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It's possible to train yourself to better remember your dreams. Usually this starts with recording what you remember in a diary every morning.

>>3318771
>When are we going to be able to record our dreams?
we can, if you practice

start a dream journal, and eventually you will be able to remember many dreams every night and in great detail

you will even become able to control them, these are called lucid dreams and are scientifically confirmed as legitimate phenomenon

I dreamt last night of riding on an underground traincar into some enormous campground run by an incredibly flabby institutional apparatus somehow themed to Pynchon's 'V.' A redhead I used to real-life crush on several months and states ago was riding in the cart there with me, though we didn't know each other. We began to make out and feel each other up, not quite getting to the good stuff as the train rolled in to camp. A haze of activity and later I find her in a gymnasium. She asks me to come join her in the locker room. In heat and ready for a fun little dream-trist (I'm half-aware this all is fake now), I scurry right on over to a group of picnic tables, trying to catch her trail among the scattered heads of twenty-something females. I find her after searching for what seemed an age, she's there just sitting on a table, can of gasoline in hand and smiling at me, asking if I'm ready. She starts to pour the stuff on my leg, I pull away. She douses the other campers, feverish, excited. I'm running far and fast away as she holds that evil smile. She sets the place to flames and I wake up stiff with morning wood, in need of a cigarette I won't get to have for weeks.

>>3318821
>not quite getting to the good stuff
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

every fucking time, i always stop before then

only successfully had sex once in a dream

>>3318821
8/10 would read

>>3318838
I only ever get raped in my dreams...Usually by monsters.

>>3318838

I've fucked in my dreams a few times, but it's never natural and always pretty hazy.

>>3318875

You might just be a submissive person. Or you might need to see someone.

>>3318875
you need lucid dreaming so you can control this

>>3318881
lucid dreaming makes me nervous.

>>3318791
>>3318819
Have a dream journal. Did that for a while, started it back up again. It's just... you can't remember everything and once you wake up... it's really only a matter of minutes, if you're lucky, until it's reduced to it's most rudimentary elements.

>>3318920

That's the point of a dream journal - you write them down IMMEDIATELY after you wake up.

>>3318771
I was under the impression that one could not read text while dreaming.

The source of this is an episode of the older animated Batman series, so believe what you will.

>>3318771
It probably wasn't actually any good anyway. It's just that the internal logic of your dream dictated "I am looking at something amazing and profound" and so that was what you thought of it. The actual text, if it even existed, was just some subconscious lorem ipsum bullshit.

>>3318958
I've heard that too. And people will argue it, but considering that I am starkly aware of reading at the time, and not just remembering reading it, I have my doubts.

>>3318958
>>3318966
I've sat at my computer browsing porn while dreaming before. It made me mad too because I'd usually find something really amazing, and be just thrilled, and when I was about to beat off to it I'd wake up.

>>3318979
Better than trying to jerk one out and then suddenly you're in the middle of a party or people keep interrupting you, or you're in a room with floor to ceiling windows on every wall. Man, fuck that shit.

One dream, I had a "pull tab to use" tab right at the base of my dick. And then I broke it.

This went on for about two months.

>>3318771
I once dreamt I had a sick ant for a pet and to cure it I went to the ant man (old black bum scuffling around an old subway station) and to heal the end he lit a match and started singen the most beautiful simple song. Which I forgot. Which still bothers me years later.

>dreamt of having seen a poem
>thinks an actual poem was there and not just a concept of a poem
Child.

>>3319095

>thinks its impossible to see a poem in a dream
>thinks we know fuckall about dreams

>>3319096
It is possible, but unlikely. Because for that you will have to write it in a dream, which is even harder than writing it awake.

OP doesn't remember shit, so there is unlikely to have been a poem in the first place.

>>3319104

Why does one have to write a poem in a dream to see one? I don't see how that follows, and I'm not sure where you're getting this information aside from your ass.

>>3319104
What a presumptuous fucker, you are.

>>3319106
>Why does one have to write a poem in a dream to see one? I don't see how that follows
Are you one of those special children or something?

>>3319108
I don't have anything to presume. OP doesn't have a poem, ergo he hasn't composed any and is full of shit.

>>3319110

Are you saying it's impossible to come across a fully written poem in a dream?

Again, where are you getting this?

>>3319110
Not anymore than you. It's a dream. Implying there can only be a poem if you write one is implying dreams have a base logic. They don't.
If you're implying you have to physically write a poem to dream one is possibly one of the most retarded things I've heard in a while.

>>3319112
>Are you saying it's impossible to come across a fully written poem in a dream?
It is impossible.
>Again, where are you getting this?
The concept that dreams can produce new knowledge out of thin air is the one that needs proof. The idea that dreams are just a slideshow of your memories is the currently held theory, and it's likely the right one.

>>3319116
You have to compose a poem or remember one to see one in your dreams.

What the fuck are you talking about? Do you hold a belief that dreams are external or something? Dreams are a function of your brain, they are just a mode of it.

>>3319111
you're adorable.

>>3319117
A poem isn't knew knowledge, fuckwit. Jesus Christ, what is wrong with you?

>>3319117

Nobody is saying any kind of 'new knowledge' is being produced.

The poem could very well be sourced from your memory - why am I even talking to you about this?

I dream of novel things all the time - things I've never seen or imagined, but they could all be conglomerates of different things I've conceptualized.

What the fuck are you saying?

>>3319119
You aren't, though. You sound like an idiot.

Wait a second, you might be a teenage girl. That would prove everything. If you are, pardonnez moi, little miss, go play with dolls or whatever. In a few years, you're going to be plenty ashamed for beliefs you're holding now.

Happened to me with a song.

There was a music box on a small island in the middle of a lake. There was, on the island, a gigantic tree with women encapsulated in yellow fruit-like spheres that will eventually fall and crawl to the lake.
The song was quite tranquil and reminded me of George Harrison.

>>3319121
It's time to stop posting.

>>3319123
>The poem could very well be sourced from your memory
That's called writing it, yes. You have to compose it or remember it tos ee it in a dream.

If OP saw one of his earlier works, he wouldn't have been impressed. If he saw someone else's work, he wouldn't have bragged.

He dreamt of having written a beautiful poem in his dream. But he hasn't. He just really, really wanted to have written something nice, a sensation of which his brain granted.

>>3319126
the women, or the fruit?

>>3318791
>It's possible to train yourself to better remember your dreams. Usually this starts with recording what you remember in a diary every morning.
That's very unhealthy.

>>3318958

I have practiced lucid dreaming for a while, was really interested in it and other forms of self-hypnosis such as memory palaces and whatnot.

Although obviously there are certain cognitive differences between passive experiences and lucid dreams, and between people in general, I have noticed a pattern of incidental numbers and information in general being completely arbitrary.

For instance whenever I looked at a clock it was a clusterfuck similar to hebrew captcha. Locker numbers were random and occasionally shapes, words, or morse code.
These often changed with re-inspection.

However I could conjure and say words on command, write them down if I wished, and upon being consciously transcribed into the scenery, stayed that way until further manipulation. At one point I had a painting in the dreamt library of my elementary school, reflecting my epistemology class, the people within, the trend of discussion, etc.

Once, upon seeing this painting and remembering I was in a dream, I attempted to sodomize one of my previous elementary classmen, but was interrupted by Tom Baker who announced calmly that it was eight o' clock and I simply had no time.

>>3319136
Holy shit, is this even /lit/? What the fuck is with all these New Age retards in here?

>>3319131

>You have to compose it or remember it tos ee it in a dream.

This is such complete bullshit.

If I know of the words 'the', 'cow' and 'moves' I can very easily dream of the phrase 'the cow moves'

In the same sense, I can source my vast array of vocabulary to dream up an original poem.

Look at the above post about traincarts - never in my life have I even ridden on a train, let alone in an open car for carrying coal - I'd never even thought of such a thing - but there it was - novelty, in dreams, perhaps sourced from a pastiche of memories.

Are you being delibertely dense?

>>3319139
>If I know of the words 'the', 'cow' and 'moves' I can very easily dream of the phrase 'the cow moves'
You have to compose it, yes.

>In the same sense, I can source my vast array of vocabulary to dream up an original poem.
You have to compose it, yes.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Is there some cognitive problem? Thinking up a poem is called composing it.

>>3319131
Except I can remember the whole thing, I just can't remember the exact words, except for the last line.
Because I know what I know, and because you can't possibly know it, you're talking out of your ass, and frankly, it's starting to piss me off.

>>3319132
the women, once the fruit-like stuff was mature enough I guess. However, I'm pretty sad I couldn't get that song... not even the lyrics.

>>3319140
>Except I can remember the whole thing, I just can't remember the exact words
I have nothing. You are stupid.

>>3319143
THEN WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ARGUING?

>>3319145
A poem is more than just words.

>>3319147
I'm not. I said that, to see a poem in your dreams, you have to compose it, which is even harder in a dream. The OP likely doens't remember a poem, because there was none, jsut a concept of a poem.

I ahve no idea what that crazy bitch is arguing about.

>>3319143

The same rule applies for coming across the words 'the cow moves' or hearing another person say the words in my dream. It doesn't necessarily have to be composed by me on the spot in my dream.

I'm not 'composing' myself in a traincar. I'm witnessing it. In some sense the entire thing might be a composition, but that's just semantics.

>>3319148
Yes, and he (she) doesn't evne remember the words.

OP remembers a feeling of having composed a beautiful poem. No poem needs be involved, especially since he's "forgotten" it entirely.

>>3319149
Just because you lack the cognitive ability, don't assume others lack it also.

>>3319149

Seeing the words 'the cow moves' on a wall in a dream would be the same thing as 'composing' said to you?

>>3319152
> It doesn't necessarily have to be composed by me on the spot in my dream.
It doesn't. You can remember something you've composed before. But then you're likely to have remembered it.

Are you implying the OP meant to say "in a dream, I've seen one of my peoms written on a wall"?

>>3319154
What cognitive ability? The person arguing with me doesn't even seem to be able to understand that dreams aren't external.

>>3319153
You don't understand.
I remember it. I just couldn't remember it long enough to write the entire thing down. I only remember the last line because I read it twice in my dream.

>>3319156

If I've never thought up the phrase 'the cow moves', but I've thought up the individual words in separate contexts, If I see that phrase in a dream, I'm not 'composing' it. It's a novel pastiche of memory - WHICH IS WHAT A FUCKING DREAM IS

>>3319160
>I remember it. I just couldn't remember it long enough
Oh dear god fuck wow, leave me alone junior.

>>3319164
Isn't all original composition a novel pastiche of memory?

>>3319164
Waking memory works exactly like that. Except it's directed by external stimuli, so it's more focused and consistent.

First dream of 2013: "This shit caught on fire like a fucking horseshoe which melts to this day"

Was a comment on youtube.

This thread went to absolute shit.

>>3319168

Sure. But that's not what you're saying. You're acting like what OP is saying is impossible, when we clearly don't have the knowledge to say one way or another.

You are all sick. People with healthy sleep patterns don't remember their dreams.

>>3319174
>But that's not what you're saying. You're acting like what OP is saying is impossible
You tell me what I'm saying.

It's not impossible. It's unlikely. Proof is: OP doesn't remember the poem. It may have been there, but chances are slim to none.

>>3319175
Where's the fun in that?

>>3319173
It was absolute shit. Thankfully, it's been pointed out, so now it's over.

>>3319175

I'm a heavy cannabis user. I dream vividly every night and usually remember most of it.

When I'm going through withdrawals I remember very much of it

>>3319177
>Where's the fun in that?
You can write actual poems when you're awake instead of dreaming of writing something beautiful and staying an unproductive, sleepy, sickly shit that will never write anything.

That's where the fun's at.

>>3319183
>I'm a heavy cannabis user.
Ha ha, poor bastard.

>I dream vividly every night and usually remember most of it.
That is a simptom of a myryad of crippling illnesses. See a doctor, seriously.

>>3319185
I'm not talking about OP's faggy lovestory dreams, I'm talking about hardcore real MAN dreams

>>3319179

>It's unlikely

Based on what?

Anecdotes aren't proof of anything, especially when they're lone.

>>3319175
Is it wrong to be sick?

>>3319189

I was exaggerating the latter point, but which illnesses?

>>3319190
Having dreams is 100% healthy. You can't have the useful sleep phase without dreaming. But remembering the dreams after you wake up is a symptom of poor sleeping habits or illness.

>>3319191
>Based on what?
Based on modern science.

>>3319192
>Is it wrong to be sick?
Of course not. Nobody cares.

>>3319194

Cite that modern science that says it's unlikely to come across novel language in dreams

>>3319174
that was my first post in the thread

>>3319193
Google it. Do you have free health care in your country? Book an appointment with a doctor. Reasons may range from bad sleeping environment (noise, lights, uncomfortable bed) to serious illnesses like brain disease.

It can also be a secondary symptom of heart disease, respiratory disease, rheumatitis et al.

>>3319205

I've got bronchitis, so that may be it.

>>3319203

Sorry, then.

>>3319199
>it's unlikely to come across novel language in dreams
It's very likely. Thinking up stuff in dreams is what your brain amuses itself every night throughout the REM phase.

But writing a poem is too complex a task, so it's unlikely. You can't focus long enough, and memory is strictly short-term. Before you compose a second stanza, you've forgotten the first one. Composing a line, repeating it for quite awhile, and remembering it, together with a sensation of having written a whole, is the most common case.

Repetition of patterns is common in dreams.

>>3319209

I fucking hate bronchitis. I get about three times every year - I've recently stopped mouth-breathing though so hopefully it'll stop happening so often.

>>3319210

I see what you're getting at now.

>>3319216
I'm not getting at it, I've been stating it outright from the get-go.

>>3319210
Yeah n1 Coleridge m8

>>3319222
What?

>>3319214

That sucks - do you have COPD?

I'm a daily smoker of cigarettes and marijuana so the withdrawals have been killing me way more than the bronchitis - it's the first time I've had it and it's fucking me up. I hope I never get it again.