/lit/ - Literature

Monte Vista Colerado and Spooner Wisconsin, obviously.

>>3356365

You forgot Walla Walla Washington.

Hong Kong

>>3356373

ah the old "ex-pat" trick huh?

>>3356373
>implying anyone in Asia gives a shit about culture and not money

In America? Detroit.

Toronto.

>The United States
>Culture

>centre of culture
>in America
lol

Denver, Seattle and Austin

>>3356405
Is this just a simple "well, it's a cheap-ass wasteland full of empty buildings" economic argument, or is there actually something going on in Detroit?

Philadelphia, 'cos I'm there.

>>3356422
Detroit's always had a boss music scene, and I think there are some artists' colonies and the like beginning to flourish in cheap places.

>>3356422
shit load of hipsters are moving into the city

trying to take it back from negroes

Chicago.

The internet, when people who were born into it come of age.

>>3357335
Same thing is actually happening over in Oakland, though they've always been accepting of the run-off from San Francisco and Berkeley - just lately people (White) are moving in at an increased rate.

>>3357335
>hipsters vs. Trapped up thug niggas

It seems like it would be cool, but then I think about it and realize that the hipsters will just come up with some passive aggressive justification to use state and corporate power against the niggas, and then write sad songs about how the poor niggas got run out of Detroit once they're gone and the hipsters feel safe and it's too expensive for the niggas to come back

>>3357356
That's exactly what's going to happen. Although it's market / cultural forces as much as government power, but yeah. It's the same ol' shit. Run 'em out, and mourn 'em when they're gone.

Anyway, OP, the answer is somewhere in the South - it's never been the South's turn for something like this, there's been a relative population boom down there, and it makes sense w the newly post-racial ethos or mindset of America. Not sure where, though.

>>3357365
texas sounds like the place

maybe one of the carolinas

>>3357370
Carolinas I think.

Asheville, North Carolina

>>3357401
Don't think it has the population or economic base to be that much on its own.

>>3357370
>>3357381

Texas is sort of distinct from the rest of the South, but you might be right about them.

Carolinas... IDK. Not too much going on around here in the way of culture. Maybe in Asheville or Charleston, but both of those cities are tiny.

Richmond is pretty artsy but also not a very big city.

Greenville,SC

Fuck man I really regret never having lived in the US. It's too late now, the major cities have degenerated into shit holes, but they were once the centers of culture in that most film and literature was based on American culture and set in those cities. Now it's just liberals and Jews and Blacks and feminists. I can only imagine how angry Americans must feel at the state of their nation...

>>3357417

lol

Why Greenville?

Austin will usurp Portland.

I haven't been there, but an acquaintance has told me that it's more like a collection of neighborhoods than a cohesive city.

Dallas/Ft Worth, Houston

It's always where the money is.

>>3357426
Agreed. Soon there will be a revolution and there will be a return to the constitution. At least, that's the only way I can sleep...

I live in New Orleans, and we get a lot of shit all the time. But I currently couldn't imagine myself anywhere else.

>>3357468
Fine city, but far too locked in to a distinctive, singular identity to be the kind of thing OP is describing. Too regionalist - not that this is a bad thing, really.

>>3357468

How much of it is a Katrina-wrecked ghetto shithole these days?

Greenville will become the cultural capital of the US; it becomes evident to anybody who hasever been there in the last 5 years

New York again, and again, and again....

and again....

no Amerifag but what's wrong with Washington?

>>3357498
The city? It has nothing but politics and poverty.

Seriously, though, it's just too much the political capital of the US to have a massive scene (not to hate on the legitness of culture from DC, there's been a lot of cool music from there, but you know what I mean). Housing prices are high and there's too many squares.

>>3357498

The city?

The 'culture' of DC is the federal government. I mean, it's a culturally important city because of monuments and museums and government buildings and shit but beyond that the city isn't very exciting. DC is alright, but I've never liked it very much.

>>3357431
I live in Austin near the city, it's pretty lame here and not much goes on of importance.

pic related
>xD

>>3357517
>>3357524
ok thanks. Yeah, I was talking about Washington D.C.

>>3357526
lel, Austin's so lame they stole Oregon's schtick.

>>3356361
St. Louis

sorry bros, pump up the Gershwin and break it out the Fitzgerald, the city of New York still reigns supreme.


since it is the center of media(the most important part of our collective culture), NYC still has the highest concentration of the increasingly rare American literati.

come move to our amazing city!

>>3356361
I think we need to establish why we think New York and LA are dying, and also what caused it?

>>3357498
>Washington?

You mean DC? It's just politicians, blacks in Maryland and young professionals in NOVA, all sucking on the government tits.

Philistines and illiterates. Not the kind of place that attracts creativity.

>>3357543
No we had "Keep X Weird" before Portland did

>>3357328
This cuz this

Boston. With all the universities around, and the surge going into Allston right now, if the right people took advantage of it you could see Boston or (maybe) Cambridge suddenly being the epicenter.

Guangzhou.

>>3357544
>come move to our amazing city!
we need a mega city one asap

>>3357560
but nobody cares for reasons that have already been covered

>>3357544
New York is for social climbers, I think we're talking about relevant hipster cities.

My list:

Los Angeles
Baltimore
Detroit
Oakland

>>3357579
No San Francisco?

>>3357498
Washington is a state. Washington DC is the city. I don't mean to be rude, but as someone who's lived in Washington state all my life it's kind of a pet peeve when people don't specify that.

Also, thread related, Seattle is pretty cool, there's a ton of hipsters and shit but it's not nearly as bad as Portland. It might be too far from lots of places in America to be a 'cultural center,' though.

>>3357544
Don't know your politics, but I'd include Ayn Rand in there. If you anthropomorphized NYC it would be Ayn Rand.

>>3357551
>I think we need to establish why we think New York and LA are dying, and also what caused it?

LA - Migration (in and out). California's economic decline.

NY - The assimilation of the Jews.

>>3357570
Sorry, bub, but Boston is close in the running with Cleveland as America's lamest city. Even Salt Lake City and Houston are edgier than Boston.

What about Boston?

Detroit.

Think I'm crazy? It's going to get where they are going to pay young white people to come recolonize the place, and cheap living is pretty much the most important requirement for a true cultural scene in our post–patronage world.

Transitionally, maybe Louisville.

>>3357588
SF is a lot of fun but it's strictly bourgeois, just like New York.

Edinburgh, Scotland
London, England
Frankfurt, Germany
Munich, Germany
Boston, MA, USA
Paris, France

>>3357591
You have obviously never really been to anywhere in Boston that wasn't a tourist trip in the 8th grade, bro.

>>3356361
Delaware

>>3357575
The cause of Truth cares

detroit
>cheap housing
>drugs
>shitty environment
>decaying infrastructure

it has everything we need, I actually plan on moving there soon because bad ideas

>>3357416
I can vouch for the Triangle area of North Carolina being a more than decent place to make a life. You want Durham. Raleigh's got better stuff and it's more cosmopolitan, but it's relatively stuffy. Chapel Hill's very social and fun but superficial. Durham has a good feel to actually live in. All of them are workable and have good arts scenes.

It is, despite the presence of a lot of good bands and Merge records, definitely not the place OP's asking for. It might not exist.

>>3357498
To expand on >>3357517 and >>3357524: I spent a good chunk of the last year in DC, and in terms of a sense of life and vibrancy, it's the flattest, dullest place I've lived. There's a good amount of stuff "to do," but it doesn't amount to much, and what sense of life there is there is inextricably bound up with power, wealth, or both. There's also a noticeable dearth of humor in people, and what humor there is is seldom witty.

Worth a visit for the museums. There's some very justifiable schools there. Otherwise, it can burn.

>>3357610
It's so cute that Bostonites are usually so provincial that they think their city isn't a shitheap. For reference, I lived in Allston for a year.

>>3357590
>>>3357498
>Washington is a state. Washington DC is the city. I don't mean to be rude, but as someone who's lived in Washington state all my life it's kind of a pet peeve when people don't specify that.


Washington DC is a federal territory. Washington is the state. I don't mean to be rude, but as someone who's lived in Washington DC all my life it's kind of a pet peeve when people don't specify that.

>>3357608
Why these cities? I've kind of gotten the (second-hand) impression that Paris is boring these days unless you're in fashion, London is finance the shit Saatchi likes, and Berlin is the big hip place in Germany/Europe.

>>3357632
>There's also a noticeable dearth of humor in people, and what humor there is is seldom witty.

Not really surprising - given the state of the American body politic.

>>3357638
Washington is the city, the District of Columbia is the federal territory, and Washington is the state. Washington (DC) is used by convention to refer to the city.

>>3357626

It's pretty much being taken over by the state at this point, though. So much of it is being vacated and wiped out, who knows what it's going to look like in five years.

You still have a top–tier university within the greater area, a downtown core that can be recovered, and tracts of land that can be bought for cheap for people to start making communes, farms, artist's colonies, etc. I am not from Detroit or even MI, so I'm not talking it up out of some sort of local patriotism; I really think this could happen.

>>3357551
>I think we need to establish why we think New York and LA are dying, and also what caused it?

This guy is correct.

>>3357332
>detroit a boss music scene
>home of eminem and icp

Everyone itt who's whining about DC has never set foot in a nonwhite neighborhood. I lived in Anacostia for a year and it was plenty exciting. The city is by no means a bastion of artistic culture but its not full of snobby white devils either

>>3357632
A friend of mine goes to American University and claims there are some nice hipster areas. Any truth to that or is it just college are crap? (considering a D.C. job atm)

>>3357640
I can attest to Boston being a shitheap

Any anon know how Toronto is these days? I hear good things

>>3357662
Nah, we're just pretty much all writing from the perspective that we're middle-class white (or Asian) dudes who would be terrified of moving into the ghetto, at least until it's been made safe by the first taproots of gentrification breaking through the cement of poverty.

>>3357662
my favorite thing about living in dc was the mayor getting arrested for smoking crack with an undercover sting operation prostitute cop and his quote in all the papers was, "bitch set me up."

then he got re-elected

>>3357640

My best friend lived there for a few years, so I spent a lot of time up there, and I couldn't imagine why anyone not in one of the universities or working for them would want to live there. An insane cost of living with really poor transit options (a huge pain in the ass to drive in, terrible bus service as the only option outside the tiny downtown area), a terrible job market unless you are at a uni or at a research firm of some sort which has a close relationship to one, awful food scene. He moved back to his smaller southern home city (and telecommutes) to get away from the fact that the place sucks so badly.

London and Berlin
Edinburgh

The Bronx is starting to be gentrified, so NYC may still have a pulse.

>>3357662

> exciting

trololololol

>>3357662
>Everyone itt who's whining about DC has never set foot in a nonwhite neighborhood.

I have and they're ghetto shitholes. Especially fucking Anacostia. If hood crap like that gets you excited, move to pretty much any major city in the South.

>>3357664
D.C. is not as bad as people are making it out to be, but it's definitely not a cool city. It's absurdly expensive and has a weird, not-very-cool vibe. Most political bros are even less cool than you'd imagine them to be and that's the main industry for white yuppies. Most people that live there have a relatively long commute.

>>3357695

North Philly or Chicago are other good choices.

>>3357664
AU/Tenleytown is a good area, but it's all because of the college. Its main problem is that the main commercial strip is pretty bare of local stuff. It's sort of got an isolated liberal art college-y feel.

Adams Morgan is the main/most artsy and hipstery area, but it suffers from that bound-up-with-wealth (I don't just mean expensive) thing. There's a fantastic coffeeshop there- Tryst, actually the closest great one to AU- that's also a restaurant and a bar. For-there orders have mandatory table service, and it costs like it does.

You can be very au courant and sophisticated in DC, but you can't really be, for lack of a better term in my head just now, bohemian or whatever. It's a city of well-paid, well-dressed, unpassionately epicurean managers.

If you want, later, I can post a rundown of neighborhoods.

>>3357662

There's better places and worse places, but there's just like this veil over the whole city. I don't know if you'd consider them "nonwhite neighborhoods" by now, but I lived in Petworth and Eckington.

>>3357682
>gentrified
that's what kills scenes
LES, in addition to the entirety of manhattan, died because of this

>>3357733

Exactly.

Thus, Detroit. Get on my level, people; you just want to move to places TV and movies have made you think are cool.

>>3357551
gentrification

>>3357655
>and tracts of land that can be bought for cheap for people to start making communes, farms, artist's colonies, etc
god I hope this happens

I know there's some anarchist commune and art collective stuff happening in abandoned buildings, I want it to continue so badly

>>3357740
>Thus, Detroit
I don't get it

are you saying detroit is the next big thing?
if so I agree

>>3357745

see >>3357600

>>3357680
>poor transit

Really? It's not New York, and WMATA are bunch of fuckshits, but I'm cool with DC's transit, except for how much it costs. $300/something a month for an unlimited ride pass that only covers rail. The frequency is great, and except for having to dip down to the CBD going crosstown on the Red, the layout's solid.

Good news is it's ridiculously easy to get free bus rides. Supposedly, bus drivers are ordered not to turn anyone away. Just play like your SmarTrip ran out and you're out of cash.

Why Texas will be the next Creative Mecca

Dallas is Texas' Biggest Gay Community and beats out San Francisco.

Texas has more widely funded film festivals than any other state. (SXSW, World Fest etc.)

Houston has the best creative writing college in the country.

The Oil, Gas and Energy Industry dominance keeps Texas lifestyle affordable. The wealth gap is actually smaller compared to other state.

More money (mostly private) is still endowed to the Arts than any other state.

More state parks, more wild life, more diverse geography than any other state.

More restaurants and cafes per capita than New York and LA combined!

Problems: Mostly conservative in political ideology, has a "Good Old Boy's Club" mentality. But mavericks sometimes seem to dissipate that though.

Nowhere. Internet has diminished the likelihood of a certain area being the source of culture. Now someone from London can upload a new and exciting song and join up with people in Boston doing the same.

Dublin.

>>3357724
>>3357707
Very helpful,thanks anons. If I take the job I'll probably be moving in with my friend in Bethesda and working in Downtown.

>>3357743

That stuff won't be able to go on for too long, but the people who have it together will be able to afford to settle within the area, anyhow.

I think artists'/writers' apartments (or split–level style stuff) with facilities and private grounds space could be built with affordable rents within a year or two. I think this is the right model because we're also going to transition into a sort of distributed neo–patronage, but because it will be from the internet, the persons getting it can live pretty much wherever they want, which means they'll favor affordable urban areas or developing world beachfronts.

>>3357765

> Replying to a post about Boston as if it were about DC.

>>3357771

>Implying 'gay community' size contributes to an area's 'creativity'

>Implying conservatism stifles worthwhile artistic output

Smelly, dumb liberal scum.

>>3357781
go to bed james

somewhere not white

>>3357810
RHYMES!

Now bust a move!

>>3357821
I'm not tired Tom ;_;

>>3356396
exported culture tends to tie in with wealth. ancient rome, greece, medieval and renaissance rome, paris, new york all were artistic centres at their respective heights of power. there seems to be an interest in chinese art in the wake of maoism at the moment too

>>3357843

Yeeeet, the big obsessions in China are with things like Western classical music, where performance and training is far more important than it is here. The Chinese are showing their wealth and desire for culture by adopting Western art.

>>3357870
Also China is mad fucked cause a ton of their ancient culture got destroyed by Mao and they have no links to the past, nothing to build on. Except virulent nationalism and a desire to outshine the West.

>>3357870
well art has to come from somewhere and it doesn't necessarily have to be internal. for like over a thousand years european art was inspired by a middle-eastern religion. also classical music isn't really much of a relevant cultural force as it used to be. it's not like the chinese are competing with the west to create the most prominent western classical music. they have their own style

maoism itself supplies enough of a link to the past to explore chinese society through its art. even things that are seemingly banal like paintings of standardised family portraits (keeping in mind this was very common in europe) attract interest from external collectors for their uniqueness and the depth of the story they can tell. you don't really need thousands of years of history in order to make art unless you are a marginalised group trying to build a social identity (mexico, 'harlem renaissance')

>>3356361
We don't know, no one knows. Culture is a fluid entity shaped by us all, who could have foreseen that Rome was to rise to such great powers? Even the Romans themselves didn't until they rose to power. Who knew that Medieval Italy, the backward peninsula filled with strife, was to become the center of rebirth? Who knew that England was to virtually control the entire world and spread ITS culture everywhere? Or that Netherlands, such a tiny nation compared to others, was to be the richest in Europe at the time? Who also knew that Communism was to fall so suddenly? Quit asking in hopes of finding an answer, because it will be a wrong one, just wait and see.

>>3357879
also france went through a similar thing with its revolution, when it tried to shake off its links to the past. of course you still have people like jacques-louis david using the neoclassicist tradition to legitimise napoleon but there's nothing historical about styles such as impressionism and its emphasis on the modern

>>3357416

Richmond here. I totally agree. Whenever anyone describes Portland I immediately think of a larger Richmond. If we had more people and less ignorant poor blacks (blacks in general are fine just not the rude and mean ones) we would run shit.

>>3357919
rude and mean whites are great though. it demonstrates affirmation, independence and genius!

Boston and Philly because of the amount of colleges in both regions, as well as cheaper residency and they're still apart of the Greater New York Metropolitan Area

>>3357780
This is also a viable option.

>>3357919

Yeah, I think Richmond is a pretty good mix culturally. The arts scene and the goofy hipsters are counterbalanced by the old Southern aristocracy, with some immigrants thrown in for good measure. Crime's going down, restaurants are good, music is alright...

It's a nice town; I'm glad to be from there. Sucks to be overshadowed by DC since I think they're sort of shittier than we are in a lot of ways.

>>3357943

Philly is a dump.

>>3357365

Eh, as a Southerner and a southern culture/literary critic I have to say that the south has always wanted to be the alternative united states. I think the continued anti-progressiveness of the South (even though there are many places for progressivism) are what would prevent even minute communities from forming.

I see exceptions to this in Texas, the fringe southern cities like Louisville, New Orleans, Somewhere in the Kansas/Arkansas/Missouri triangle.

>>3357476

Actually that's what it was before Katrina. Katrina actually wrecked all the shitholes and left a lot of the more affluent areas alone (relatively speaking).

>>3357956

Parts, yeah, but the indie music scene is up and coming because it's so much cheaper to see bands there than it is in NYC.
And again, there's a shit-ton of colleges in Philly.

>>3357335
>implying black hipsters don't exist

I know they do because I am one.

>>3357967
> I think the continued anti-progressiveness of the South (even though there are many places for progressivism) are what would prevent even minute communities from forming.

That's a silly thing to say. Some of our greatest centers of cultural output--Appalachia, the Mississippi Delta, etc.--are the least 'progressive' parts of the country.

What are you, some kind of librul?

>>3357919

So there's another person living in Richmond that browses /lit/

How horrifying.

>>3357608

I suspect you're from Edinburgh. I can't imagine anyone putting it on their list who wasn't a delusional local. I used to have high hopes for the city, but the playwrights I knew left for Paris - which is also dead.

>>3358006

>Some of our greatest centers of cultural output

Yeah, Southern culture. I don't think some blind, gone in the teeth negro playing delta blues at some run down gas station that sells confederate flags and trees covered with Spanish moss and red bugs are going to attract the new post-modernist revolution.

>>3356361
Is pic related OP? Does anybody know where that is?

>>3358024

No, but the heir-apparent, 'New Sincerity' (it's a delusion, don't think I don't know) would embrace all that rural charm with easy vigour.

pittsburgh is cool as shit but nobody understands yet

>hipsters
Fags.

>Boston
Nope. Not going to happen. I love how you hipsters are almost always ultra-left yet you completely fuck with the working class. Boston as a city can be compared to Midgar in FFVII. It's a rich as fuck city with rich as fuck suburbs but right outside of that... Lowell, Lawrence, Fall River, Brockton, New Bedford, Worcester, Peabody, Lynn, etc
All of them are working class cities that have never seen the end of the Great Depression. Let me tell you, everyone outside of the Boston metro hates you all and your gay as shit legislation. Burn in hell, Bostonian hipsters/ultra-libs.

>>3358030

>2013
>rural areas in the south that aren't made over in the image of midwestern suburbs for the sake of attracting a higher population

>>3358024

I didn't realize we were limiting the discussion to pomo "culture"...

I'd much rather have the blind negro bluesman, to be honest.

I think that Austin has a pretty good chance.

I've never thought about Detroit that much, and I'm a bit skeptical, but it sounds like an interesting theory.

The triangle area is looking fairly interesting also.

America isn't growing in quite the same way that it used to, it might be worth looking to more rapidly growing cities in Asia perhaps.

>>3358034
Are you in the 412?

>>3358034
Pitt is beautiful, has some cool underground scenes, and it's dirt cheap.

Only thing I hate are the roads, public transit, perpetual roadwork and detours, etc. All those damn bridges.

>>3358039

I don't know, man! I'm British - our cultural 'centres' haven't moved in five centuries or more

>Oxford
>Cambridge
>London
>Edinburgh

>>3358039

That really only describes the environs of major cities...

>>3358042

Well...me too. But that's because we're southerners pal. We like wet, dirt, canopy roads and glass bottles full of mysteries home brewed liquid. That and free sweet tea and tractors.

>>3358058

Where the hell do you live that this hasn't happened yet?

>>3358059

<3

>>3358061

Well I currently live in the city. Half of my family lives in southwestern VA, though, where not much tends to change.

>>3357426
>>3357460
/pol/ pls go

>>3357365
East Nashville is the South's new hipster capital. Nashville had a huge boom in population and infrastructure in the mid 90s and 2000s. It was founded on the music industry, and "roots/americana/country" is fashionable again. there's a ton of old dope smokers there who flocked to a place they could live the slow life, play music, and get paid to write songs laying the tone for the city since the 70s; a very califorinaesque vibe. add in a ton of diaspora children born on the Farm, a nearby 60s commune that was one of the biggest in the country. until they all moved to Nashville. Great climate. Beautiful Appalachian rolling hills. Barbeque.

OP, it's gonna be Nashville. hell, it already is.

Seattle is to my mind pretty much the center of globally relevant American culture. The East Coast is a shadow of its former self, and has always held on to remnants of Puritanism and English pageantry that just give it a cramped and uncomfortable feel, even in the best places it has to offer. Seattle captures the fluid and wide-open West Coast vibe, but manages to sidestep a lot of the dumbfuckery of California and Oregon. It's still hipster as fuck, but compared to Portland and San Fran it's a very dignified sort of hipsterism.

>>3358117
but it's so fucking cold up there

>>3358110
Yep this one got it.

>>3358122
Hahahahahaha

(as someone who moved to Seattle from Wisconsin, this is humorous to me)

>>3358024
b...but Faulkner

>>3358045
>Triangle area is looking fairly interesting
Don't forget the Triad next door! Winston-Salem, Greensboro, High Point - together, we form a daunting megalopolis. Seriously, central North Carolina is a major hub for culture in general these days.

>>3358147
you moving from worse to bad does not make bad appealing to people who already have it better. also i grew up in wisconsin a little bit. fuckin loved the dinosaur museum and copp's custsard

>>3357664

Toronto is culturally really fucking cool, but the urban design is horrible and it's just a terrible place to get around in (!!!). There are projects on the go to improve it, but still. Lots of amazing public art though. Music scene is meh. Visual Arts scene is amazing. Literary scene is meh. So many amazing restos and cafes. It has tons of good beaches, an island with a weird cottage vibe, and lots of great art festivals. For some reason, Toronto issues trend on twitter a lot, too.

It's expensive for Canada, but cheap compared to NY SF and LA.

>>3358177
yeah, but it's kinda hard to go from america -> canada, isn't it?

>>3356414
>>3356412
>You fag(s)
>Not samefag
>Yurop
>Important modern culture
>Implying Yurop will ever get their chance at being the cultural powerhouse they once were.
>Implying muh Clapistan won't still be the cultural powerhouse even it's not the economic world power.

>>3358185

Why?

>>3358203
It's a different country

immigration & that

>>3358177
I loved it in Tdot, but:
>citizenship
>climate
then again, it'll probably be prime temperatures soon what with the global warming and all.

also, what's with
>the urban design is horrible and it's just a terrible place to get around in
?
it's a grid with the best public transport I've ever used. as a visitor, there was never a time when I wasn't properly oriented or had to wait more than 10 min for a train or the Rocket. I don't get why people say this. has it changed that drastically since the 90s?

>>3358172
>worse
>bad
>better
>not the effete perspective of someone living in decadent southern climes, oblivious to the hardy constitutions and character-building enjoyed by northern folk.

melbourne, it gave us nick cave, australian football and the shuffle. the hipster takeover of the inner suburbs is sickening

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1397864

>>3358231
>calling suffering as character building
i bet you don't even like nice weather anyway

London.

I'm not even joking. Literature in London has only dealt with poor minorities in council estates or rich white people in the tepid 'English novel'. There is a massive scope for good literature.

Seriously. Zadie Smith, Martin Amis, Ian McEwan - they're doing nothing different. Where's the new 'American novel in England'? We haven't had it since 1974.

>>3358219

Toronto's fairly mild as far as Canada goes. Snow does not stay long here because of Lake effect. Toronto recently passed L.A. with the longest average commute time in North America. The Public transport is fine, but the city is growing so fast that it's crowded and overburdened. I'd rather take transit or walk rather than drive or bike. And I love biking. It's not unusual to take an hour to go to a place that should only take twenty minutes to get to.

>>3358233

Eh, it's in the Antipodes. That's not good for literature, no matter how great Melbourne is.

>>3358248

Londoner here. I don't feel we are the cultural capital of the UK, everything here seems to be stagnating.

I visited Bristol and the whole city, rich and poor, seemed to stink of creativity and culture. If you look an unusually high amount of modern artists and writers come from Bristol.

>>3358239
>implying suffering isn't character building

I'm sorry, I was under the impression people here read books.

>>3358263

A couple I'm friendly with, an animator and a writer, just moved down there. They seem to think it's the place to be.

>>3358263

I disagree. I understand that you could think that, but you're looking in the wrong places. If you go to the Saatchi Gallery and the Tate Modern you get that impression - boring corporate art with very little to say.

The only reason why it's stagnating is that nobody has adapted To a new London yet. It's all this BBC nonsense like 'Oh God I just joined a gang in Hackney' or 'I live in Westminster and fuck my typist'.

What about perversion among the populace? A Muslim man that uses his daughter to entice men? This is just one idea, and it would hardly be a main plot (and more of a comical flourish) but there is stuff there.

You need to get out on the tube more bro. Go to Kensington, Upton Park, the canals around Mile End, Regents' Park. There's plenty to see.

>>3358252
Melbourne was the second city after Edinburgh to be declared a UNESCO City of Literature. Peter Carey is from there, he's generally considered the next Australian author in line for the Nobel Prize.

>>3358286

But it's the antipodes. It has the cringe, bro. I would rather read a novel about pretty much anywhere other than New Zealand and Australia.

Christ, even a novel about Uzbekistan would appeal more to me.

Edinburgh's the most literary city in the world. It ought to be there.

>>3358298
and while you deal with that irrational fear of places far away from you, the rest of us will be enjoying good literature regardless of its geographical origins.

>>3358298
Some individuals have 'the cringe'. Most people don't care.

phoenix, arizona.

>>3358299

But it's in Scotland. For similar reasons to >>3358298 it's very off-putting.

>america
LOL

Toronto master-race reporting

>>3358298

Seconded. Antipodeans are the antithesis of culture. I'm always reminded of Alison in Fowles's 'The Magus'.

>>3358282

I go up around the city all the time. I think London is a fantastic place to write about but I don't think it has the right atmosphere for writers is all.

>>3358305

Oh get lost. I live in New Zealand. I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I don't understand why people here (and I hear it's the same in Australia) pretend in a mass-delusion that art from these places is almost always good.

>>3358315

You may have a point there. Writing a novel about London from outside London?

>>3358316

Seriously. The only novel about New Zealand I found to be tolerable was 'Erewhon' by Samuel Butler.

>>3358316
I think it's difficult for any country to view their art objectively. It sounds like you have a serious bias against local art, precisely because it's local. That's silly.

I can tell you for good god damn sure its not Las Vegas NV

>>3358338

It's not that it's local, but that it's crap. It really is a tedious glut of overrated tribal dances and rambling stories about sheep farming. It's not so much that it's local, but that New Zealand seems to create such boring people.

Boring people can't write interesting literature. It's a country full of anoraks, natives that dance around invented culture and 'manly' men.

>>3357570
coming from a bostonite: truth. we have a lot of cultural capital here, we just need to give students a reason to stick around rather than just exporting them every 4 years.

Pittsburgh

>>natives that dance around invented culture and 'manly' men.

Sounds good to me. Would bang/10.

>>3358089
Merchant pls go

Art has always been the privilege of the wealthy.
Art goes wherever money resides.

There's been the epoque of patronnages then the bourgois took care of art and now plebs do. Consumerism controls art right now.

music, painting, architecture, ballet, literature, cinema, you name it.

The common points in all periods of art history in all places from athens to florence to paris to NY is MONEY.

Now with globalism we don't have an artistic epicenter like rome or athens at their prime. Big cities share the cake.

London, Paris, NY, Tokyo are big places for art.

You'll find phonies, hipsters, rich people ready to spend piles of cash to show off their education and superiority, capricious spenders, big museums, loads of middle class who want to share a good moment, academics and critics in search of recognition through aesthetics, tons of plebs and, very important, other desperate artists in desperate need of expression/recognition/money/sex/alcohol

Everything is made to support art itself: schools, teachers, masters, amateurs, public, majors, editors, networking circles etc...

So last time I checked,
Carnegie hall is still in NY.
The louvre is still in Paris.
Tokyo still has 191 michelin stars.
The diamond sutra is still at the British library along with 150 Million of other documents.
Los Angeles still has Hollywood, capital of western cinema, for better or worse.

Second rate cities certainly furnish an honorable effort but they won't superseed the "big league" in artistic ventures in any kind of form or shape.

>>3358391
They follow the money. The boston area is a brain garden for bigger cities.

>>3357416
Houston's museums
Austin's Music and university

>>3357436
>>3357771
>>3358526
>Art goes wherever money resides.

These anons are totally correct.

Even though the last one doesn't understand that the corollary is Texas, not freaking Paris (that stopped being a relevant cultural center after France stopped being a relevant global economic player). .

>>3358391

Well paid jobs would do it.

They're barely existent outside of the academy.

And yes, the reason why NY and later LA/SF were the American cultural centers was the accumulation of millionaires and well-off professionals - ergo a class of artistic philanthropists and consumers.

So, most likely one of the Texas metropolis.

>>3357989
Go to bed Danny Brown.

>>3358568>not freaking Paris (that stopped being a relevant cultural center after France stopped being a relevant global economic player). .

You're a fucking git.

>>3358203
Points nigga.

see
>>3358212

>>3356365

>Spooner Wi
>rednecks
>culture


The real answer is pic related

>>3358628
>The Paris of the Prairie.

God damn I love that town.

>>3356361
Nashville

>>3358646
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/09/us/nashville-takes-its-turn-in-the-spotlight.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

i want Denver to get big. i'm originally from there, but i moved to LA a few years after i graduated from college since there's nothing really going on there. if more things started to happen and i could get a job in a creative field (writing, film editing, etc) i'd move back in a heartbeat.

>>3356361
Wherever you're not.

Denver, I'm here. Also weed is legal so we are already ahead of the rest of the redneck USA

>>3358568
>>3358618
>>3358618
france:

>5th largest GDP
>4rth country by number of top 500 world largest companies
>Triple A
>member of the security thing at the ONU
>4rth largest weapon exporter in the world
>Second main country in europe behind gemany
>Behind switzerland and micro states, probably the country who has the least enemies (all surrendering jokes appart)
>CAC40 (airbus, Vinci, air liquide, Total, carrefour)
>1rst touristic industry in the world
>One of the first countries to develop the atomic weapon
>World class nuclear industries
>World class train, airline
>11 field medals
>amongst the scientific elite since forever
>aircraft carrier
>Rafale
>Principal member of the european space program
>ARIANE, vulcain engines
>EADS

certainly not economically irrelevant.

>>3358016
Hey bro, will you swipe me into Shafer?

>>3358671

It's the trend, stupid.

>"France is coddled with illusions," said Jean Peyrelevade, ex-head of Credit Lyonnais. "Economic decline is the brutal, hard, undeniable reality. We are consuming the leftovers of a past prosperity."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/9239606/Electoral-silence-on-Frances-slow-economic-decline.html

>>3358660
Whatever, Oakland had explicitly-police-condoned 18+ weed clubs starting years ago.

>>3356361
Mark my words: Atlanta, Georgia. No one even knows the writing talent in these small suburbs.

Romanticism with renewed vigor, as we thrash off the snobbery, idiocy, and masochism of post post-modernism, we will rise out of and into our own gated communities. Say good bye to your Ivy covered marble columns literature PhDs. Taking required classes to be "taught" how to write by gearboxs will be the greatest joke in another ten years. I hope you didn't waste any time polishing your deconstruction of the deconstruction of Derrida.

>>3358732
hotlanta peaked in the early 2000's

>>3358732
This century has been the one of the "ivist", "ism" "neo-" and "post-". I really hope this'll be over soon.
This academization and obssession over concepts is really annoying. Not only literature but also painting and other arts suffer from this ridiculous illness.
(Classical music is jerking itself off to death over atonal music: it's painfull to witness and annoying to listen to; at first it was a bold way of inventing and discover new stuff but now you find people only listenning to that and shitting all over the golden era.)

kansas

>>3358758
Maybe with the rap scene, which only marked the time of our leaving adolescence with some healthy respect for irrational humor.

Among me, and my friends, there is a massive trend to what I call Romanticism revision, for lack of knowledge on what some high hat would call the term. I see it as a return to having and wanting closer contact with humans, and the literature reflecting that. In the age of never being alone, constantly needing to be recognized by the world, we have forged a subgroup that enjoys depth rather than width. We throw off all these self-defeating forms of modernism and inject some more healthy respect, this time for the science and the intelligent by nature, not the "learned-man".

I'm writing a story that hints the main character is some sort of vampire, the descriptions of him constantly focusing on his mouth, his pale skin, and the small traces of blood that coat him.

My friend writes absurdest works were the narrator is reaching out for true love, gets his hands cut, laughs, and does it again with even more strength than before.

My other friend's newest work was a screen play about a black man and white man stranded on Mars. At the end of their useless walking, the white man takes off his helmet, revealing himself to be a Martian, and racistly kicks the black guy in the dick. A great black propaganda/ satire piece.

Denton Texas is dead ; LONG LIVE DENTON.

>>3358767
the only thing flatter and more desolate than the landscape in kansas is the people

>>3358772
BOOM ROASTED

>>3358769
that all sounds like shit.

>>3358763
>This academization and obssession over concepts is really annoying. Not only literature but also painting and other arts suffer from this ridiculous illness


Don't worry it will. The new age will be a new look at Romanticism. Really, we have no where else to go. The world is at peoples finger tips, almost literally at this point. As a member of the new generation, our line is completely obsessed with being famous, being known, being lauded for no reason at all. Our intelligent people are actually completely opposite though, and these people will be the ones that write and set trends. The world will shake, and who knows what will fall off the counter top? But if I am certain of one thing, it is that neither the intelligent writers or the fame-crazed crowds like the old generations obsession with academia and ironically useless prefixes and suffixes.

>>3357328
yeah this x2

>>3358778
Your opinion of it is irrelevant. In fact, the more you hate it the better.

I say that it's not a question of "where's the next place" but "when's the next time?" I think that American culture is at low ebb right now.

Plus, given the Internet, the cultural hotspots of the future probably aren't going to be geographical.

By the way, I'm an Asheville college student. This place has great outdoor options, but there's no way it's a cultural hotspot. We've been featured in the NYTimes travel section too many times for that.

>>3358769
Wow, I can't believe you have such a high opinion of yourself.

>>3358769
>racistly
Stopped reading there, but I should have stopped reading earlier.

>>3357771
I'm convinced. I know their schools are fantastic, even at the middle and high school level. They have strong arts programs.

>>3358771
Denton is a piece of shit.

Sincerely yours, Fort Worth

>>3357543
as a st. louisian who loves his city, what.

the lou is kinda decaying at the moment population wise, and hell even our rappers ain't what they used to be.

maybe i just don't get out enough, but i don't see where ya coming from.

>>3357771
I second this. I was born in the Northeast and had a huge "Texas-is-backward" mentality. Then I ended up growing up between Austin and Houston. While the countryside can indeed be backward, the cities are excellent.

Houston is very international and even has an enormous Vietnamese district, complete with street signs written in Vietnamese.

THE USA ITSELF is having an identity crisis

America's queen is being revitalized and is really awesome nowadays. Come check out cincinnati. Also Nashville is awesome and Louisville is always a good time

>>3358263
considering all the god-tier music that came from there in the 90s, I have no trouble buying this premise.

>>3358820
shit, america as a concept is predicated on an identity crisis (i.e.immigration)

>>3358818
He's probably joking. All our cultural heavy hitters are dead or retired now. Unless you're Chuck Berry. Politically Missouri has only become more socially regressive and St. Louis is one of the most heavily segregated and racist cities in the country.

In other words, he had to have been joking.

Canada. Not sure where in Canada, but somewhere in Canada.

>>3358818
Also St. Louis' population has actually stayed steady population wise, as of the 2010 census. Also the metro area has grown in general, and STL is one of the few cities independent from its surrounding counties. Something also due to racism.

>>3358855
*surrounding county

>>3358651
Denver is really nice. They just put that train in when I went. I couldn't get a handle on what was happening there culturally, but I thought it was a pretty cool-looking city, a nice urban center, dense enough to not be strip-mall sprawl, but still with the West's "wide open space" feel.

Coming from Atlanta, it's fucking weird how there's no black people there (or the region generally) but the average 4Channer is probably more than OK with that, I'm sure.

>>3358763
i assume you mean last century i.e. the 20th century

>>3358769
funny you should post during the same week as CL's fiction issue. it was all shit. the stuff in your post sounds worse. the A, much as I love it, is no literary city, and you just proved it.

Copenhagen.

Screencap this so you can show it to your grandchildren in 50 years.

Texas is reinventing Americana

Plano, Utah
Arlington, Texas
Lafayette, Louisiana
Orange, California

Just a few possibilities off the top of my head.

>>3358861
Same with the entire Pacific Northwest re: white people, except for tiny localized sections of urban areas. You stop noticing it after a while if you're white, but then you start doing double-takes whenever you encounter the rare black person outside of "black" neighborhoods.

If you're black, I imagine it sucks.

St. Louis and Phoenix

>>3357328
>>3357568
>>3358783
muh niggas

america is exhausted culturally speaking. it hasn't produced a noteworthy movement in the arts for a long time. the future belongs to asia, china specifically.

>>3358992
>china specifically

definitely asia though.

>>3359001
contemporary chinese art is revolutionary (literally)

>>3359033
revolutions are so passé

>>3359001
Agreed.

>>3359036
>vlcsnap

>>3359050
>not making your own reaction images

step up son

>>3359052
>using reaction images

>>3359061
>text-only posts on an imageboard

>>3359069
>an imageboard means the images you post should be reaction images

>>3359089
now you got it

>>3359103

ST. LOUIS MISSOURI

YUUUUUUHHHHHHHHH

>>3357356
Holy shit

props for saying it like it is, because yes, that is what is going to happen.

The coming revolution belongs to Los Angeles.

First time snooping through /lit/ and I find an absolutely fascinating topic. It really makes me want to travel and see all these cities being mentioned, I've never really lived outside of LA and Santa Barbara for a short stint (the latter which will never be an important cultural center).

I think NY and LA will still manage to hold on fairly strong because there is so much media and infrastructure to support art and entice artists. LA has the film industry and a healthy wellspring of various professionals (from artists to prop designers and stunt crew) it will never quite be able to leave. Its also *the* city for animation so you will have a lot of artists of that sort flocking there because there are few other animation studios elsewhere. The city is unfortunately fairly expensive and real estate developers are quick to suss out all the cool spots with young people to resell to painfully bland white yuppies who crave excitement.

>>3358526
I think this guy is correct. Texas is next. Probably Austin. I have friends there and it sounds exciting, rather wish I could move to enjoy it before the bland yuppies follow.

Ireland.

Disclaimer: not Irish.

>>3358763
oh I completely agree, they could at least wait a little before giving it a label.

>>3358732
See you soon, anon.

>>3359132
That place is a trashpit of desperation. Talk to the average working artist there and you'll quickly find out how deluded and talentless the lot is.
>>3359171
Texas has been working at it for a while but, they'll have to shed the old skin. There are many a backwards place there. The main cities are doing pretty well, though. Austin isn't too much to get excited about, too much hype, no delivery.

NY is too expensive these days, they hold on to the title of grand old wizard while the place has been cleaned up and turned into disney land. Good city for old money and new financiers, only the sheer numbers are keeping that place culturally relevant. and the throwaway cash to buy shitty art.

Detroit's a viable idea, Atlanta has a chance. Problem is Savannah is the only other decent city in the shit splat state of Georgia. I dont see people moving to the midwest.

I'm going with somewhere in Colorado. Boulder or denver. Its low key enough not to attract a thousand assholes before it bubbles up to a true artist's hub. That and Chattanooga. Free city-wide wifi, yo

>>3356361
Artists should definitely go to Paris, like in the good old days.

>>3358781
Anonymous is the opposite of people wanting to be famous/snowflake generation IMO

>>3359451
I like the idea of Detroit. I think a lot of people like the idea of Detroit. I truly hope it finds its feet, it can become a very vibrant city with the right people and planning.

>>3359475
This. As a part of the future artistical trend that is going to appear in our century, I consider this town perfect because >monuments, >old monuments, >old buildings, >museums, >history.
And yes, it's time for Classicism... AGAIN.

>>3358821
I fucking love Cincinnati, but I'm pretty surprised to hear you mention it. Sure it's a cool place, but what does it have that would even make it a candidate? The city center is still mostly decaying/stagnant and it isn't growing anytime soon.

>>3359475
fucking this.

Like the faggots above who think their texas is going to take over paris in artistic value, depth, dynamism or history.

Jesus fucking christ.

Serious question here. Why isn't Chicago a major cultural center? It seems like there would be some sort of genres/groups/cultures hailing from such a large city. Am I missing something?

>>3358628

I vote Kansas City for the dark horse candidate. Why not?

>>3359602

I live just north of Chicago and the reason it's not a cultural epicenter is because the Midwest is a cultural wasteland. Not enough ethnic differences for a clashing of culture or tradition, ergo nothing new or innovative emerges. It's heavily Germanic and Scandinavian from Idaho to Ohio.

The Midwest: good for tradition, terrible for culture.

Berlin.

>>3359948

lol

>>3358769
Any work published/that you could post somewhere from this circle?

>>3356361
>Ctrl+f Internet
Three hits.

It's really like you are stupid /lit/

>centre of culture
>forever ever
>not yurop

>>3359993
I don't think anyone discounts the Internet as a possibility- it's widely floated superficially, and '80s-early '90s East Village has always been my go-to 4chan metaphor- but it's also singularly uninteresting and significantly changes the nature of the sort of place we're talking about: how many overpowering drug-fueled lovers' feuds have taken place on the Internet?

It could be that, unavoidably, this thing is fundamentally changing what being human is and what the sort of art humans produce looks like. That's happening- already started happening decades ago (c.f. "the only convincing love story of the 20th century," or whatever that Lolita blurb is)- but it happening purely and without a physical, vital cultural antithesis will mean we'll have to chuck romanticism, humanism, the vigor of traditional hedonism, the high aspirations of its heretofore existing alternatives, etcetera. In short, everything that's constituted human culture since the Renaissance.

What's happening when people have these sorts of discussions is a roundabout way of facing that and trying to figure out how to avoid it.

>>3360080
"Uninteresting" should probably be "unappealing."

>>3356361

Tallahassee, Florida

/thread

>>3356361
also born in NYC: Hip hop (arguably the most relevant cultural product currently across the globe)

>>3357648
Berlin: American Hipsters and Turcs

>>3358034
>>3358046
>>3358055

agree with Pittsburgh. Shadyside resident here

I am European I although I have absolutely no reason whatsoever to back up my claim, I feel Austin Texas is the place to be.

>>3360652
>hiphop
>most relevant
>2013

are you retarded or just plain America?

>>3360652
I hope this is a troll.

>>3360783
>>3360784
Not that guy, but what alternative is there? The only thing I can think of (and it wins) is Islam.

Assuming by relevant we mean being a big thing going on at the present moment.

>>3360652
It's daddy was Jamaican though.

The Bay Area because I live everywhere else except there: someone is making Ezra Pound proud as we speak; the echo of our Narcissists is obviously hidden in no one's conceals.

>>3360790
>Islam (a religion)
>hiphop

what the fuck are you even comparing? are you trolling or retarded?

as for hiphop, it was cool and hip in 1980s.
half of europe is busy making electronic music day and night, testing new drugs, and you're busy with negro poetry from the 20th century.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8d3M3cMICU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_q5fZ2rEV4

>>3360837
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8d3M3cMICU
Just the quality one would expect from "Bong Ra"

>>3360837
continued

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXDrj0XqrSc

neoclassical "martial"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFGMgJkpwwc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oFyI5vlkec


(not to mention the whole dubstep scene that has taken over)

>>3360837
>as for hiphop, it was cool and hip in 1980s.
>posts music that sounds like its from the 90s and uses hip hop samples
Wow, man, you are truly are closer to the zeitgeist.

>>3360837
>making electronic music day and night
>yurope
>first link is from a genre based off of a drum fill by an black american jazz artist with first sample from american metal band
>second link is based on japanese gameboy sound bites
can europe do anything but recycle good ideas into mediocre messes?

>>3360856
you are missing the point.

>>3360839
>(not to mention the whole dubstep scene that has taken over)
You're about a decade behind.

>>3360856

>complaining about lack of OC
>2013

>>3360861

I'm willing to agree if you can point me to the currently hippest/newest genre/thing.

Connecticut.

>>3360858
nope. hip hop is by any objective measure more relevant than whatever remix garage dubshit is coming out of yurop

>>3360864
>being intellectually complacent

>>3360874
please inform us of your "objective means"

as for "decade behind": dubstep only went mainstream a few years ago. Even Wikipedia disagrees with you;

>Dubstep started to spread beyond small local scenes in late 2005 and early 2006; many websites devoted to the genre appeared on the internet and aided the growth of the scene, such as dubstepforum, the download site Barefiles and blogs such as gutterbreakz

>>3359171
people have been hollering-out Austin since the late 80s. I don't really think it's going to happen there, but no doubt it's a cool place.

>implying we shouldn't vote for a city in Europe and America
>implying we shouldn't all agree to move to either
>implying we shouldn't set up there and create a new artistic/literary movement
>implying we won't turn the two cities into the new cultural epicenters and hotspots for our movement
>implying people in the future won't debate over which one of us produced the best works
>implying this isn't our destiny

Make it happen /lit/

>>3360880
>Dubstep started to spread beyond small local scenes in late 2005 and early 2006
John Peel played what were practically Dubstep nights sometime around 2002/2003. Pretty sure national radio would count as "beyond small local scenes".

>>3359451
Chatt? that place is nice, but it's too small. Like, 5 old-money families control the whole thing. How the fuck are you going to pick Chatt over Nashville (see what I wrote here >>3358110). Even if we're just talking about TN, Nashville is *obviously* what's up.

I could see Denver, maybe, from the little time I was there (>>3358861).

I'd like it to be Atlanta, since I live there, but it seems like nobody in charge can pull their head out of their ass. Like the Spaceghost-image-poster said, we peaked in the early 2000s. We had a great scene, then all these buildings full of yuppies chasing our energy got built in midtown, Lenny's got shut down, and all the life got sucked out. I remain hopeful about the Beltline project, but again, it being Atlanta, nobody can pull their head out of their ass to get it built, and what *is* built has issues already.

>>3360919
you damn arrogant fuck. You think one country is enough to consider something mainstream on a global level?

The wikipedia even says 2009 "mainstream". That's what? Three years ago?

I'm not saying dubstep is cool, I don't even like dubstep. My point is hiphop is fucking outdated and boring as fuck. Go listen to LilWayn somewhere else.

Montreal you fools.

>all these boring second and third tier american cities

americans cities aren't good at culture since they're designed around cars instead of human beings. how can culture thrive when no one wants to leave their car in the downtown area?

My Dad's big into the revitalization of Detroit; I can confirm it's better than it used to be, but the infrastructure's still a mess. It's the biggest city in America in terms of area, but it's spread out so much that most of the government sponsored programs are unsustainable. Still, hipsters have done wonders for the city, look up Cass Corridor/ Midtown if you don't believe me. I'm still not moving back

>>3360898
Where do you wanna go in Europe? It's gotta be cheap obviously.

>>3360939
I'd go to Ghent or Berlin or Amsterdam

>>3360939
St. Petersburg or Vladivostok. The latter obviously isn't in Europe, but it's at a crossroads between the East and the West and it's waiting to be exploited. Only problem is >Russia

>>3359492
the Detroit Institute of Art is one of the best museums in the country. gotta love 20th century automobile-baron endowments.

[for scale: the men on the assembly line are probably 1.5 or 2x lifesize, and the other 3 walls in this room are done, too]

>>3360930
Woah, palpable anger. I don't know how mainstream dubstep is on a "global level", I'm unaware of the reception in India, China, Africa and many other places, but it's been out there for around a decade, on at least a national scale. If you knew anything, you'd also know that getting played on Peel wouldn't have made it "mainstream", but all I'm saying is that it isn't as recent a phenomena as you seem to think.

>>3360960
Fun fact - It's painted by Diego Rivera and was almost destroyed during the McCarthy era because "muh capitalism"

>>3360111

>>3360652
hip hop hasn't really been relevant since right around when Kanye showed up. it's definitely the most popular, globally. but relevant? no.

but I get it, New Yorkers gotta rep. always the loudest mouth in the room, talking about how much better it is in NY.

>>3360934

>>3360935
>>3360935
hear, hear.

that's why I'm hopeful about ATLs Beltline, but you're 100% right.

>>3361065
>vice

>>3360837
They're both functioning, in the present, as major cultural movements. Saying "Islam is just a religion" is nearly as stupid as saying Judaism is- Islam lacks the lineage component, but otherwise they're both, to grab Mordecai Kaplan's phrase, "evolving religious civilizations." Islam's proselytizing component and the rise of Islamism have turned it into a broader, expanding movement.

Connecticut's poorer areas.

>>3361149
yeah, but 90s vice from their archive. the caption in the pic is still a relevant reply.

Canberra

>>3358343
Agreed. Everyone who has something good goes somewhere else as soon as they graduate high school. Even our symphony is only a couple of steps above the arts high school.

>>3358763
>Classical music is jerking itself off to death over atonal music: it's painfull to witness and annoying to listen to; at first it was a bold way of inventing and discover new stuff but now you find people only listenning to that and shitting all over the golden era.
What's the next move though? It seems like composers can either shoot to create derivative movie scores or shit on a piece of staff paper and hand it to a string quartet to play for the academics to jerk it to.
The problem is that the community that actively listens to classical music and attends performances is divided into two categories: The audience who only listen to the Common Practice Era composers and shut off anything past Ravel or in rare cases Janacek, and those who pop a boner when something with quarter tones or no meter is performed.
Frankly, I think classical is dying, if not dead and strung up to dance for people who want to feel "cultured", but I'm still holding out for something to happen in the next 20 or so years.