/lit/ - Literature

>tfw /lit/ isn't a board about films

>>3088521
>tfw when /tv/ is really shitty and full of serfs

Yeah, he was a total douchebag. He said that no one ever influenced him and that all other styles that aren't his own are shit. He was a rather close-minded guy. And his films are garbage anyway. Too minimalistic and real life for me. People can get that at home, in the street, or even in front of the movie theater. They don't have to pay money or waste their time to see a slice of life.

>>3088534
and /lit/ will be too if you keep posting off-topic shit here.

>>3088549
Leave me alone and just avoid this thread if you don't like it.

>>3088563
No.

OP couldn't agree more. Watching his films is as close to a 'cathartic experience' you're likely to find in cinema. His films are so beautifully shot, with such tenderness and an understanding of the human condition, He shows us terrible cruelties and abuse (Mouchette, Au Hazard Balthazar) in a way that manages to avoid being sentimental.

This line's for Robert Bresson.

>>3088563
Delete your shit thread cunt.

>>3088513
>who was never influenced by anyone
impossible

did bresson even read? what a pleb

I understand the influence, and I understand what it's about, but I don't understand why?
I'm afraid I'm watching his movies trying to feel any type of attachment, or even interest for the characters and their reasons, but in the end I find myself 'understanding' but not really 'caring'. I can't express it well because it's more about 'feeling' a film, but I'll make an example: the scene with the little girl and the cat in Satantango was a million times more significant to me than Mouchette, I can't say why but it just was.
What would you say I'm doing wrong while watching Bresson, or is it just a matter of subjective taste?
What would you consider his best film? (I've seen mouchette, au azard, pickpocket and the devil probably)

>>3088584
But that's what he said!

>>3088591
Goddamn, that scene with a cat was fucking horrible. Bela Tarr is a horrible director anyways, what's the point of his films?

Of course, there will always be people who will like this. But I wonder why would anyone make a film like that?

Like every Tarr's film, it has no story and relies strongly on atmosphere, which doesn't do much for me. Why would I want to watch characters doing nothing or performing their mundane, everyday activities like eating or taking a piss? Why would someone make that thing when there's real life already? What's the point of such a movie then? And long shots are really pointless and stupid. At least with Tarkovsky they have a sense of narrative purpose, and look beautiful, but what's Tarr's excuse?

>Wiki
>Influenced
>French New Wave, Andrei Tarkovsky, Michael Haneke, Jim Jarmusch, the Dardenne brothers, Aki Kaurismäki, Paul Schrader

>>3088575

>>3088539

But he portrayed day to day life in such a way that you were forced to acknowledge its beauty. How often do you walk or drive about truly acknowledging the true majesty of life? I know i rarely do. It takes an artist like Bresson to open our eyes to that, if only for a few hours,

>>3088603
Yeah, he influenced all those people, but not a single film or director ever influenced him. What a genius!

Who gives a shit about Bresson.

Dreyer was infinitely more superior.

Order > any Bresson movie

Who gives a shit about Bresson.

Dreyer was infinitely more superior.

Ordet > any Bresson movie

>>3088602
this is what I mean, people have such different points of view... Everything you said of Bela Tarr films, for me is the opposite.

>>3088608
could you make an example of this 'beauty' I'm supposed to see? I'm not one to miss this sort of thing in films, but with Bresson, I just can't see it

>>3088513
>never influenced by anyone ever in his life
Uhhh not quite sir, nonetheless he's a cool dude

>>3088627

Off the top of my head, one scene in Au Hasard Balthazar when the local boys sneak into the garden where the girl has been dressing up the donkey with what is undeniably such love, and then go on to attack the donkey whilst the girl is helpless to do anything but watch, and learn of the cruelty of man.

That may not strike you as beautiful, and of course my quick outline of the scene does no justice to the film itself, but i think profound emotions like sadness can be beautiful.

Another example, more appropriate to your question, is the opening scene of the same film. With the Schubert score, the soft focus panning of the lush mountains, the innocent pleasure the children get from the donkey,,,,how often do you sit down and see that, and i mean really see it.

My 2 pence.

What's his best film, OP? Where to start?

>>3088674
thank you.
I don't think I would have missed such nuances but it's been so long, I don't really remember the scenes you depicted. I guess in my head, I compared it with other movies that also had such harrowing scenes (not overly-dramatic either) and in general, it falls into middle of the road... beautiful, but not mindblowingly, breathtakingly beautiful. I don't know what that is, but remembering the movies they sound better in words than my experiencing them. They certainly aren't bad, but Bergman and neorealists were doing the same thing, in a different way.

go talk about your boring movies on >>>/tv/

>>3088712
Not OP, and apologies for being so rude, but I'd strongly advise you start with Pickpocket. It's fairly fastly paced compared to some others, and leaves you with that feeling of potential existential freedom. if that makes sense? As if, I make my own rules, there is no god, no justice. Kindda makes you feel good, almost enough to turn off pc and go outside.

BTW, it's loosely based on Dostoevsky's Notes From Underground. Maybe reaaad that first. it's only short and would take an hour or 2 on project gutenburg if you've not got it.

>>3088731

Name 5 less boring movies.

A Man Escaped, Diary of a Country Priest, and Mouchette are masterpieces. Anyway, since this is a literature board, can any of you recommend some film related lit? I have both volumes of Bazin's What Is Cinema?

>>3088712
Diary of a Country Priest
A Man Escaped
Pickpocket
Balthazar
Mouchette
Four Nights of a Dreamer
Money

All masterpieces, watch in that order.

>>3088625
>Dreyer
Nope, he believed in God, anyone who can believe in that utter bullshit is not worth bothering with.

>>3088799

Theory of Film by Sigfried Krakauer. Amazing and underrated.

>>3088799
You could try reading the novel Mouchette.