/lit/ - Literature

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>>3095508
This thread is about literature. Please stop shitposting.

You have to admit, no matter how shrill and obnoxious a liberal you are, that conversation made you groan REALLY hard

>>3095518
When chamber of secrets first came out(2002) I was a teenager so I didn't notice. I re-watched it a couple months ago and proceeded to cringe pretty thoroughly.

Because conservatives haven't yet realized that racism and bigotry are neither legitimate opinions or a worthwhile basis for policy.

Until you figure that out, we will continue to bitch at your fearful, ignorant asses.

>>3095528
Liberals try so hard to push the "if you don't like subhumans and homosexuals you're just SCARED!!", but nobody really buys it.

>>3095528

you are the cancer that is killing, respectively, literature, entertainment, society, Western Civilization, and Humanity.

I wish death on you.

>>3095528
Hehehehehehehehe.. good goyim.

>>3095528
CONSERVATIVE NOT RACIST

Racism out, conservatism in

>>3095542

anti-racist = liberal.

there is no escaping this.

>>3095543
Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to "assimilate," i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I'm not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem? And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn't object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

>>3095532
>>3095533
>>3095536
>>3095542

TROLL CONVENTION.

Western liberalism, which is not communism, and is not social conservatism, and which has a hypocritical lip-service relationship with socialism, is our political zeitgeist. Conservatism is the ruling "reaction" to it, and as a reaction it is prevailing. The problem with all this is that within our culture both the zeitgeist and the main reaction to it are really illusory.

But I know people who realise this, who are liberals, who still lobby hard for Obama; which is perhaps unobjectionable as praxis, but that is really the whole of their political activity apart from tiny causes (gay rights etc).

getting drunk as shit is an important part of my political belief system

>>3095550

You're operating under the initial fallacious idea that the idea of 'white race' has any actual meaning, when it doesn't.

Melting-pot intermarriage/breeding does not in fact equal genocide. Your arguments are faulty attempts to justify your own fear and insecurity. Try basing an argument off of logic and critical thinking for once.

>>3095532

I actually saw a study recently had showed a correlation between authoritarian parents who made made their children both more conservative and fearful. Children with more lax parents were liberals.

>>3095553
Liberals are filthy slaves.

Slave morality is created in opposition to what master morality values as 'good'. Slave morality does not aim at exerting one's will by strength but by careful subversion. It does not seek to transcend the masters, but to make them slaves as well. The essence of slave morality is utility: the good is what is most useful for the whole community, not the strong. Nietzsche saw this as a contradiction. Since the powerful are few in number compared to the masses of the weak, the weak gain power by corrupting the strong into believing that the causes of slavery (viz., the will to power) are 'evil', as are the qualities they originally could not choose because of their weakness. By saying humility is voluntary, slave morality avoids admitting that their humility was in the beginning forced upon them by a master. Biblical principles of turning the other cheek, humility, charity, and pity are the result of universalizing the plight of the slave onto all humankind, and thus enslaving the masters as well.

>>3095552
trouble is im not really sure the white supremacy stuff on 4chan is trolling

there are many threads on stormfront about how they want to make 4chan and reddit second homes from which they spread their ideas

>>3095556
>You're operating under the initial fallacious idea that the idea of 'white race' has any actual meaning, when it doesn't.

Yes it does. People of European descent.

Interbreeding is not a concerted, intentional, forethought plot to destroy the culture of people of european descent, tho

and if you think it is, you dumb as hell

>>3095559
>parents teach their children that bad choices have consequences
>omg SOMEONE CALL CHILD SERVICES ON THOSE EVIL AUTHORITARIANS!!!

You're why society is decaying.

>>3095567

And we, in America, are so clearly this bastion of pure white European-ness.

Idiot.

>>3095570
Just because you're a blind sheep doesn't mean it's not happening. Most people are just part of the herd though, so don't feel too bad.

White countries and ONLY white countries are being forced to assimilate millions of non-white immigrants.

Africa for the Africans. Asia for the Asians. White countries for EVERYBODY.

>>3095577
We were, actually. This country was founded by white Europeans.

Keep up the insults though, champ, it shows how desperate you are.

>>3095571

You say 'decaying,' I say 'moving out of pseudo-Christian morality.'

Teaching a child responsibility and consequence is not the same thing as teaching a child homophobia and racism.

>>3095581
Children are born racist. Study after study proves this.

Are you seriously denying humans are ethnocentric and demonstrate tribal behavior? I'm waiting for the "b-but my empirically false tabula rasa :((("

>>3095578
Yes, and we allow this because we are morally superior to the chinks and the mudraces, and we can rub it in their faces.

>>3095578
well, really, there's two claims you need to prove here: first that this is happening and that immigration is destroying Western European culture, and second that it is happening as part of an intentional, forethought plot with the aim of destroying Western European culture. if you can prove both claims, you would have a good case for calling it genocide. unfortunately, the first claim is dubious at best - since assimilation by its very nature does not involve the destruction of the existing culture- and the second claim fucking absurd.

>>3095580

Okay, we were founded by white Europeans.

Oh, wait, shit, we've already started mixing breeds there, since, you know, Europe isn't one race.

The 'white race' is a fallacy perpetuated by pseudo-science thrown out by people who are terrified of anything different from them. Your entire belief system is founded on ignorance and fear.

Or did you actually believe eugenics was a legitimate science?

>>3095582

Whoa, children are born stupid?!~ Shocking revelation

>>3095582
Children are also born shitting their own pants.

>>3095560
I don't need Nietzsche explained to me. Slave morality is something conservatives and liberals both share.

>>3095585
> first that this is happening and that immigration is destroying Western European culture

A United States Department of Justice report which surveyed homicide statistics between 1974 and 2004 stated that of the crimes surveyed, 52.2% of the offenders were Black, despite making up only 12% of the population.

This is ignoring rape statistics or illegal immigrants, the fact that non-whites are much more likely to be on food stamps, etc etc.

>second that it is happening as part of an intentional, forethought plot with the aim of destroying Western European culture

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jl-OJJVAEg

>if you can prove both claims, you would have a good case for calling it genocide

Guess this debate is over then. That was easy.

>>3095592
Nope, traditional conservatives are textbook master morality.

>>3095581
>You say 'decaying,' I say 'moving out of Christian morality.'

you are correct, those are the same thing

>>3095567
Has absolutely no biological meaning. Anybody can do taxonomy.

The non-arbitrary line for separating different kinds of life is species (the lowest meaningful division within biological life): the ability to produce fertile offspring.

Race doesn't mean anything in scientific fact. We are all homo-sapien sapiens.

>>3095589
>>3095590
>get proven wrong
>attempt to move the goalposts

Seriously, just stop embarrassing yourselves.

>>3095594
That has to be one of the most hilariously transparent political cartoons I've ever seen

>>3095600
>Race doesn't mean anything in scientific fact. We are all homo-sapien sapiens.

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeCQKHt9Yt8

Please educate yourself, you are extremely misinformed.

>>3095594
frankly, a bunch of poor people committing a bunch of crimes doesn't matter, in terms of the stakes we've laid out. that's fundamentally a problem of law and order, not a problem of immigration or anything like that. it's a problem whose remedies lie within the very familiar storehouse of classical western political thought.

and i hope you won't object if i regard a single youtube of an interview with one swedish dude who's in favor of multiculturalism or w/e as proof of a concerted, intentional conspiracy to promote immigration as a means to the end of eliminating Western European culture

because that is fucking crazy, and you are fucking crazy, and that's the most significant problem of your whole political platform

>>3095594

Ha, that comic.

Yes, there is a liberal guilt complex. It's called 'hundreds of years of systematic abuse of Africans for temporal gain, followed by decades of systematic racism designed to salve our own guilt over what we'd done.'

You can't wash away that kind of debt by being ignorant about it, sorry.

>>3095606
>Yes, there is a liberal guilt complex. It's called 'hundreds of years of systematic abuse of Africans for temporal gain, followed by decades of systematic racism designed to salve our own guilt over what we'd done.'

Keep your retarded American caste-system off 4chan, please.

American 'Blacks' are not related by blood or culture to African blacks, American 'Whites' are not related byt blood or culture to European whites.

The fact that two purely American ethnicities are at each other's throats even while united by a common government should not concern the rest of the world, no more than the 'Hutu' vs. 'Tutsi' idiocy.

>>3095585

Implying assimilation occurs when the minority group is large enough to become a self-contained fifth column.

>>3095596
I don't think so. They're Christians. And conservatism, as opposed to Liberalism, is marked by ideological diffuseness centred around the idea of 'conserving' something, which is in itself a sign of weakness.

>>3095601

> sees legitimate argument pointed out
> better call the person stupid!

>>3095594
So, Western European culture is non-violent? I thought what made Western European culture hegemonic was its violent, conquering, dominant tendency. Surely violent crime would indicate some vitality, rather than decay.

Secondly, that video doesn't prove shit. It's a little chit chat some group interested multi-culturalism had. At no point was there any expression of intent to "destroy Western European culture". Since the holocaust, Jews especially are reasonable to fear the consequences of unchecked anti-semitism. Of course I'm talking to a stormfront regular now, who will take issue with me about the facts of the holocaust.

>>3095610
Conserving something is by definition not re-sentiment. I don't know if you've looked around lately but conservatives don't act similar to Jesus Christ at all.

I'm guessing you're a liberal but also a fan of Nietzsche and the cognitive dissonance this conversation is causing you is extremely painful.

>>3095585
>and second that it is happening as part of an intentional, forethought plot with the aim of destroying Western European culture.

>>http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

Goals of the American Communist party in 1963

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

>>3095607

Oh shit, someone pointed out a truth, better post the Laughing Sluts!

>>3095611
>>3095601
Jesus Christ, the level of discourse on this board is pathetic

>>3095618

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

>>3095618
Do you think that the American Communist Party is the dominant agent behind current American immigration policies?

Because if you don't, their platform is quite irrelevant. And if you do, you're fucking crazy.

>>3095615
>So, Western European culture is non-violent?

Cute attempt at a strawman, kiddo. You or one of your anti-white friends said to prove that non-whites are a threat to society. I think committing over half the murders despite only make up a little over 10% of the population is proof enough. And as I said earlier, that's ignoring rape and other forms of social degradation.

Jews are probably among the greatest preservers of western culture compared to white trailer trash who listen to hip hop and drink coca cola while prating about "multi culturalism" while the capitalist globalists are raping them.

>>3095624
Most college professors are extremely far-left, so naturally all of the kids get indoctrinated by the heirs of the Frankfurt school. Look it up.

Communism is good though

>>3095628
so you're a crazy idiot

rad

>>3095632
>insults in place of a coherent argue

Typical liberal.

>>3095628
Haha. And do you think Obama is a closet communist too?

>>3095633
There's a point at which there's no point in making a coherent argument because your interlocutor is so far divorced from reality as to make it pointless.

That point is the point where you claim that the American Communist Party is the dominant agent in controlling American immigration policy. Because, seriously, if you're just going to completely ignore all reality, there's just no point talking to you.

>>3095607

>>3095634
Why do liberals feel the need to construct strawmen constantly? It just reeks of desperation. I guess it's because I have systemically destroyed all arguments put forth in this thread so easily.

>>3095638
epic le reddit meme bro

This is just icing on the cake for the stereotype.

>>3095617
There's no point trying to guess my political stance and talk about cognitive dissonance. I'm neither a liberal nor a conservative, nor would I refer to myself as a "fan" of Nietzsche. Are you a conservative who is trying to adopt Nietzsche contra liberals? I know people who've done similar things, they ended up being Nietzscheans sans politics.

No, conservation can be an act of ressentiment. As for modern conservatism, it is nearly never ideologically pure, and nearly always the assignment of resentment to a global object for personal failings. Just listen to conservative discourse.

>>3095639

Oh man, I love it when the trolls bust this one out. It's the fucking hydrogen bomb of trolling.

This guy wasn't even part of this thread until two minutes ago.

As much as I'd rather read literature discussion than /pol/ shit, these threads are undeniably entertaining in how badly /pol/ posters embarrass themselves.

>>3095643
Actually I made this thread, but nice attempt to label me the "outsider", it's a typical liberal tactic when intellectually cornered.

>>3095639
It's funny, because you are doing exactly what you are complaining about.

>>3095604
That youtube video didn't refute my position at all. You're just dumping a bunch of links you have saved on a notepad.

You must prove that what wer are seeing are different species of humans in order for me to consider race as a biologically meaningful description. Not sub-species, not "breeds", none of this taxonomy bullshit that carried over from the 1700s before we knew about evolution.

>>3095628
But you are implying there is a direct causal link between and ideological faithfulness from modern professors to some obscure and probably insignificant manifesto which the American communist party produced during the 60s, and that that still is the living "Elders of the protocols of marxism" for contemporary communists, which is absurd. And by pointing that out, I am not taking sides at all: I could be for your naive intentions so partisanly that I am willing to critique their terrible and uncritical expression. But don't thank me for that. Instead call me an agent of the Communist Jewish Black Agenda.

>>3095647
Race affects fat distribution, height, eye size, lip size, susceptibility to disease, muscle density etc etc etc.

It's not a "social construct" like your humanities teacher taught you. I know liberals aren't used to thinking for themselves, but at least give it a shot.

>>3095645
That's just embarassing, if this actually was you. "I won this argument already, lol" is the mark of someone who has no clue how to have a reasonable discourse.

Which sounds like a conservative to me. (See? Example of NOT a reasonable discourse.

And if you're a troll trolling me for pointing out the original troll? 10/10, sir.

>>3095649
I like how this picture uses cereal meme guy as liberal strawman, lol.

>>3095649
"Race" is a word that whose meaning is socially constructed. Your problem with the humanities is a metaphysical problem: is there a correspondence between language and something that is not language, that is a thing - an "object" (although this too is merely a word), or a thing in itself (alas, another word!), and so on...

>>3095651
Just skimmed over your post and found nothing even remotely resembling a coherent argument. Given up already? I don't blame you, liberals usually aren't very good at debating beyond mindless name-calling and talking points they got from their professors or MSNBC.

>>3095649
You're begging the question. You're assuming race exists in the first place. A constellation of random phenotypical variations does not make a species.

>>3095654
I can just hear you reading this post and going - what!? - metaphysics? Damn philosophical nonsense. We have a "race war" to win! This is the difference between contemporary racists and their more philosophically sophisticated forebears.

>>3095649
Yep, that comic about sums conservatives up.

Your entire platform is based off of conscious and subconscious greed, hate and fear. Lobbing pictures and claims of my stupidity at me isn't going to change that.

>>3095658
AMEN SISTER!! I get so pissed when people point out different dog breeds.. THEY ARE ALL THE SAME FREAKIN SPECIES STOP DISCRIMINATING!!!

lol sorry i go off on tangents im a little random thats just who i am

>>3095660
>>3095654
Define "reading". Prove that you can read. What do I use to read? Prove my mind exists. Prove I exist.

Define exist. We cannot move this debate forward until all these conditions are met.

>>3095658
Although I agree with you, you're begging the question as well by assuming a "species" exists.

>>3095663
man. like.

if you really want to claim that there are differences between races - then i'm not sure that you want to go with those examples of the two races. because if my choice is between a weasely politician giving a speech, and a group of proud warriors defending their land as a group, I know which one I would rather emulate.

>>3095665
The concept of 'species' is pretty well-defined by comparison, actually. I recommend studying biology.

>>3095655

> Troll leveled up!
> Troll wants to learn Strawman Argument. But, Troll already knows four moves!
> Delete a move to make room for Strawman Argument?

>>3095528
Discimination is a sign of intelligence.

>>3095669
>if my choice is between a weasely politician giving a speech, and a group of proud warriors defending their land as a group, I know which one I would rather emulate

Proof that anti-racist is code for anti-white.

>>3095672
I'm going to pretend you typed 'discrimination.'

Yes, it is, if you mean 'ability to discern if something is better.'

If you mean 'illogical hatred of a race or social group is a sign of intelligence,' then I'd like you to tell me your definition of intelligence.

>>3095676
You set the terms, and defined what you thought of as the highest examples of each race, not me.

If you want to pick a more admirable example for the white race than whatever weasely shithead Brit you picked there, be my guest; but until then, I'll prefer the proud warriors, and I think that's the more conservative choice as well.

>>3095669
The 'weasely' politician, because they earn more money and live a more comfortable life?

>>3095676
> modern comic
> characters still drawn in racist caricature

Yeah, you're not a neo-Nazi at all.

>>3095670
So is race. Look up genetic testing, champ.

>>3095683
What cowardice. What a bourgeois way of looking at things. And you call yourself a conservative?

>>3095678
The ability to discern a culture or person is better than another.

As opposed to braindead egalitarianism. Face it, niggers be dumb.

>>3095667
That's not absurd at all. I imagine though that you think philosophical reasoning applied to anything is a hilarious reductio ad absurdsum.

I agree in part but not with those specific conditions. I think that is a useless and unrigorous starting point. I think it would be better to start from a critique of pure reason.

As for your methodological strategies: Definition, moving words into specific, de-fined (surrounded by borders, the latin etymology gives us a concrete idea of what this abstract terms means), areas, is useful. But definition on its own is not enough: defined terms need to be analysed: analysis, viz. separating terms into the smallest divisible linguistic and philosophical (philological) parts.

>>3095685
What I am saying is that there are much clearer categorical distinctions between species than there are between races, for obvious biological reasons.

>>3095687
You're not even trying now. While African "people" walk around with thongs and fuck goats, whites are advancing civilization.

>>3095670
Yes but you're confounding "pretty well defines" with "it exists." You were really impressive before when you pointed out the petitio principii, now you're starting to show your STEM shallowness.

Europefag signing in.

The fact that people in America can argue that an education from a university is something bad, sums up the entire problem in America.

>highest education you can get
>fuck dat, education is for pussies, usa usa usa usa

>>3095688
If white people were systematically abused, enslaved and marginalized for generations, they'd be stupid, too.

Don't believe me? Look at the way the 80's and forward consumer generation is headed.

>>3095695
Nobody said it was bad. But when colleges become a codeword for "far-left indoctrination center" then it's a problem.

>>3095694
That's hardly impressive, Anon.

>>3095692
And what good is that? It lets a bunch of fools make a bunch of speeches, it lets a bunch of brain-dead slobs work a lot of office jobs. While the Africans remain proud warriors - while they still live meaningful lives - while they still remain in touch with their TRADITIONS - and what is the point of your so-called conservatism, if it has no regard and no admiration for tradition? Proud white civilization - lets a bunch of bourgeois cunts live half-dead lives in identical suburbs and work half-dead jobs in identical office buildings. Truly, something to be proud of.