/lit/ - Literature

the real question is...why would anybody want to have this conversation?

>>3479825

yes, Bob Dylan's in the Norton Anthology of modern poesy

you could have at least posted something with good lyrics.

Hey, /lit/.

Are cameras literature?

I generally don't like lyrics, and when they're there and done well I don't care what's being said. I like when the voice is used as another layer in the wall of sound.

>>3479862
>ignoring the fact that poetry had become irrelevant
and song lyrics are the closest and more appreciated thing.
sorry poets.

>>3479873
Hey /lit/.

Are space heaters literature?

>>3479840
But in mine there is a question at the bottom about how knowing the tune to "Mr. Tambourine Man" changes the way we read it as a poem

Sure, the lyrics in that album are awful though

Modest Mouse have pretty poor lyricism, this on the other hand...

What do you think of Morrison's lyrics (The Doors) and his crooning?

>>3479900
Wait...are album covers literature?

>>3479881

that's because the person who edited that page of your book went to graduate school in the 70's and obviously has no better questions to ask

>>3479843
>>3479885
>>3479900

This has to be a samefag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wefT_t2lHU

Knopfler makes clear, but unique enough lyrics.

>>3479900
AND DA METORITE IS DA SOURCE OF THE DEEP AND DEEP IS THE SOURCE OF DEEP

>>3479936
Not really, I enjoy Modest Mouse but Isaac Brock's lyrics are nothing special.

>>3480029
You might as well have put a bunch of 'xD so randum xD le le' shit in your post too.

>>3479825
Personally I would have to say yes.

Others already mentioned Bob Dylan, Jim Morrison and Mark Knopfler, which in my opinion wrote lyrics that, if taken without the music, could easily pass as outstanding poetry.
But there are plenty of other song writers that write lyrics worthy of being considered poetry.

Nick cave

yes.

vnv nation is my case.
go read the lyrics to "descent"

>>3479825
>dat album
My based tribesman!
And to answer your question, yes.

See also: the collected works of Robert Burns (which include a great many songs along with the poetry), Tom Waits, and the more biting satirical songs of Randy Newman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgAkZfObn0c

Oh yes, yes they can.

>>3480093
Except those are the about as "deep" as YS is.

No. Regardless of how artistic or deep you think they are, or how artistic and deep they actually are, they are a different medium from literature.

Musicals are stories with music, therefore, the answer must be yes.

>Reginald, I, I can not love you, for I can not love a man who can not live to love himself.

>History is written by the man who stays acquainted with the thug who has the biggest sword

Only if you're very good.

I feel like some of the best lyrics come from hip-hop. Hip-hop is a genre that revolves around the use of language only using the actual music as accents. Being a genre heavily influenced by postmodernism it hits on some great subjects like social justice, will to power and dionysian vs apollonian aesthetics. Take a rappers like Gucci Mane and Jay-Z who often use their own brand of self-assured lyricism to reaffirm their idea of being the best,
often using subtle details in their music to stress the importance of the individual to set them apart from the rest of the pack in the never ending struggle to be the best. Media often touches on how rappers glorify violence; however, i think rappers more stress to question the cause of crime to justify it in their own mindset. Other rappers have a different approach to social justice and the idea of the state; to quote Gucci mane "I got court in early morning, but I don't really want to go". This line is an obvious allusion to the death of Socrates. While Gucci didn't want to go to court, he still went anyways because it was his duty to the state in the same Socrates stayed when he had a chance to escape. Rappers often get criticized for rapping about more hedonistic pleasures like "money, hoes and clothes", but I think rappers are more embracing the dionysian aesthetic with a new sort of sincerity that has been repressed in american culture for heavy religious indoctrination. While the media stresses the importance of staying healthy and conservative, rappers like Gucci Mane embrace their decadent desires with lines like "belly get so big I can hardly see my toes, I got a car in my garage that I have never ever drove" flaunting his wealth by buying cars he doesn't even need and filling his gut with food. Note: eating is street slang for getting money, so the "my belly get so big I can hardly see my toes" part is a double entendre for accommodating wealth. I could list more, but I'm out of space...

>>3479900
modest mouse creates interesting visuals with their surreal lyrics

newsom screeches insincere cliches over boring harp music

>>3480691

fo shoe nigga