/lit/ - Literature

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjcOK2T0lPo

Stuff from highschool/college lit magazines, the stuff we usually reject. Seriously, not Finnegans Wake type stuff but ordinary shit where you can just feel the pride coming out of the page. Like the person feels so high for writing something that they forget that they have to pay attention to what they're writing.

>>3339478
>implying it's not just a nice joke

>>3339574

The man's starting to make some serious moves in the academy and certain literary circles with his 'nice jokes'. He's being lauded by some as the author of our generation.

>>3339478
Get out, Tao.

>>3339583
Dubious. I doubt few people think of Lin as a voice of our generation, but you have to admit that there are far more autistic children being born yearly.

He'll get relegated to a sect of "modern writers" not unlike the "New Autism" movement.

>>3339478
Wonderful.

>>3339599

Reading Tao Lin's books in public will get you laid.

We have a very serious crisis on our hands. Do not take what I said lightly.

>>3339611
Yes, but reading the trash of old would get you laid, then. Nobody remembers the trash of old.

It is not a new thing.

>>3339620

You're acting like Kerouac and Ginsberg didn't survive.

>>3339626
Did you ever read Kaddish, by Ginsberg?

Or Dharma Bums by Kerouac?

so much depends
upon

a red wheel
barrow

glazed with rain
water

beside the white
chickens.


Maybe because I can't English properly.

>>3339478
There is nothing pretentious about that at all, it's just a silly joke

>>3339629

Yes.

Yes.

The latter especially is godawful. Kerouac was seriously third-rate.

>>3339635
This became one of my favorite poems. The first two lines are brilliant and desperate, that "upon" just falls from nowhere. It's like a sad, emotional man finding one image that pleases him and investing in it completely.

>>3339583
Don't get me wrong, I think Lin is great. But that particular poem is a nice joke.

>>3339640
Oh my god, I just had to read motherfucking Dharma Bums for a Buddhism course. It was break reading so I have no idea what angle the prof. is going to take on it when I go back and I'm scared he might actually like it.

It would have been just a forgettable travel memoir had he not gone far, far out of his depth with the Buddhist buzzwords (almost all of which I could tell were improperly used anyways from my extremely basic knowledge of Buddhism). He straight up misrepresents some of their most simple beliefs in some parts too. Really an awful, embarrassing slog of a book. I totally agree.

>>3339635
>pretentious
It's anything but really

>>3339583
what is the actual appeal of his writing? can someone quote something I can't find anything on google.

>>3339834
You should learn more about the context.

>>3339875
http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/161218.Tao_Lin

Why can't you? I can.

I remember picking up a Tao Lin book and the first three pages were about how everybody is square except for the unemployed.
Because being broke is cool yo

>>3339478
How can anyone watch that and think it's pretentious? He's taking the piss obviously

>>3339478

that's p. funny, not for 3 minutes but he had to finish it

>>3339943
That shit was trite in the 50s, jesus christ.

definitely tao lin

>>3339943
Which book?

>Tao Lin
>pretentious

If you seen this guy on the street would he strike you as being pretentious? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2BJSV8Q1Yw
pic related, on the other hand, is pretentious personified

>>3339640

I hated the book, alright? I have no idea what it's about, and the writer was clearly on drugs when he wrote it. I mean, it just went on and on and on like it was written in a total hurry.

>>3339974
I did not care enough to remember.

>>3339893
>http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/161218.Tao_Lin
“i recommend the phrase 'pineapple ass”
― Tao Lin

Thanks, mr Lin

>>3339983
If I saw DFW on the street I wouldn't think he was pretentious either.

anything by Tao Lin

>>3339983
>pretentious personified
>double kill

>>3339983
I'd be fucking terrified if I saw DFW on the street.

>>3339834
I'm not going to try and convince you that the fact that the narrator of Dharma Bums isn't all that versed on Buddhism in integral to the text, but let me suggest this:

Even if we assume all the flaws in understanding Buddhism of the narrator's are the flaws of Kerouac's (a bold assumption) doesn't that add some sort of interesting use of the text itself? I mean, to capture this white, American fledgling's attempt to become a bhikkhu and the mistakes he makes along the way?

I'm not saying that's the intent, but the above consideration makes the novel, in my eyes, well worth reading.

>>3339983
yeah, he's not pretentious, just untalented.

>>3339998
No kidding. The man is dead.

Fanfarlo or maybe Hopscotch (Rayuela)

>>3340035
Yes. That was the joke. Gold star.

>>3339890
You should stop blindly worshiping Kerouac

>>3339671
Sorry to tell you this, but you have a shit taste in poems.

Gravity's Rainbow

>>3340006
Use, maybe, but white Americans and Europeans appropriating non-western imagery into their work without knowing shit about it (and exotifying it) is not really an awesome insight to me at this point.

>>3340087
Well, not with an attitude like that it won't be, Mr. Negative.

>>3339991
So, was this dude gay or what?

>>3339635
so much depends
upon

that poem's first
stanza

or else it
wouldn't

even be a
poem

Pretension, for me, is limited to people who are overly concerned with their authenticity.

I see nothing wrong with wandering outside of one's typical diction.

>>3340079
Yes anon, you, the one full of hate for a widely acclaimed poem without giving reason (whilst presumably also being the one who branded it pretentious), are truly a great barometer of poetic taset.

>>3340024
>ohhowIhopethisniggabetrollin'.jpg

>>3340109
Maybe. Anyone remember the thread about the guy claiming he gave DFW a blowjob?

>>3340114
But isn't that required for the definition of being pretentious?
You can't be pretentious if you don't care about the other man's though.
But everyone cares about others, more or less, so you really can't escape that way.

>>3339988
Was it poetry or prose?

>>3339991
I could see Walrus as a mildly important character in an early Gibson novel.

>>3340119
I made the same mistake of assuming he might be gay, inferring it from his writing: his male characters are empathetic, textured, and vulnerable in an oddly appealing sense- whereas the females seem more fragile in an ugly and trivial sense, or callous sexual objects, that serve only to further his male-sympathetic 'argument'.

However I learned through some research that this is because he was a womanizer and, like most male writers, deeply misogynistic.

I see nothing wrong with this, but it's the truth.

My own writings
Provided that I even read them

The only problem with pretentious being such a buzzword nowadays is that legitimately good writers and books that have been critically acclaimed will suddenly become a symbol of shame: as in you might prefer reading Infinite Jest at home rather than on the subway, for fear of people thinking you want to be recognized in some vain and pretentious manner.

In fact, early huge critical acclaim arguably might have destroyed DFW's status as a writer, almost naturally encouraging contrarian critique for the sake of contrarian critique, a baseless repulsion to it or rather repulsion solely based on its popularity.

More and more these days you have those type of people who will stop listening to a band because it has suddenly attained commercial success on the grounds that it has 'sold out,' the same type of people who say I _____ before it was cool/popular.

I was in a bookstore the other day that had a teddybear leaning against paperbacks of IJ, holding up a sign that said "Dave the Hipster Bear would STRONGLY recommend this book" which made me sad.

>>3340115
>widely acclaimed
Only among pretentious morons.

>>3340160
http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-reading-pynchon-on-bus-takes-pains-to-make-cov,3192/

>>3340160
That looks comfy as fuck. 10/10 would wear if weren't poor.

Anything by Virginia Woolf

>>3340184
Woolf will still be read centuries after you've been forgotten, Mr. Lin.

>>3340160
How is this a new thing?
Except for hipster being a popular concept.

>>3340134
I don't really get why being a womanizer automatically makes someone a misogynist. Women wanted to sex with DFW, he obliged. What's the misogyny? Just because a man sleeps around doesn't make him a woman-hater. Guh!

>>3340183
Haha, I know, would wear if a) it was without logos and b) I was without fear of public humiliation. I guess the logos somehow legitimize it beyond being just a bathrobe. Still, this man has giant balls.

One of the poems that I wrote in high school for the lit mag.
I wrote them to be as pretentious as possible and apparently succeeded. Lemme see if I can find one of them.

>>3340207
That's ok, we believe you.

>>3340193
We should organise a slutwalk asking people to touch our dicks while holding up signs with "still not asking for it".

>>3340207
Found one. I have more but here's one:

When the formalin fills the cask of pedantic knowledge

His brain shall commence the phantasmagoria

The ocular specimens dissect the environmental caesura

…

The sidereal boreal canvas

Directs him into fate

Just wait as we pontificate

>>3340210
Are you even reading this thread?

NO OFFENSE GUYS, BUT IF YOU FIND SOMETHING PRETENTIOUS YOU'RE SIMPLY NOT CAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING.

>>3340214
None of your business.

Fuck this thread every time it's started.

Attacking a thing on the ground that it's pretentious is itself presumptuous and faggy.

>>3340160
>In fact, early huge critical acclaim arguably might have destroyed DFW's status as a writer, almost naturally encouraging contrarian critique for the sake of contrarian critique, a baseless repulsion to it or rather repulsion solely based on its popularity.
Or y'know he got overhyped despite his mediocrity because he fitted the mould publishers wanted at the time

>>3340189
One has to first be remembered to be forgotten

>>3340176
>William Carlos Williams
>widely acclaimed only among pretentious morons

You would be hard pressed to find a LESS pretentious poet. He was the American Poet Laureate for Chrissakes. Look, it's okay that your knowledge of poetry does not extend far beyond a ninth grader's comprehension of a few Shakespearean sonnets, but Jesus man, keep it to yourself.

>>3340193
I didn't equate the two ideas or even suggest that one is even related to the other.

One can be a womanizer without being a misogynist, and once can EASILY be a misogynist without being a womanizer (more of a cause-and-affect type relation in this example) but it has been consistently suggested that he is a misogynist.

This is a difficult if not impossible claim to prove, but I'm not sure why this would be so commonly said about him if it didn't have some inkling of truth, like most rumors.

>>3340214
They don't, what happens is slutwalk anon gets irrecoverably put down in one thread so he moves to the next and immediately begins spewing his shit there

>>3340227
Are you the militant feminist who jumps from thread to thread, getting schooled by the kids?

and this bullshit
Following the aberration
Dis-linking all the facts you made
He sucks up all the intestinal tract
Falling in a broken slide
His tendrils catch the white
Soaked in red silk
Succulent as the flesh of a carcass
Better when it's fresh
The warmth is brought every time
With an itch of rashes and hills
The creature crawls and covers itself
As authoritative stance and
Used to cover and cradle in a smother
Like mother and child who other than
They who smother under a broken hovering
Of crass and dismissive rails
This virus bug is unrelenting in its strike against the
Broken cycle underneath the pigment regardless
Of the color or the hesitation of his
Idols and cruciform actions
They creep beneath the silhouette of
Undiscovered trenches who understands that
We aren't allowed advances
Who understands
Who understands our advances
No one but you
The victim eyed by glass coping coats
Those intellectual beards with balded scalps and
Stethoscopes who could never trust or be trusted
Could never love or understand why it is you've come
Under attack and under command of
This broken scaled beast that
Lives within us all and not with in those that grasp
For once you grasp you are the infect
Searching for the nearest victim and lusting
Lust lusting for a new nest to lay your mind an
Image of broken sight for when they learn
They propagate your race

>>3340160
>
In fact, early huge critical acclaim arguably might have destroyed DFW's status as a writer, almost naturally encouraging contrarian critique for the sake of contrarian critique, a baseless repulsion to it or rather repulsion solely based on its popularity.

>implying James Wood's hysterical realism piece didn't do that right away

>>3340219
Unless you have read any of his works in its respective entirety, I have neither the time nor the inclination to enter into a debate with you on the grounds of your argument.

The best thing to do is try, best as you can, to ignore any kind of hype (thought that's sort of impossible). Really great literature/art/movies can be overhyped to a point where the person who experiences it regards it as mediocre, and shit, and cannot for the life of him understand why it is so greatly appreciated. Some people will even go into a Picasso exhibit with an air of "ok so let's see how good this guy REAAALLY is, I mean REALLY" and will feel some kind of weird authority in being unimpressed.

>>3340230
I advise you look up the meanings of militant and feminist if you insist on repeatedly using them, after that I would hasten to remind you that you never did reply in the last thread

>>3340239
hey this is about pretention
not feminism
oh wait

Probably this Dunces book about a fat basement dweller. The author just came across as a pretentious, anti-intellectual hack.

>>3340226
You put them in the same sentence and then added in "like most male writers"
>I learned through some research that this is because he was a womanizer and, like most male writers, deeply misogynistic.

Whatever, you did research or did you read the DT Max book? "Most male writers" sheesh.

Define womanizer? Is it a man who sleeps with many womens? What about a woman who sexes with lots of womens? The phrase womanizer just bother me personally because it implies...

>>3340236
I've read all of them, stop making base assumptions to save you from using the poor articulation skills you are showcasing to defend a writer not worthy of impassioned defense

>>3340241
How can one be both pretentious and anti-intellectual?

>>3340239
I wasn't in another thread. I just saw your post and knew who you were from previous unpleasant encounters.

>>3340221
Did you just insinuate that she isn't one of the most celebrated writers of the last century?

She's pretty definitely canon, if only for her being at the head of the feminist canon.

>>3340245
Unpleasant encounters = 4chan

>>3340244
he railed against multiple academic ideas, whilst viewing himself as above everyone else.

>>3340250
No, I implied that about Tao

>>3340222
one of my favorite Guillermo Carl Guillermo poems:

I gotta
buy me a new
girdle.
(I'll buy
you one) O.K.
(I wish

you'd wig-
gle that way
for me,

I'd be
a happy man)
I GOTTA

wig-
gle for this.
(You pig)

>>3340252
He was following a literary tradition that goes all the back to Chaucer.

>>3340250
>feminist canon.

>>3340255
Sorry, I'm a bit sick.

>>3340263
What are you suggesting here?

>>3340278
I'll answer - he/she is rustling your jimmies. Either you are trollx2 or we all are.

>>3340278
I wasn't suggesting anything, madam. I used that particular pic to try and capture how much I was actually laughing.

>>3340293
>madam
provocative troll shit
Couldn't you be doing something more enriching?

>>3339466
Finnegan's Wake.

>>3340293
(I'm male) Why are you laughing dearest anon?

>>3339583
tao plz go

>>3340303

*Finnegans Wake

>>3340303
I can't even tell anymore that people are trolling with the apostrophe or not.

>>3340310
Maybe he's referring to the Irish folk song Joyce's work is named after, which does feature an apostrophe

>>3340079
lol ok

Foucalt's Pendulum. Uberto Eco pisses me the fuck off, he writes his books so that only the most intelligent people can understand them. He makes it deliberately as difficult as possible for a person to enjoy reading his books, and I hate that.

Literature has many ways of existing. As a masochistic form of trying to show your reader how much better you are than him is a disgusting way to waste your talent. I finished that book and threw it down on the floor and let it get pissed on by dogs.

Why is literature that is enjoyable to read frowned upon? Why can't people who enjoy reading take pleasure in it? Why do some authors feel the need to make crap that is utterly pretentious?

>>3340243
I am sorry for assuming, and now it would just be a my opinion vs. your opinion argument so let's just leave it at that.

Also thank you for making me feel less crazy, I've been feeling like I've had difficulty grasping the right words recently but dismissed it has hypochondriacal.

I have recently broken a compact flourescent light bulb and was worried about mercury poisoning, and apparently difficulty with language is one of the main symptoms.

Hopefully this is not the case...

>>3340344
>I can't understand a book so the book sucks. And nobody else understands it, either, and they must not enjoy it even if they do. Everyone who doesn't like the things I like is reading for status and REALLY enjoys my books.

>>3340357
I understood it, but it had massive amounts of unnecessary parts that were meant to throw the reader off and make it more challenging. I disliked it immensely, and the overall written tone suggested a conceited mind who had no respect for the reader was behind it. That was the message his book gave me.

>>3340344
I loved that book. The whole thing is like a puzzle. It isn't supposed to be difficult to enjoy, I found the difficulty pleasurable. The author isn't supposed to be holding your hand through the text, that's your job as the reader.

Admittedly I can see reader's being turned off by him, but The Cantos are the same way, and they're brilliant. Ulysses and Gravity's Rainbow, too. All of those texts, for me and for many other readers, are enjoyable to read. Typically, I get more pleasure from more challenging works. If that doesn't suit you, there are plenty of easy-to-read Dan Brown novels lining the shelves of your local Barnes and Noble right now. If that's what you can derive the pleasure from, read them by all means. But at least understand that a text written beyond a 12th grade level is not intrinsically pretentious.

>>3340377
Ehhh, sorry for some of my English here, btw.

>>3340377
A good author can make an engaging and excellent story without alienating the reader. Of course I'm sure his goal was to create a book for his academic friends to jerk off over, but it was written in a way to shut out the vast majority of people who might otherwise be able to like it.

I think writing, good writing anyway, can inform as well as entertain. Simply listing mathematical formulas and historical references without any sort of context is just confusing and muddles the plot.

Smilla's Sense of Snow is one of my favorites. I am not a woman, and I have never lived in Copenhagen. But I was able to relate to the character and the plight of the greenlandic people in the novel with the writing Hoeg did, and learned a lot about the culture of Denmark and the politics of that small country.

>>3340160

What counts as pretentious anyway? /tv/ says any film with more depth then transformers is pretensious

>>3340392
But you're already making a lot of assumptions here, that you know what Eco's intention was, who he was writing to, that plot should be linear, that the mark of good writing is being able to relate to a given character, that it's important for the book to inform you, etc.

Besides, I could praise Foucault's Pendulum in an equally shallow way: It's one of my favorites. I am not a man, and I have never lived in Milan. But I was able to relate to the characters and their struggle to create a conspiracy with the writing Eco did, and learned a lot about the history of the Rosicrucians and the politics of the Knights Templar.

Foucault's Pendulum, is a fine book. It's a terribly fun game, and a lot of people, including myself, have gotten more pleasure out of it than we might have gotten from something less demanding, like Smilla's Sense of Snow.

>>3340419
Well of course someone was bound to enjoy it, and you probably hate many of the novels I can read. His book is not as widely enjoyed as others and if he continues in the vein of writing he wrote that in, is doomed to obscurity.

>>3339482
Bet you were fun to work with.

>>3340344
I hear Dan Brown writes some pretty entertaining books along the same lines if Eco is too difficult for you

I think Jonathan Franzen is kind of a pretentious douche in terms of his nonfiction writing.

Especially since he basically wants us to all kill ourselves so he can go birding. I wouldn't mind, but I a lot of that leaked into Freedom.

>>3340513
>Great
>American
>Novelist

2 out of 3 ain't bad and it's about all I'd expect out of Time Magazine.

I think there is overall not much qualifying as really pretentious. If anything in cases, where it is apparent that the author himself seems not quite sure what he is writing (e.g. Did not do the research), and it is only there to make the author look smarter (oh, heavens forbid, cooler).

But if he did do the research and it makes the text a bit more demanding, why not?

>>3340428

Not being widely enjoyed or less widely enjoyed is by no means an indicator for pretentiousness.
I mean, how many people would call anything past twilight-tier pretentious, due them being unable to handle the difficulty?

anything by Vonnegut. seriously.

>>3340428
>if he continues in the vein of writing he wrote that in, is doomed to obscurity.

This is a wildly unfounded assumption. His books are not widely enjoyed because you don't enjoy them? What? He's a New York Times Bestseller, kid.

Besides, you said yourself that only "his academic friends" would appreciate it, but guess who decides what the canon is? Ezra Pound's The Cantos are by no means widely accessible, yet they've survived through the decades, where other, simpler, less-thought out works have vanished. I'm afraid if anyone's being pretentious here, it's you.

>>3340344
The Name of the Rose is much better than Foucault's Pendulum in my opinion.

>>3339466
Pnin. The whole book is 'I make a shitload of money doing what I want at Ivy League schools, fuck you'.

>>3339635
>Getting mad over William Carlos Williams
What the fuck, /lit/?
that is one of his worst poems though

ITT: People that don't understand what pretentious means.

>>3340590
Remind me how it ends again

>>3339991
Is there a full video of that gif?

>>3340866
http://youtu.be/6ga3oT_AZe0?t=5m59s
Warning, it contains him awkwardly failing to hit on Zadie Smith

>>3340590
Seriously? But it's about an out-of-place, awkward man who loses his teaching job and then disappears forever. (Also, the author avatar is explicitly portrayed as a bit of a dick, and someone who Pnin dislikes enormously.)

>>3339671
>making something out of nothing
first picture in the thread

>>3340890
>making something out of nothing
Welcome to anyone reading poetry ever

>>3340890
>>3340894
If it's something the reader feels and it's supported by the poem, it hasn't come from nothing. Sometimes a poem is simply the right words to agitate a response from the reader, not a universal and measurable experience.

>>3340931
the salt in our farts

>>3340931
Green has the prowess to write adult fiction but he settles for the easier to please + easier to sell alternative. I think he then dilutes his ideas and skill to an extent which results in a melodramatic/pretentious style.

>>3341009

Doesn't matter. Got paid $$$.

>>3341009
Also organized the whole nerdfighter crap to mobilize his dollas. I mean, what do you expect from a youtube celeb, integrity?

A generation of young kids in the art world who are chronically afraid of being seen as pretentious..

Why do you even bother with art then? You don't have the creative drive to take risks and push boundaries.

>>3341334
DFW is the guy who ruined it all for those kids.

That pretentious try-hard was the epitome of what they fear.*


*Except within the hipster culture, who fears no ridicule.

>>3339583
Vice Magazine isn't the academy and those losers are the only ones talking about him.

>>3339478
It's almost as cringe inducing as that interior semiotics thing.

>>3339893
>"“Life, people learned, was not easy. Life was not cake. Life was not a carrot cake."
lel so randumb

>>3341353
wow like a shitty version of family guy writing

Man I love how accusing a famous writer of pretension ends in a bunch of undergrad Stockholm Syndrome about how someone "doesn't get" a book. There's no professor here to impress you toadies, so relax.

It's quite possible to understand a difficult book and still detest it and everything it stands for. Shocking, I know!

>>3341369
>2012
>Still hasn't heard of Stanley Fish
Pls go.

This whole concern over pretentiousness fad has to die. Who gives a shit. It just sounds like a bunch of little bitch Holdens whining about 'fakes'

>>3341374
Insincerity runs pretty deep in western culture actually, Holden Caufield be damned.

>>3340087
Maybe you should get better acquainted with Edward W. Said then.

>>3341369
If you're that understanding why don't you know what pretension is?

>>3341385
lol

>>3341371
>namedropping

lol

>>3341385
A book can be difficult and pretentious at the same time. Or even difficult because of its pretensions. Don't accuse me of not understanding something when you clearly don't understand my post.

>>3341389

>>3341383
Do you tell people to get better acquainted with David Icke in your spare time?

>>3341405
Wow JIDF psyops much? Icke even rhymes with kike.

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>>3340000

>>3341390
I understand your post perfectly well, you're trying to get off from criticism of your opinions/get others off who share such opinions by generalising everyone who disagrees into the mould of a brainwashed undergrad.
You don't stick around for a unicyclist who can't get on a bike in the first place so I feel to see how that shitpile of a contribution deserves proper critique when it isn't as much an opinion as an unveiled insult from you, the person who has gone beyond and above the university undergraduate stage and yet still feels that such a dismissive and lazy criticism as pretentious is remotely valid or even accurate in literature.

>>3341411
Check 'em.

>>3341420
What is expressed in this post is incorrect.

>>3341416
>I understand your post perfectly well, you're trying to get off from criticism of your opinions/get others off who share such opinions by generalising everyone who disagrees into the mould of a brainwashed undergrad.

The hollow kneejerk condescension applied to any negativity toward "great works" tells me all I need to know.

>it isn't as much an opinion as an unveiled insult from you,

How perceptive!

>the person who has gone beyond and above the university undergraduate stage and yet still feels that such a dismissive and lazy criticism as pretentious is remotely valid or even accurate in literature.

Sure, accusing something of pretension is overused as a substitute for actual criticism.

Yet still, there are justifiable cases of pretension to examine that the usual lit crit circling of the wagons and refrains of MUH CANON don't/can't really engage. I see no reason why a reader should forgo passing judgement on a work just to please someone's ego or, god forbid, their fucking career.

Anyway, replace "undergrad" with "fanatic" if it makes your credentialism feel better.

There was a guy who posted a link to a website, which redirected to other random websites (Mediafires of some unknown bands' unknown and shitty EPs, random blogs with either nothing on them or the content is years old and hasn't been updated, etc.), but there was one that caught my eye. It was a single link all alone at the bottom of the page that said "Hipsters Pencilcase", so I clicked it and it was a pastsebin of a story/diary entry of a hipster having tea at a cafe in some obscure town. There are long diatribes about how coffee is shit and chai tea is the best and all that, but then at the end, he kills his androgynous girlfriend. *shrug*

>>3341427
Keep asserting everyone who isn't you is the equivalent of indoctrinated, it's really helping you come across as reasonable and sensible

>>3340243
Stop lying on the internet. You don't read. /lit/ doesn't read!

>>3340263
>canon
Really nigger?

>>3340595
In other words, business as usual here on /lit/.

>>3341369
>Implying professors are ever impressed by their students.
I hope you haven't been licking too much ass.

>>3341405
Only on /lit/.

"The Book Thief" by Markus Zsusak.

Trying desperately to be the next Vonnegut, and failing hilariously.

>>3341464
Well done, you're the first person to use pretentious properly in this thread

>>3341369

>Stockholm Syndrome

Please don't use phrases without knowing what they mean. It just makes you look stupid.