/lit/ - Literature

>>3669436
I wish I could cuddle Plath all night long

>>3669436
also the only two female writers you've read, right?

>>3669446
Well, I also enjoy Margaret Atwood. She still has time to kill herself.

I've read many, many female writers and they all suck. All following in men's traditions, imitating men. Woolf and Plath create the most female texts you will ever read. Just so, so feminine. Nothing compares. Well, I guess I like Dickinson a lot too, but that's just poetry.

I think Plath's poetry is very average.

Is her writing good?

>>3669462
>Atwood
stop.

clarice lispector, katherine mansfield, murasaki shikibu, okamoto kanoko, akiko yosano, flannery o’connor, george eliot, fumiko enchi, theresa hak kyung cha, jane bowles, margarita karapanou, sarah kane...

get your shit together

>>3669474
What's wrong with Atwood?

>>3669462
No Anais? Tsk tsk. Many faps.

>>3669462
>she still has time to kill herself

Oh god you just made me spit my drink out, you hilarious bastard.

>distinguishing female writers as seperate from male writers

I'm all for feminism, but come on. This is like how people make a big deal about how the President is black - it doesn't matter in the end, other than some perceived "WE MADE IT GIRLS" mentality.

I know if I wrote something I wouldn't want to be noticed simply because I'm a girl.

>>3669462
Flannery O'Connor's Violent Bear It Away
Fumiko Enchi's Waiting Years

Will disagree so much with you.

>>3669474
>all dem ching-chong names
do they even have females?

>>3669554
>>>/b/

Grow up.

>>3669474

>clarice lispector

This guy knows what's up.

>>3669541

Please learn about second wave feminism.

>>3669569
>Please learn about second wave feminism.
On second thought, I'd rather not. Thanks for your shitty suggestion, though.

>>3669629

What was your first thought?

>>3669462
>I've read many, many female writers and they all suck. All following in men's traditions, imitating men.

Do men who follow in the traditions of other men, without creating something new, also suck for this reason?

>>3669629

Then you should refrain from voicing opinions regarding women authors if you're not willing to engage with the movement that is probably responsible for you even knowing who they are.

>>3669685
>Do men who follow in the traditions of other men, without creating something new, also suck for this reason?
Are not them following what they are? Man.

>>3669782
My point is that I think you are holding women to a ridiculous standard to which you don't hold men. If a woman doesn't break free from the literary traditions men have created, apparently she sucks, but it's cool if men do the same thing, apparently.

>>3669787
I think your point isn't so complex it needs to be reiterated, but I think >3669782 was so shitty you couldn't get his rational:
men are not pretending to be something else when they write like men, but women are.

However, I don't agree with that idea. I think Virginia Woolf was different from anyone else to come before her.

>>3669809
>men are not pretending to be something else when they write like men, but women are.

So women who write are purporting to be breaking with all previously established literary traditions?

>>3669818
huh

How does one even write like a man? Do they type with their cocks? Stringing words together to form sentences isn't a uniquely male.

>>3669839
>How does one even write like a man

By not saying that you're a woman. The "default writer" is a man, so as long as you either say you are a man or keep your mouth shut you should be okay. Saying you are a woman is when the extra standards come in.

>>3669436

Follow their example, then: change sex and then kill yourself.

Unica Zurn and Anna Kavan
shit sounds good to say, they make sense together
say it out loud
Unica Zurn and Anna Kavan
Unica Zurn and Anna Kavan
All together now-

>>3669687
>you shouldn't talk about female authors if you don't want to be a part of the movement that made you aware of them
>you shouldn't talk about the milk if you don't want to work for the supermarket

come now, that's flawed thinking. if a book falls on my head and i read it, i can judge the author without needing to be a supporter of books being dropped on heads, especially if i don't like the book.

>>3669541
OP made the distinction. A lot of these authors pop up in other threads if you lurk enough.

>I know if I wrote something I wouldn't want to be noticed simply because I'm a girl.

yes, obviously, but someone is already making that distinction for you so why not accept the reality of difference? it doesn't preclude good art.

someone was hoeplessly in love with plath and i cant remember who it was, i think they make music and i know of them from /mu/, who is it?
i think im losing my memory...

>>3670525
also i should add, they never knew her, i think they just loved her through her poetry, i'm tempted to say it was Jeff Mangum but it wasn't

>>3670525
Please, curtains in, start us off
You swing first, sorry
I don't know what I said
But you're crying now again
And that only makes it worse

Let me do my job
Let me do my job

Sylvia, get your head out of the oven
Go back to screaming and cursing
Remind me again how everyone betrayed you
Sylvia, get your head out of the covers
Let me take your temperature
You can throw the thermometer right back at me
If that's what you want to do, okay?

Please, please calm down
Steady out, I'm terrified
Sorry, I want us to ally
But you swing on little knives
They're only sharp on one side

Let me do my job
Let me do my job

Sylvia, get your head out of the oven
Go back to screaming and cursing
Remind me again how everyone betrayed you
Sylvia, get your head out of the covers
Let me take your temperature
You can throw the thermometer right back at me
If that's what you want to do, okay?

Sylvia, can't you see what you are doing?
Can't you see I'm scared to speak
And I hate my voice because it only makes you angry

Sylvia, I only talk when you are sleeping
That's when I tell you everything
And I imagine that somehow you're going to hear me

>>3670560
<3 you bb
i knew it was /mu/ core

>>3669782
men and women aren't different in enough ways for that to be super relevant

Sometimes, sure. Anything chuck palanquinick or Hemmingway wrote is pretty manly and hard to relate to as a woman, but someone like Camus or Sophoclese or DFW doesn't write particularly gendered stuff

>>3670560
This poem turned out better than I expected. Not great, but I have a thing for earnestness.

>>3670580
its a song

>you'll never cuddle and discuss literature with Sylvia Plath

>>3669474
>lispector
Respect.

>>3669462
>>3669570
>>3670709

this is the first time I see people praising a brazilian writer here, it makes me happy to see that some of our great writers are known internationally (unless you're all also brazilian which would be hilariously disappointing)
but I'm curious, what do you guys like about Clarice Lispector's novels/short stories?

>>3669474
cntrl+ f 'mansfield'. my nigga

Gwenyth Paltrow in the movie Sylvia.. HNNGGG

>>3669570
>>3670709
>>3670852

sylvia plath is absolute shit.

it's all about dat stevie smith

>>3671147

>Ariel
>shit

Get some taste, you need it.

>>3669436
name op ?

>>3669462
You are sounding too much like a old school feminist theorist. Stop now before the French school of feminism tears your asshole open, American feminist scum.

>>3671147

Her poem, Mushrooms, is what convinced of the merits of poetry as a dismissive young man, with no interest in flowery and ornate word-arrangements for the sake of them. It seemed very cerebral compared to poetry I had encountered up until then, which admittedly wasn't much, but it's still probably one of my favorites.

Women have a uniquely adroit perspective on haunting as a form of mental illness.
I like Angela Carter, Kelly Link, and Shirley Jackson.
Everyone should read Link's "Stone Animals." Best story of estrangement since "The Yellow Wallpaper."