like a moron.

>>3752577
Sawwy.

>>3752569

dude cmon that's ridiculously simple. it's chapter and verse number; so cor. 12:45 is corinthians chapter 12, vere 45. given the fact that it's the most studied book in western history, its a way to divvy up the text into easily indexed sections--you can list certain verses and look them up exceedingly easily.

>>3752577
>fuck, pay attention who you are responding to.

lel

>wat is an anonymous board

let's see:

1. it's not personal

2. tripfags are an exception

3. non-tripfags who act like a tripfag are to be laughed at

Honest question, how do you deal with the many contradictions of the Bible?

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html Is a solid list but there's a nice picture with a around two hundred.

Not even trying to be edgy but I am puzzled by how people claim to believe in something which varies in what it tells you to believe so much.

>>3752606
You have to see the forest, not just the trees.

~Satan

>>3752587

...and i have a trip. i fall into category 2 (the exception) and am pretty easy to trace through the thread; he doesn't pay any attention to what i've said before, sounds like a dumbass confusing me with others, and then i rebuke him. are you just making general stupid statements?

seriously man, it's time to take your meds.

>>3752606
>http://skepticsannotatedbible.com

dis nigga srs rite now?

>>3752550

Hmm that's an interesting question I never read it for the value of poetry.

I suppose Chapter 1 of Genesis would be the most poetical for me, as we believe its a constant train of metaphors and prophecies, not literal "derp 6 days and the earth is done, I have no idea what fossil layers are"

So when it talks about the waters its telling a story about people, and when its talking about the light of day its talking about the story of how God's spiritual revelation came to mankind, so many profound meanings for a 6,000 year plan condensed into one tiny chapter, very impressive to me, and i guess the word is "pretty" or "beautiful" to read.

>>3752569

I've started my first cover-to-cover read of it and I'm in exodus chapter 7 now. It is a rather intimidating amount to read, and the "fun" parts of the stories are in between tediously long ramblings. Though we value those too for historical or prophetical points.

I'm pretty sure your seeing references to "Book","Chapter","Verse" which help you navigate quickly to what you want to read.

Or footnotes about verses related to a notation made by the publisher.

>>3752571

>I have never looked at a globe
>I don't know ancient history
>I don't think what someone 600bc wrote is important, even if it has been coming true across 1000 years after his death.

Some people see this and think it is more than just a book. Indeed I know it, and believe it.

>>3752613
The point, if you saw the forest instead of the trees, is that you're an idiot if you're getting mad for taking me seriously, .i.e., it's all your fault.

>>3752615
I couldn't find the image I was talking about, do you dislike the KJV or something?

>>3752584
Ok I get the things at the bottom, but now I have another questio. There's the name of the book/chapter/whatever in the middle top of every page, but with numbers that look random to me.
It goes like this
First page - Genesis 1,1-2,5
Second page - Genesis 2,6-3,14
Third page - Genesis 3,15-4,23
Fourth page - 4,24-6,7
Fifth page - 6,8-7,22

What do the numbers mean? I don't get it.

>>3752616
>it is more than just a book. Indeed I know it, and believe it.

Well, then this thread is about religion and not just literature. Brainwashed

In other words, it's slightly more popular than a Game of Thrones thread. or is it?

>>3752606

Short answer: God did not contradict himself anywhere, the problem lies with incorrect human interpretations. Seeing metaphors where God did not express any, and missing metaphors where God gave clues he was talking about something else.

Long answer: Reading your link then will reply further.

>>3752626
Do you think the writers who were a conduit for God had a nasty hangover the next morning?

>>3752624
shit, I'm retarded, they're not random at all, but what are they counting?

>>3752635
They count from 1-10, just because.

>>3752635
ok I see it now, i just needed to read it from my post to see that the numbers are not random and they're counting the first-last citation of the page.


btw this thread is dildos

>>3752647
it snot

>>3752647
>this thread is dildos

religious people: 0

Satan: 1

>>3752626

That is a long list, and it would take me more than just right now to go through it all.

But I'm beginning to see where people are getting confused.

1. Assume you are a God-Fearing man. If the Lord gives a commandment, what is the only condition for not following it? The answer is, if God changes, replaces, or deletes the commandment by name; as it pleases him. Thus, later iterations of similar commands of the same name follow the most recent iteration. In example, if your father said "The Great Lawn Mowing" was on Monday, with one tractor on the front yard, and your blessing was 20 bucks. Then if later he says for that same 20 bucks, now "The Great Lawn Mowing" will be on Monday all day until the after-noon and use two tractors for both the front and back yards; then you do whatever your Father tells you to do. A prophet who says "The Lord Speaks:" is also words directly from god, for no scripture came about through the prophets own interpretation.

Such controversies are the reason why the Jews starting getting everything wrong, they stopped listening to God, as it is written clearly in the bible he's pissed at them and is even going to destroy Jerusalem because of it.

2. Genealogy rarely, if ever, mentions women. It also sometimes leaves out illegitimate births, servants, and all kinds of things. So actually a lot more people were around and they were all getting it on more often than you think, and many and often times anyone at least one step away from your bloodline "laterally" was fair game to bang also.

>cont...

>>3752660

3. Hyperbole. When God says "all" and "Everything". Very often there are exceptions, sometimes huge exceptions, to what is going on, and later it is explained that "all" or "everyone" or "everything" were used in the prefix of a prophecy as in "the entire world will be destroyed like in the days of Noah". The point is to teach us that the entire world will be destroyed, but to Noah, it was only the "known world", or his relative space in it. Which included ALL of the people of God, so as far as the people of God were concerned, their world did end.

For example. As soon as Noah got off the boat, with what, 8-16 people? All of them separated into different languages and went to go to other nations. Also Egypt still existed, along with Pharoah and all his men, they were not wiped out by the flood. Also Abraham had an extra 300 servants (or more) did they just magically appear? No. The story of the Flood contains two stories. First is the literal story, there was a flood indeed. Second is exaggerating how the "entire world" was underwater, in buildup for the prophecy "never again will I destroy mankind using a flood" into new covenenat "like in the days of noah there was the flood" and now literally it is the entire earth and all its people.

4. The bible repeats itself in different ways to get the point across: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/caiaphas.html

In example, all of those people are actually in the same room or on the way to the same place, they didn't go to different places.

Since religionists always shitpost up these threads, here is a link to academic lectures on the Old Testament as a work of literature.

http://www.academicearth.org/courses/introduction-to-the-old-testament-hebrew-bible

>>3752673

5. Time and years. These are -extremely- subjective. There are the years according to the Holy Calendar, there are the years according to the calendars of different nations. And then there are the years of Kings. In example; the 7th year of King Hezekiah.

Often times very little warning is given between switching the mode of "measuring" times, and the writer assumes that you know what he's talking about when he says "in the tenth year" and then nothing else, even if kings or the subject matter has changed.

>>3752691

This becomes even worse when time spans are skipped entirely using phrases such as "and then it came to pass that this and that happened" giving you absolutely no clue how long events were in-between.

As it happens, the "confusing" sections of time aren't connected to any teachings about salvation.

>>3752678

Thank you.

Wife wants the computer, so good night lads.

This thread is like a fucking AA meeting.

Shaddup.