/lit/ - Literature

>>3670653
2/5

>>3670654
3/5

>>3670660
4/5

>>3670661
and 5/5
have at it /lit/

This is mine. It used to belong to my brother.

RIP bro.

Here's mine. I have about 12,000 books in my collection.

>>3670671

Whoa! Your penis must be 29 inches, right?

>>3670672
wut

>>3670671
I love my kindle, but I love even more the books that were given to me as gifts by people who aren't around anymore.

I have only 30 books left. Feels good mane.

>>3670684
>mfw I throw books gifted by deceased loved ones in the trash

>>3670701
my grandfather was an english professor, so I loved going to the local "book dump" in his town and picking out a bunch of books each time. he always brought back so many though that my grandmother made a rule that he had to drop one off for every book he picked up. Then after we got back to their house he would always find the time to write a short note in each book i hat picked out. He was a cool cat

>>3670701
You depress me.

I'll post part of my collection of Continental Philosophy.

>>3670752
>Continental Philosophy.

>>3670754

>implying you could understand either continental or analytic philosophy...

>>3670761
Why would I waste my limited time with dogmatic continental scepticism? What possible use is it to me? I'm part of the glorious STEM master race

>>3670747
>borrow a book from a friend
>he hangs himself before I get the chance to return it
>into le trash it goes

#doglife #ascetic

>>3670754
Someone ate noodles.

>>3670769

when consciousness can be causally decomposed get back to me in the meantime I'll relying on phenomenology and hermeneutics to study the world or immediate experience.

I have a masters in a stem field and am working on a PhD in the philosophy of science. I do not reject continental thought. Nobody does but children who have fallen for scientism.

>>3670783
>when consciousness can be causally decomposed
Neurology is still an infant field. Things like astrocytes having the ability to forming new synapses in grey matter, and how to stimulate the grown of myelinated axons, are being discovered all the time. We should have a fully-functional model, along with a simulation of consciousness, within 20 years though.

>I have a masters in a stem field
What's your field.

>>3670666
haha didn't even notice the cord from my reading lamp. oh well
also, forgot these since they weren't on the shelf

>>3670800

Evolutionary biology

If you think that neuroscience (not neurology lol) is on the right track... I've got news for you

(http://rintintin.colorado.edu/~vancecd/phil1000/Nagel.pdf))

>>3670778

and didn't bother to chew them...

>>3670747
http://bookinscriptions.com/books/

Enjoy!

>>3670769
>waste my limited time
gaghahahah
>what possible use
disgusting utilitarian
>STEM
>glorious, and not a full-blown dogmatist of contemporary scientism
pick one

enjoy your blind consumption and fetishisation of facts.

>>3670821
In your own words, without posting pdfs from the 70's, why is it not on the right track?

Do you think we cant perfectly recreate oligodendrocytes, or that apical dendrites cant be stimulated by a digital source?

I mean, the world has progressed a lot since the 70s; we have intercepted afferent stimulation of nerves, we have implanted 500px PICs into retinal amacrine cells with full compatibility. The way we look at consciousness, and the structure of the brain has changed. The fact that we can effectively outsource cognition by attaching external components to both the CNS, and to places like Brocca's area and the temporal lobe, means that consciousness is compatible, and has existed within an artificial source.

The only contention is from sceptics saying, 'oh we can never really know reality', and 'the map is not the territory'. This kind of thinking is absolutely useless to someone creating a fully functioning artificial lobe.

>>3670856

He probably doesn't understand that truths of fact have less veridical content than truths of reason...

>>3670860

Because it is a category confusion to even think that mental phenomena can be empirically observed.

Read the fuckin pdf. The decade it was written in does not matter.

>>3670860
>means that
it has nothing to do with consciousness; "compatible" and "artificial source"? what are you talking about?

read this
Aping Mankind: Neuromania, Darwinitis and the Misrepresentation of Humanity by Raymond Tallis

>>3670860

Google Scholar query of "outsourcing cognition" yields 3 results not on topic.

Google query of "outsourcing cognition" yields page after page of pop-sci trash.

Blind scientism of anon confirmed

>>3670879
>Because it is a category confusion to even think that mental phenomena can be empirically observed.
It's a category mistake to think that we cant. There is no dualism, there is no difference between mind and matter. 'Mental phenomena' are already empirically observed. I don't understand why you are getting so confused.

>>3670879
>mental phenomena can be empirically observed.
wut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsjDnYxJ0bo

>>3670911
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsjDnYxJ0bo
nice strawman

>>3670902
>There is no dualism, there is no difference between mind and matter.
>le burden of proof face.jpeg

>'Mental phenomena' are already empirically observed.
are you mentally challenged?

re-read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_mind

>>3670902

Emergentism or substance monism/property dualism is a well supported ontological standpoint

substance and property monism was decimated by Ryles and Nagel.

You are not using the words mental phenomena correctly. I'm talking about qualia you fuck.

Frankly, you so so undereducated that there is no reason to continue this exchange.

If you want to be in the thread post your bookshelf. Bet it's full for sci-fi and grrm.

>>3670891
>what are you talking about?
I tried to simplify it, but unless you have an understanding of how the mind and brain work, it's pretty hard to describe...

Image an artery in your arm. Now imagine replacing a small segment of that artery with a tiny tube. Now imagine that analogy applied to neurological function.

>>3670924
How is that a strawman? He gave you a video of mental phenomena being empirically observed.

>>3670937
>an understanding of how the mind and brain work

>>3670937

we are talking about qualia not signal-transduction.

I don't think you know what consciousness is

>>3670945
it's pretty obvious we're talking about qualia. it's a strawman if you're not a fucking autistic piece of shit.

>>3670947
>we are talking about qualia
I'm discussing the compatibility of glial (both astocyte and oligo) and cortical pyramidal cells -- i also referenced an instance of amacrines -- with artificial systems.

I'm trying to show someone how his mind-body problem of last century is being approached right now in labs. But it's quite hard to do with so many hostile philosophy students jumping in.

>>3670974
>But it's quite hard to do with so many hostile philosophy students jumping in.
This is exactly what I'm talking about (>>3670956) this senseless aggression.

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>>3672098
Who the hell is this guy and why is he turned into a forced meme?

>>3672098
i can't escape this fucking picture, it follows me to every board

>>3670752
Bitchin' shelf, niqqa.

>>3672323
only second most irritating lobertarian to show up this side of western television networks

>>3670752
If you've read all these, good job. Serious respect. If you've taken your time, I imagine you're a pretty intelligent person.

If you've begun and intend to read all these. Good job. Solid collection.

If you're just buying books and don't actually intend to read all these: Fuck you. Give those to me.

>>3672323
>>3672347

the only oc we get these days comes from /pol/ it seems.

>>3670752

respect

>>3670667

that's my collection, fucker.

>>3674084
I like you better as Ezra, though Rupture is better than Bullkowski.

>>3674089

what?

>>3670752

although i have to say, for his translating acumen, i thought kaufmann's treatment of nietzsche in his "Nietzsche" was a bit subpar--did you like it?

Bragging about a bookshelf makes about as much sense as trying to make me jealous over a shoebox full of floppy disks.

>>3670667

just cleaned up, so ima repost. for those of you who participated the other night: y'all are sports, and i like you.

>>3674337

2/?

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5/?

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6/?

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>>3674364
hnnnggg
what do you do for a living?

>>3674368

7/?

>>3674375

8/?

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>>3674350
etc.

Tripfag 'rapture'? You are the guy who once posted his books in a long thread some time ago, including a Bentley in your garage. Why did you make up the story about your brother, you liar? Is it the attention you get from anons complimenting your amount of books, narcissism?

So many books, yet only a fraction of them are available as ebooks.
Suffering.

>>3674378

9/?

>>3674370

i worked for google for a year after college, and am now in grad school for a joint PhD/JD (i'm 23 pushing 24, so i haven't settled for a single profession quite yet).

what do you do?

>>3674405
>i worked for google for a year after college
Doing what?

>>3674405

10/?

>>3670947
>I don't think you know what consciousness is

Do you?

>>3674409
Where'd you go to college and how did you do in highschool? Fuck, I wish I could work for Google.

>>3674405
worked for google doing what exactly?
how are you 23? what the fuck. did you start reading whilst in uterus? or do you share your impressive book collections with your dad or something?

>>3674409

11/?

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>>3674409
>has a big faggy book collection (just go to the library dipshit)
>only reads in english
>uncracked spines everywhere
oh god, you're so fucking lame. I can't believe you're actually working on a postgraduate degree

>>3674418

12/?

>>3674407

worked between alan eustace and ken walker essentially helping legal deal with app management. you'd be surprised the kind-of liabilities in just hosting certain apps, let alone legal parameters in developing them.

>>3674414

didn't do well in highschool, as i skipped most of the time and did my own reading instead. got into an ivy league cause i crushed the SAT/ my dad knew some peeps. actually liked college, so i graduated summa.

work hard, man--it's worth it in the end.

>>3674430

13/?

>>3674419

cool story--cause one isn't allowed to keep books in a nice condition, right? how bout you ask me about them?

>>3674442

14/?

art museum/ the invisible universe are two of the most impressive books i own. get high and look at invisible universe: it will literally blow your mind.

>>3674447
Do you have a girlfriend?

>>3674451
>Not having books as you girlfriend

>>3674452
I was going to try to offer myself up, if he wasn't taken.

>>3674447

15/?

>>3674451

i don't see how it matters either way, but yeah i do.

>>3674459

16/?

>>3674459
Well damn.

Is there a reason you don't seem to read much Eastern lit?

>>3674462
What are your favorite philosophers?

>>3674442
what do you think of murray bookchin?

>>3674466

man, tough question: these are the thinkers that have had most impact on my thought, at one time or another:

heraclitus, parmenides, socrates, aeshylus, cicero, tacitus, augustine, shakespeare, blake, machiavelli, rousseau, burke, tocqueville, nietzsche, bergson, james, pessoa, woolf, berlin, oakeshott, paz, polyani, wittgenstein, lewis, williams, popper, quine, foucault, rawls, cavell, bourdieu.

pick literally anything in there and i really don't think you can go wrong.

>>3670671

But can you realistically read 12k+ books?

>>3674472

i'd include eliot and wallace stevens, too. (i consider poets philosophers, and the best philosophers poets). there's a reason i think the best part's of william james are when he drops the dry analytic style and describes his pluralistic notion radical empircism in poetic terms; wittgenstein said at some point (i think culture and value) that if he were any better a philosopher, he would be a poet. anyone who's read anything deeply knows that these categories that separate literature from phil, politics from literature, etc are just bullshit, and hamper ingenuity rather than engender it.

>>3674465
i've read the i ching, tao te ching, hua hu ching, confucius, a lot of chinese poetry, some japenese dramatic works, tale of genji, etc, some buddhist classics, and some classics from india; it's really nothing against eastern traditions (the philosophy i find very attractive, a strong nondualistic "out" from the endless debates over monism/pluarlism that underlie much of western philosophy. plus, i know schopenhauer was deeply impacted, so there's reason alone.

i just have collected as widely in that field; having been born in america and raised through the american school system, i've generally had enough western philosophy to deal with. of course, i hope to remedy that eventually.

>>3674472
>>3674477
It looks like you have the entire western philosophy covered. How did you approach philosophy at the very beginning -- did you start chronologically, covering the Greeks first, or randomly? How young were you when you showed your interest in philosophy? How hard was the process, and was it worth going through all of those books?
Any particular reasons why you left out Plato, Aristotle, Spinoza, Leibniz, Kant and Schopenhauer?

>>3674507

i approached it at first through the classics. i was born in the american south, and my mom--who is awesome, don't me wrong--is a christian fundamentalist. from like 6-7 on i thought it was bullshit, and i guess since like 13-14 on i stopped my stupid athetistic militancy and sought to just find different answers myself. of course i didn't understand anything properly then, so i've returned to most of what i had originally read any number of times since; but originally i tried to find sources that could guide me, so i stumbled upon russell's history of western philosophy and started reading in conjunction with his chronological trajectory.

i gotta tell you, i see the "greatest" colleges today offer an education of anthologies and excerpts, torn from its historical trajectory, and i think it's an utter shame. i think it is difficult to proceed exclusively thematically, and if you're really serious about learning it--and particularly in the threads of influence that tie one author to another--then i highly endorse the chronological route. it's long, and certainly pretty dry and boring at times (le moyen age, hagiographies, charles dickens, etc) and full of shit (lacan), but it gives you the proper perspective to tease out the hidden dialogues and conversations that animate a text.

>>3670811

the asimov one is sweet. just a downright pretty book.

>>3674521
Cool, man
Thanks for sharing

>>3674541

fo sho. what are you interested in? i'd like to get a conversation going if possible.

rapture top ten-ish poems of all time and novels post 1900

So the anon who created the story of his dead finally show his true face. And the anon who said you are a liar was called a edgy faggot by almost everyone in that thread. There was even ban that day. Poor anon.

>>3674594
>Dead brother

>>3674553
More or less in the same stuff. I was foolish enough to waste all of my teenage years unproductively; reading was alien to me. Only a half a year ago I got into philosophy, which I've started to care for a great deal; It is also an ongoing challenge, as English isn't my first language and the fact, that the majority of philosophy books aren't available here. The language itself is not suitable for philosophy, I think; English flows much more smoothly.

>>3674569

any list i build is highly idiosyncratic, so i don't feign to assume that my list is by any means an objective standard of the world's top 10 poets. with that said, and in no particular order:

1. the waves--virginia woolf (she herself called this a "playpoem")
2. the lovesong of j alfred prufrock--t. s. eliot
3. paradise lost--john milton
3.5. copa--virgil
4. the inferno--dante
5. marriage of heaven and hell--william blake
5.5. to the moon--percy shelley
6. poem in october--dyland thomas
7. ulysses--alfred lord tennyson
8. thirteen ways of looking at a blackbird--wallace stevens
8.5. sonnet IV--mahmoud darwish
9. a throw of the dice--stephane mallarme
10. the second coming-- w b yeats
11. anything by holderlin, paz, rilke or celan. also, rimbaud's season in hell. and pessoa's notebooks (book of disquiet). proust is nearly poetry, so proust, too.

fuck your 10-poem max.

sappho, parmenides and heraclitus if you want to really be technical.

i would say leaves of grass for its spirit, and certain parts stand out as hallmarks of human letters; though a lot of it becomes redundant i feel. like, i get it: america is movement, promise and energy, etc.

king lear/tempest

>>3674665

your list put The Cramps song "you have good taste" in my head.

>>3674665
>>3674569

i'm adding:

endgame--samuel beckett
more light, more light--anthony hecht
the conqueror worm--edgar poe

>>3674676

thanks. i take it we share tastes?

it's funny how saying someone has good taste is synonymous with declaring your own taste

>>3674678
no dickinson or shakespeare sonnets? no hart crane?

>>3674683

don't get me wrong: i love the sonnetts, and i love hart crane (repose of rivers deserves to be on there), and i love dickinson (i dweel in possibility also should be there), though i already went way over his 10 poem max.

i mean, i'm sure one could go on for quite some time listing poems of great personal and lasting worth. what are your selections?

>>3674680

Yes. Haven't read Virgil or The Waves yet (I loved Orlando), but many of those are favourites of mine. Thirteen ways, Paradise Lost, and Marriage of Heaven and Hell especially.

What do you think of Apollinaire?

>>3674693
shakespeares 15th sonnet in particular, "the snow man"by wallace stevens, aubade by philip larkin, eliot's preludes is best i think, dickinson's long famous sleep, love's secret by william blake

some of my favorites

fuck phillip larkin

>>3670661
>All that Calvin and Hobbes

Good man.

>>3674665
oh god! you read fucking TRANSLATED POETRY!!!!

you're the ultimate pseudo-intellectual!!

congratulations you fucking richboy faggot!

Pic related

>>3674698

if you enjoyed orlando, go get mrs. dalloway, to the lighthouse and the waves fucking tomorrow. i'm telling you, man, they are some of the most incredible works i've ever read: the waves a notch above dalloway and lighthouse, so save that for last. you won't regret waves: it's a genuine experience unlike anything else i've read.

i really like apollinaire. i've spent some time in france, and encountered him alongside baudelaire--both are great. for apo, i really like always, song of the horizon in champagne, memories, etc. for some reason his style at points reminds me of charles olson's maximus poems (i happened to be in gloucester at the time of reading it, which was awesome). have you checked out william carlos williams william carlos williams' the world contracted to a recognizable image, or ted barrigan's memorial day? i'm not sure why, but all are lumped together in the same network of family relations in my mind/memory

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>>3674703

i haven't read philip larkin. good or bad? worth it?

>>3674710
yepyep
likei'mgoingtotakeyouseriously

>>3674715
>i haven't read philip larkin. good or bad? worth it?

Talented poet. Probably worth reading because his collected body of work is pretty short and he was technically pretty accomplished. My problem with him is with his emotional poses and the way that he frames his poems emotionally. His emotional register is nearly always dealing with sadness, loneliness, alienation, and at a certain point, it just seems false to me, like a pose. He has a way of writing low-key, subtle poems about sadness and alienation, but past a certain point, I almost feel like his low-keyness loops around and becomes a kind of melodrama. It's hard to explain. I can't get it across. I'm tired. Sorry.

>>3674727

no, i understand this entirely. this is how i feel after reading a great deal of raymond carver: i find the tone and images his conjures weirdly romantic, but it borders on the unrealistic at points. i understand the desire to concentrate on hopelessness, loneliness, loss, etc, especially given their perennial status in our lives, but, man, it gets monotone after a while.

have you ever seen that fucking show girls? after 2 years at my first undergrad i transferred and lived in NYC, and i swear to god it was nowhere near as fucking sour, lonely and awkward as that dumbass lena dunham makes it out to be. god i hate her, and i fucking hate joel kline even more for calling her last year's "coolest person." fuck that shit. also, she needs to hit the treadmill like none other.

>>3674707
haha thanks. all those sideways books where you can't see the titles next to them are C&H as well, but they're too long for the shelf. that shit still cracks me up no matter how many times I read them

>>3674707
agreed, mine looks the same

no more discussion? certainly someone has got to have a book they want to discuss...

>>3674947
you're pathetic
what did you think of bookchin? or haven't you read it? what is it you like about rimbaud's language, or have you only read an english approximation?

>>3674958

what? in what modal world would i answer you after you begin with "you're pathetic"? the dumbass one?

>>3674713

"The World Contracted to a Recognizable Image" is a great poem. I look at it like Derrida's "The Truth in Painting" in a much more concise and beautiful form. Plus that would be a great title for Pound's poem "In the Metro" too. My favourite Apollinaire is Zone. Haven't read any Barrigan.

>>3670811
bump just in case

>>3675016
th-thanks? this is like the slowest board on 4chan though so I don't think it's going anywhere for a few days

>>3674343
>women's studies

>>3675023

it was to impress a chick.

it worked.

>>3674430

Ha I knew I wasn't the only one on here who reads Coetzee, I have that collection too. Have you read any of his novels?

>>3674738
>no, i understand this entirely. this is how i feel after reading a great deal of raymond carver: i find the tone and images his conjures weirdly romantic, but it borders on the unrealistic at points. i understand the desire to concentrate on hopelessness, loneliness, loss, etc, especially given their perennial status in our lives, but, man, it gets monotone after a while.

Gahhhh that's not it, though. I mean, that's true, but it's not exactly what I mean. There's a very specific thing that I mean but I can't get it across. There's a specific way of portraying emotion and portraying our relationship to our emotions that Larkin does where he completely undercuts positive emotions - it's not just that he's writing about loss and sadness, it's that he's also writing negatively about love and intimacy - but he's SO negative about it, so grouchy and over the top, that it becomes this kind of false, over-the-top, melodramatic thing. One feels that he's writing entirely for effect - that the restrained silence and low-key subtle rejection of positive emotion is so posed and constructed that it's a bombastic silence.

It's the equivalent, in terms of emotional states, of one of his favorite poetic techniques - the way that he has of using the last line of a poem to call into question the whole conclusion of it, of rejecting the certainty of the poem with a pat conclusion - the best example of this is in "Reasons For Attendance" - "Therefor I stay outside / Believing this, and they maul to and fro / Believing that; and both are satisfied / If no one has misjudged himself. Or lied." I mean, it's clever, but I feel like that kind of rejection of catharsis or certainty or settlement in poetry eventually becomes ultimately really artificial and almost forced, for the sake of effect rather than out of anything else.

>>3675051
Eh, that's probably alright then. I just feel like "special studies" for women or minority groups is useless, other than a geographical study of history or an anthropological study of a race.

My bookshelf rocks.

>>3675164
you sexist bigoted whore, go die

>>3675181

>calling me sexist while also calling me a whore

dude what?

>>3675138

i see better now what you mean


>>3675164

for the most part, i agree

OP how many books are there and how many have you read?

>>3675300
just did a quick count. 103 books, not including the Calvin and Hobbes or the spanish dictionaries. I've read all of them, except for the two Zac Bissonette books in the bottom right corner. I started those, but I didn't find his advice particularly revelatory. I wouldn't have bought them for myself

>>3675795
nd once again I forgot my copies of the Foundation Trilogy and Poe's collected works. I'm reading the Foundation books for the second time. A lot of Poe's stories I've read before, but much of his poetry is new to me.

>>3675011

zone is masterful--sprawling in the same way i think ofa couple ferlinghetti's in coney island of the mind. pound is excellent, too: i forgot who--maybe w c williams--but someone said his cantos "speak history". i really loved that; i have to admit i don't apprecite the aesthetic rhythms of the cantos at every juncture, by i appreciate the project and its philosophical import.

what kind of philosophy are you into if that's the kind-of poetry you enjoy? do you read literature as well as poetry?

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Hello, soon-to-be-Dr. Rapture. It is always comforting to witness the Library of a fellow Intellectual.

>>3675795
>Zac Bissonette

Ya, my grandparents gave me a book by him for my birthday. He basically rehashes everything dave ramsey says except he swears every once in a while to seem hip.

Quite a useless book IMO.

>>3677468

I'm pretty eclectic with my philosophy. Of the Greeks, I like Aristotle most. I dig what little I know about Pascal. The Germans: Nietzsche, Hegel, Marx and the Frankfurt school. I think Vico is probably the most underrated philosopher.

One of these days I'm going to dig into Averroes and Avicenna.

>>3677523
agreed. my mom saw that he was young though and thought "well then he must be cool and smart!"

>>3677511

sup?

are you getting a phd as well? in which discipline?

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>>3674368

Extremely few of these books seem to be read.

Have you ever considered actually reading the books before you buy new ones?

>>3678189

And please, please don't give me this shit about keeping your books in "nice order." That is utter buillshit. Certain books, especially large ones, cannot be read without the spines cracking at some point.

A nice collection, to be sure, but it'd do you good to actually read some of it.

>>3674472
i would be interested to hear you talk about bourdieu's generally. also his influences, those he has influenced.

and also interested in your thoughts on the popular french Nietzschean philosopher michel onfray - not sure if he has been translated into english though.

>>3678192

he also says he's a ph.d student, so it's hardly likely that he's had time to read much of it. i'm doing a master's degree and i barely have time to squeeze in 30, 40 books a year.

>>3678204
bourdieu's thought*/perspective

>>3678192
If you read any of his responses, you can tell he's at least read a good portion of them.

>>3678322
The fact that he is au courant enough with literature and philosophy and so forth to assemble this type of collection is a testament to good taste. And the fact that he hasn't read even a third of these books is a testament to good sense and good health. Unfortunately good sense and good health rarely excite much admiration among critics.

>>3678204

bourdieu's perspective generally is still pretty broad: are we talking his notion of habitus, his view on language, his focus on the failibity of ritual, the role of doxa/doxic parameters as naturalized limits, what?

influences obviously range from kant (distinction) to marx, levi-strauss, weber, durkheim, foucault, etc.--anyone in particular you had in mind?

i find bourdieu's weaving of linguistic theory into what essentially amounts to a psychosocial mapping of power pretty attractive, if not exceedingly dense at points and more than a little difficult to nail down. i think his style is hopelessly ironic, defeating--or i guess fulfilling--exactly what he says about the exclusivity/power of academic jargon qua heidegger in "language and symbolic power." for instance, for someone who uses the word habitus since the beginning, he doesn't define the term until p. 73 of outline to a theory of practice. wtf is that shit?

main point: love bourdieu's ideas (to the extent that i have understood them correctly, which i guess you'll be the judge), though think his style is dense in a rather wrong and self-defeating manner. but, sure, i'd love to talk: what interests YOU about bourdieu?

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>>3678346

i'm working on it. you both seem like fine eyes on the matter, and are both correct.

>>3678205

depending on the field you're in, 30-40 books a year is a joke, man--at least for graduate education.

go to oxford to get a PhD in english and they say explicitly that you should be prepared to read 200-250 books a year.

>>3679510
>read 200-250 books a year.
what's the point if you can't synthesize and memorize all of it?
what if you had to read 200 books a year in the difficulty of kant's critique? how does that work?

>>3679527

well, then don't go to oxford.

i've met some students from that program, and some certainly do retain it all and can speak freely about it. i suppose that is what separates oxford/great schools from mediocrity.

obviously stuff like kant's critique should take a while. a know of one professor-led reading group at stanford who went paragraph by paragraph through kant's critique of pure reason every week, and it took them nearly 5 years.

the works i would put into that category are fairly few, though, and obviously constitute the upper echelon of difficulty in human letters. for your average book, even academic book, i think 200 a year is probably doable, especially if you are in a paid graduate program. like, it's literally my job to read at this point in my life: i get paid to know shit, and given the program i'm in, the competitive valence means that if i don't pick up that next work, some other fucker will and beat me on the job market.

i like the ante that's been established in high-end academia; i like getting up at 8 on weekdays and going to the library like it were an office, then reading for 8 hours, etc.

if you treat as your profession exclusively (which it is in grad school), then i feeel like you can get some pretty serious shit down and under your belt. cmon, let's be honest: laziness and weakness are the traits that hold us back the most, and we repeat the oft-quoted "i just don't have time" as a means for tautologically justifying said weakness.

my argument: 200-250 is doable for a disciplined, motivated and intelligent student; but most student's are not disciplined, motivated or that intelligent

>>3679565
Oxford students do not read 200+ books a year, the suggestion is absurd.

Posting from Oxford.

er, rapture.. aren't you posting some guys, or your own, dead brother's collection? this was a thread on /lit/ only a couple of days ago

>haven't read thread, so idk if this has come up

>>3679565
>a know of one professor-led reading group at stanford who went paragraph by paragraph through kant's critique of pure reason every week, and it took them nearly 5 years.
motherofgodthatisallgoodandpure.jpeg

>let's be honest: laziness and weakness are the traits that hold us back the most, and we repeat the oft-quoted "i just don't have time" as a means for tautologically justifying said weakness.
true true.

>>3679527
>what's the point if you can't synthesize and memorize all of it?
I would suspect that most people don't memorize entire books. It's like that scene in Good Will Hunting, you use the information and the ideas available in the book to elaborate your own ideas or your education.
I'm studying law, and not even I have to actually memorize all the books.

i sometimes get distracted when i read and i end up in my own world rather than the book i'm reading. i can "read" a lot, say 15-20 pages, before i realise i'm thinking about something in my own life or a random thought. sometimes the thoughts are influenced by the book, other times it's what i'm going to eat for dinner (for example). how do people read so much and keep so much in i don't know, but congrats!

>>3674521
>lacan
why not? i think he's a profound thinker. i suffer from anxiety, and he sheds a lot of light into areas that have helped me personally a lot. what do you see / take from him, and why don't you enjoy it?

>>3679581
False story created by Rapture.

>>3679620

henri bergson (creative evolution), william james (pluralistic universe), paul ricoeur (time and narrative) and william connoly (pluralism) all have really beautiful passages about this experience. connolly calls it "durational time," where our memories cascade over the present and engender a horizon of futurity.

i also take this to be fundamentally the flow of Woolf at her best, so i respect your daydreaming and would implore you to investigate and understand it more.

>>3679702
Not that guy, but my issue is less with his ideas (some of which I think are pretty interesting) and more to do with his explanation of his ideas (which is obfuscated, hypocritical, arrogant, and terrible).

>>3679728
>henri bergson (creative evolution), william james (pluralistic universe), paul ricoeur (time and narrative) and william connoly (pluralism) all have really beautiful passages about this experience. connolly calls it "durational time," where our memories cascade over the present and engender a horizon of futurity.

>i also take this to be fundamentally the flow of Woolf at her best, so i respect your daydreaming and would implore you to investigate and understand it more.

oh wow nice, i love woolf, and pessoa. two of my favourites from what i've read, anyway. saw that you noted him down too. i try and understand it, well, i try and understand most things. thanks for the encouragement, i sometimes see it as a lack of concentration but to know all about this is really interesting.. i don't know much else to say, apart from thanks. i'll check those books out :)

>>3679619
>to elaborate your own ideas
>your own
dude, cmon.

How did this thread turn into a pissing contest about how many books people have read? I cannot believe this faggotry

1/2

>>3679859
2/2

>>3679860
i was a bit eh at the 1st picture as i don't recognise anything, but digging the 2nd a bit more.

anything to recommend along the lines of frank o'hara and rmr? i recognise about 5% of your books.

>>3679875
Have you read The Dream Songs? If you like Rilke and O'Hara you might also like Berryman. Rilke comes into Dream Song 3 ("Rilke was a jerk.") and it has some O'Hara like qualities - broad and all-encompassing, yet personal and lyric. Also, heavy on imagery and symbolism like Rilke I suppose.

>>3679904
>The Dream Songs
i haven't, but i had listened to a few Berryman things on YouTube. "friends, life is boring", which i couldn't really agree with so i haven't since looked much of his stuff though. i'll definitely check it out though, thanks!

>>3679777
Yeah I realized it sounded idiotic, but I still think the point stands.

>>3679911
I think there might be a degree of irony in saying that, or at least it's only a temporary feeling if not - he says "literature bores me, especially great literature" so the fact that he writes it as a poem makes it seem a little tongue in cheek, I'd say. That's the way I read it at least. There's definitely a lot of humour in the book anyway.

>>3679859
You seem to be reading exactly the same literature in german as I have. Really cool that you have read Borchert. Draussen vor der Tür is just heart-braking

>>3680314
have been*

>>3679859
Schöne SciFi Sammlung hast du da. Wie lange lernst du schon Deutsch? Habe das Versprechen und Der Vorleser in der Schule gelesen. Hast du weitere Bücher die in Deutschland Pflichtlektüre sind? Bist du Amerikaner, wenn ja aus welchen Staat?

didn't check catalog like an idiot and made a new thread, deleted it, and here is my shelf.

>>3680380
Ich bin Englischer. Ich habe Deutsch mit ungefaehr 12 begonnen (aber nicht so intensiv). Ich werde es an der Uni lernen. In der Schule habe ich nur Die Verwandlung studiert (Deutschstunde sind hier ziemlich beschissen weil wir bis 17-18 nur Themen lernen die eine gute Moralitaet schaffen - Drogen, Alkohol, und Tabakgenuss, Umweltschutz, gesundes Essen usw - keine Kultur, in kurzem. Mit 17 koennen wir endlich etwas gutes lernen).

>>3680314
I haven't read much of the Borchert yet. I read a story in there called Stimmen Sind Da, In der Luft, in der Nacht which I really like. It's actually my dad's book. I'll have to read that part of it soon, thanks for the heads up!

>>3680457
If you are interested in it, at grammar school I also read the books
>Tauben Im Gras
Similiar to Joyce, stream of consciousness, very purple prose and more than 30 characters. Plays after world war too and captures the events and mood of the time (Zeitroman)
>Mario und der Zauberer
By Thomas Mann, about the grotesque stuff of life and the fact that free will does not exist. Influenced by Schopenhauer. I find Mann's detailed writing style quite tiring, but enjoyed the story.
>Iphigenie auf Tauris
Goethe's most influntial contribution to the movement of germ classicism. Female protagonist solves a crisis through the means of harmony and the Schöne Seele. Prime example of german classicism.
>Romulus der Große
Historically inaccurate retelling of the last days of Rome before the barbarians invaded. Written as a play. My favorite among all these

>>3680541
sorry for the mistakes I was writing this pretty late.

i always late for these threads...

>>3680541
>>3680550
Thanks for this! Tauben Im Gras sounds interesting. I read some Thomas Mann in English (his collected stories are on that shelf) and I kind of agree on the style part - I found Death In Venice kind of grandiose and stiff. Perhaps that's me being a philistine, I dunno.

>>3680565
That a lot of Borges. I had no idea he wrote that much.

>>3680380
>>3680457
Schweden hier. Wir haben eine schöne Mischung von Schriftstellern gelesen: Goethe, Schiller, Eichendorf, Storm, Hauptmann, Hauptmann, Mann (Heinrich), Hesse, Kafka, Kästner, Borchert, Schlink, Plenzdorf, Vanderbecke und Zoë Jenny. D.h. meistens modernen Autoren.

>>3680623
D.h. am Uni

>>3680584
yeah, and the guy diserved the nobel

>>3679855

that's capitalism, for you. It certainly doesn't discourage us from turning every aspect of our life into a pissing contest.

>>3679855
Did somebody say pissing contest?

>>3679855
>tfw people turn your pissing contest about how many books you own into a pissing contest about how many books you actually read

>>3680623
Eichendorff is one of my favorites. I adore german romanticism. Have you ever read Wenn nicht mehr Zahlen und Figuren? It is a beatiful poem about the breach from the mystical imaginations of romanticism into the harsh reality of industrialisation.