/lit/ - Literature

>>3523906
>He never misjudges things
So you've never read the books?

Where have all you Sherlockfags come from? Has a new season just aired or something?

>implying Sherlock Holmes isn't fun as fuck to watch

Just enjoy it. Jesus tapdancing Christ.

>>3523920
I've read quite a few of them, I thought they were sort of shit if not for the prose.
>>3523924
talking about the books hombre.

>I thought the books were shit
>Sherlock is a bad character

See, there's your problem ese.

You're mixing up your opinion with a fact.

So no.

Sherlock is fine. He's not perfect. The books aren't perfect. But it ain't Twilight, and I think for that we can all be grateful.

Yeah. He's not really a good character. No one gives a shit, because the Holmes stories aren't really character studies at all. They're about atmosphere, and prose, and setting, and the historical moment, and the bizarreness of the crimes, and the whole world with which we interact through Holmes. Holmes doesn't work like a character in a novel or a modernist short story, but that's okay, because he doesn't need to. You're kind of an idiot for thinking that he does have to and not getting this.

>>3523929
He means that you're meant to enjoy what Sherlock Holmes does, not relate to him as some kind of flawed character. And aside from the fact the Holmes does make a fair number of blunders, the whole thing is conveyed by an unreliable narrator (which is alluded to in the books).

>>3523906
Well, thanks for sharing your opinion.

Sherlock Holmes was a character designed to be used in stories that came with magazines, or were serialised. He was the forerunner to comic book heroes.

Saying he is badly drawn is as valuable a critique as saying "Superman is not particularly believable".

>>3523906
>The original sherlock doesn’t have that, and like elves in bad fantasy, Holmes is basically 10 times better than everyone else with no repercussions in any way.
except that he's an asexual drug addict who when bored writes on the wall with bullets.
and he can be a real dick to watson too...

>>3524318
>and like elves in bad fantasy, Holmes is basically 10 times better than everyone else with no repercussions in any way
not related,so mr spock suck too?

>>3524318
that may be true, but this never slows him down or hinders his abilities in any way so it doesn't matter and it changes nothing.

>>3524308
that's silly. superman is believable within his canon; that he is not human and thus has abilities beyond that of humans. holmes is an english detective.

>>3524318
>asexual
He was gay as fuck with at least mild hetero tendencies.

>>3523906
>The thing with sherlock is that, in all iterations, he has amazing deductive skills and a impossibly fast brain.
No, that's wrong. The only particularity of SH is that he thinks naturally in a logical manner. The human mind doesn't think logically, because it isn't used to it. Otherwise all math would be trivial for everyone of us. Logic is a counter-intuitive process that takes year to be used to.

>>3524418
So an alien with super strength and the ability to fly, living and working undetected in a fictionalised New York has an internal logic that you are comfortable with, but a human detective who is really good at detecting things, is too zany to suspend any disbelief?

You must have taken more psychedelics than I have.

I imagine Sherlock Holmes as a kind of Stephen Fry character.

>>3524702
do you have a proper rebuttal or are you more the type who just wastes time with meaningless posts until the other person slips up and you can pounce?

>arguing about Sherlock's sexual orientation

It's like I'm really on Tumblr!

>>3524722

>lel steven fry so smart XD

Fuck that.

>>3524776
I'm replying to a nonsensical post with an extrapolation of that nonsense. If my own post seems nonsensical then it's probably done its job.

>>3523906

> He never misjudges things, never makes a bad decision, anyone who disagrees with him, or thinks contrary to him is always wrong.

Confirmed for never having read the fucking books.

>>3524382
intelligent men who are particularly good at their job can be dicks and get away with it. Not to forget that Watson is his friend and probably wouldn't write down his failures.

Watson was Holmes fuck buddy

>wah! wah! this fictional character isn't 100% believable!

Say it ain't so, OP!

maybe OP would like Mycroft better...
smarter than Sherlock, and doesnt give a fuck

>>3524781
not very convincing. you have nothing to say other than disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. there is nothing wrong with what i said, hence the absence of any argument against it. all you can simply do is restate it and play it up to be silly, which is not at all convincing either. you can just not respond and still felt like you won. you don't have to waste my time, 'frgsp'

>>3524843
Stop being stupid.

>>3524896
i did years ago. keep up

>>3524843
I took what you said and gave an illustrated example of your own opinion, which you then re-interpreted as "meaningless".
>>3524896
Sound advice.

>>3524909
your 'illustrated example' didn't add anything to the conversation whatsoever

again, do you have a proper rebuttal, or...?

>>3523906
Are you kidding me? The new versions are basically perfect representations of the original. He's conceited, vain and is impossibly messy.
I'm not sure about the drug use, but I wouldn't be surprised.
The only difference is that he puts a little bit of effort into being civil.

>>3524925
It allowed you to see the invalidity of your own poorly-constructed opinions. It was more useful than you care to admit.

From my benevolence your spirit shall take nourishment, and grow.

>>3524943
"haha you really believe that?" is not at all constructive. don't be a dick. you're still stalling

>>3524929
in the stories he is always impeccably polite except to cops and watson, and in those instances he's only rude when he's hot on the trail

>>3524967
I don't know. I always thought of him only being polite grudgingly because it's the easiest way to get information out of someone.

I would say that Holmes is what I think he was intended to be, in an era before the mandatory weakening and humanising of characters, in an era before autism or even manic depression, niggas a super hero.
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