/lit/ - Literature

>find poets you like
>find poets they liked
>read on

>>3573377

Who did Eliot like?

>>3573409

ezra pound

>>3573422

What happens when the train stops at the first author? I can't into Pound.

>>3573423

I don't know, he probably liked other poets too.

Read his essays and criticisms and you'll easily find out?

>>3573423

That's because Pound is deliberately obscure and I think obtuse and annoying. When the train stops you can still look into what they liked. It's possible bad writers like good writers. Or you pick another writer at random and read their stuff.

Good starting poets are the Mersey Beat writers. Adrian Henri and Roger McGough are two of the most famous and enduring and worth starting with.

Bukowski is a good start and good in his own right.

The Beats usually get newcomers pretty excited. Allen Ginsberg, Gregory Corso and Jack Kerouac's poetry are good places to start (specifically Ginsberg).

Margaret Atwood's poetry is good, but stay away from Kate Llewellyn.

Who else? You might like Yeats. I find most of the modernist poets more effort than they're worth.

>>3573426

I'm not OP, and I've some poetry.

I don't like the beats or bukowski at all.

>>3573409
he liked the metaphysicals (john donne, george herbert, etc). but you should read them just because they are good.

he also liked french symbolist stuff.

>>3573377
true enough. the trouble i have is finding a given poet's anthology in ebook format - any ideas?

>>3573409
Influences:
Dante Alighieri, Matthew Arnold, William Shakespeare, Jules Laforgue, John Donne, T. E. Hulme, Ezra Pound, Charles Maurras, Charles Baudelaire

Notice something? TS. Eliot liked the greats. He understood poetry and strived to break the rules, by understanding what made them great and what made them bad.

Maybe you should try to understand metre, rhythme, stress and unstressed syllables, form and structure - before you go in the deep-end.

God, I don't know why people keep saying, just read and "you'll get it". No you wont. You'll only that you're getting it and come off as an absolute moron when you meet someone who actually know their shit.

>>3573470
>T. E. Hulme

lol making up names

uhhh yeah! and pynchon is influenced by J. W. Higglepiggle

>>3573472
>T. E. Hulme

What? What kind of drugs are you on really?

holy shit this board is slow

>>3573470

>Eliot liked the greats

So far I only like Eliot and the greats. Who else is good?

>>3573496
Russians modernists and revolutionaries were the best. Shame on the translations though.

I'd suggest that you read Alexander Pope, Tennyson, also there are loads of great WW1 poets, Wilfred Owen for one, then you have W.B. Yeats...

I'd suggest the Norton Anthology for you. The large tome, then Vol.1 on Contemporary.

Also: Hopefully you do know that poetry isn't good if it's not being read out loud. That's the entire point. If you're not doing that. Stop reading now. Learn the basics of poetry. Then go back.

>>3573506

I know very little about poetry but I've long since stopped reading in my head.

>>3573506

Poetry isn't good if it's not being read out loud? What do you mean by that?

>>3573506

That's a fairly phono-centric view of poetry. It's like twentieth century poetry and art/poem hybrids never happened with you, isn't it? Maybe you should check out Eugene Gomringer.

>>3573529
>>3573525
Pro-tip: Nothing, when it comes to reading, is better when read in silence, unless it's shit.

>>3573529
>>3573529
Honestly? People like you make me sick, I feel ill because you crush any hope there is of literature ever becoming relevant once more.

Then again, you have probably taken vast amount of student loans to have some teacher tell you that Gomringer create fantastic art of sheer genius--so no wonder you're impelled to prove that pic related just isn't shit.

>>3573529
>Phonocentrism.
What is that, go to wikipedia... of course Derridas name comes up, read on....
>Derrida considers phonocentrism apart of logocentrism
>What is logocentrism
>Read about it
>Logocentrism is the criticism of western society are to focused on logos (a.k.a. logic)
These fucking contemporary philosophers, they're just making shit up aren't they? You're too logical? Jesus christ. Why are they getting there fucking money from.

>>3573704
>implying literature was more relevant to anyone but the borgeoisie in the past.

What we mean is that good poetry sounds good.

Right? Get there however you can. I'll bet knowing the meters and measures and stresses of syllables help. I'll bet

Yeah if you read a good poem out loud it'll sound good. Just like good prose actually.

>>3573793
>Don't use "big words" you can't even spell right

>>3573801
Pro-tip: There is a reason why we have commas, periods, capital letters and mark stressed and unstressed syllables. They act as guides for the reader when he pronounce words and read them out loud.

Guess why no one care about grammar anymore. People don't give a fuck about writing anymore as a tool for verbal communication, they see it as some weird tool disconnected from your voice. That's why kids don't capitalize, that's why they don't stress their words when talking. They are only using written text in a context where commas, periods, capitalisation doesn't make sense. Fuck this world.

Do you know why old people talk so nice? They read out loud from the bible every god damn evening. They learned how to pronounciate properly. They knew the need of having a strong and proper voice.

>>3573829

okay.

OP where can I find a copy of the seashell anthology? checked #bookz and a few other usually-reliable sources but can't find it