/lit/ - Literature

"Give her the syphilis."

>>3035796
inb4 new meme

>>3035813

Seems as though /lit/ has a minor obsession with Nietzsche. Every time I browse this board there's a thread or post about him.

>>3035835
nietzsche is the go-to philosopher between angsty teens

“One must still have chaos in oneself, to give birth to a dancing star.”

>>3035864
>tfw when someone reposts your OC

"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you."

Yeah, I've come across it in a game. Well, sorry. I find it very neat because I'm sure the world sees me as a monster and always presumes to look into me. People love to declare "you're just sick!", I have lots of specific ideas about what's going on in their twisted heads. They seek to slap me with cookie cutter stories of ways in which I'm bad(eg. the ass burger) for various petty reasons.

>>3035843
Would that make Adler that sort of go-to angsty psychologist? *cough* catcher in the rye *cough* Though rank was supposedly a bigger nietzscheian.

>>3035868
I saved all of the ones from that thread, but I don't get very many chances to use them.

>>3035875
I started that thread, I'm pretty proud of how well it turned out.

"I am not a man, I am dynamite"

>>3035832

the one where he likes Islam

I don't know how much truth there is to this but didn't his sister rewrite/wirte much of what we credit to Nietzsche?

On the other hand I must second "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster."

>>3035875
You didn't save my Freud blingee ;_;

'I might got syffilis, but i'm still a genius'

>>3035835
He's in the top 3 of most important philosophers ever.

>>3035835
According to which list, excactly?

>>3037970

His sister manipulated and invented things at the end of Nietzsche's life. Only at the end and after his death.

>>3037970
The will to power was collected by her.

The books published in his lifetime couldn't have been tampered with since they were in the public domain already.

>>3035835
He's probably the only philosopher enjoyable to read... And one who talks about things relevant to people, not just scholars.

>>3038065
Yoy're joking, right, please say you are.

>>3038065
Not the original guy, but why do you say "relevant to people"? How is other philosopher's work not relevant to people? Also, don't you think you could somewhat be confused about what is in fact relevant to people? For example, the work of the Quantum Physicist may seem irrelevant to an uneducated person, however, to an educated person, it is very relevant. I do not mean to offend you, I just find it strange that people find Nietzsche relevant but not the work of, say Kant or even Kripke. If you think about it, Kripke's philosophy of language and metaphysics is more "relevant to people" (if I take this in its usual sense) because we constantly use language, whereas, we do not constantly reflect on our emotions.

>>3038113
>implying anyone gives a shit what any analytic philosophers have to say with their formal logic based circle jerks

And physicists aren't people.

I actually saw the loch ness monster when I was 9. She was big as a house. Want to know who the loch ness monster is? It’s your obese mother. Burn motherfucker. -Friedrich Nietzsche

>>3038113
I tried reading kripke, was typical boring analytic poo.

I wear lampshades on my head and stand in people’s living rooms. They’re like ‘Billy can you go turn on the light?’ and I whisper ‘You mean turn on the Friedrich Nietzsche’ *chortle*

-Friedrich Nietzsche

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>Nietzsche
>visiting Scotland

I don't think this quote is genuine :/

>>3038113
>implying Kant is enjoyable to read

>>3038134
how do you know it didn't visit him?

I told you man, I TOLD you about staring into the abyss!

Morality for physicians. — The sick man is a parasite of society. In a certain state it is indecent to live longer. To go on vegetating in cowardly dependence on physicians and machinations, after the meaning of life, the right to life, has been lost, that ought to prompt a profound contempt in society. The physicians, in turn, would have to be the mediators of this contempt — not prescriptions, but every day a new dose of nausea with their patients. To create a new responsibility, that of the physician, for all cases in which the highest interest of life, of ascending life, demands the most inconsiderate pushing down and aside of degenerating life — for example, for the right of procreation, for the right to be born, for the right to live.

Pity stands opposed to the tonic emotions which heighten our vitality: it has a depressing effect. We are deprived of strength where we feel pity. That loss of strength which suffering as such inflicts on life is still further increased and multiplied by pity. Pity makes suffering contagious. Under certain circumstances, it may engender a total loss of life and vitality out of all proportion to the magnitude of the cause (as in the case of the death of the Nazarene).

Critique of the morality of decadence. — An "altruistic" morality — a morality in which self-interest wilts away — remains a bad sign under all circumstances. This is true of individuals

Let us consider the other method for "improving" mankind, the method of breeding a particular race or type of man. The most magnificent example of this is furnished by Indian morality, sanctioned as religion in the form of "the law of Manu." Here the objective is to breed no less than four races within the same society: one priestly, one warlike, one for trade and agriculture, and finally a race of servants, the Sudras.

And again the breeder had no other means to fight against this large group of mongrel men than by making them sick and weak. Perhaps there is nothing that goes against our feelings more than these protective measures of Indian morality. The third edict, for example (Avadana-Sastra I), "on impure vegetables," ordains that the only nourishment permitted to the chandala shall be garlic and onions, seeing that the holy scripture prohibits giving them grain, fruit with grains, water or fire.

At the bottom of all these noble races we cannot fail to recognize the beast of prey, the blond beast splendidly roaming around in its lust for loot and victory. This hidden basis from time to time needs to be discharged: the animal must come out again, must go back into the wilderness,—Roman, Arab, German, Japanese nobility, Homeric heroes, Scandinavian Vikings—in this need they are all alike. It is the noble races which left behind the concept of the “barbarian” in all their tracks, wherever they went. A consciousness of and even a pride in this fact still reveals itself in their highest culture

In the Latin word malus [bad] (which I place alongside melas [black, dark]) the common man could be designated as the dark-coloured, above all as the dark-haired (“hic niger est” [“this man is dark”]), as the pre-Aryan inhabitant of Italian soil, who stood out from those who became dominant, the blonds, that is, the conquering race of Aryans, most clearly through this colour.

These regulations are instructive enough: we encounter Aryan humanity at its purest and most primordial; we learn that the concept of "pure blood" is very far from being a harmless concept. On the other hand, it becomes obvious in which people the chandala hatred against this Aryan "humaneness" has has become a religion, eternalized itself, and become genius

And that man is good who does not overpower, who hurts no one, who does not attack, who does not retaliate, who hands revenge over to God, who keeps himself hidden, as we do, the man who avoids all evil and demands little from life in general, like us, the patient, humble, and upright”—what that amounts to, coolly expressed and without bias, is essentially nothing more than “We weak people are merely weak. It’s good if we do nothing; we are not strong enough for that”—but this bitter state, this shrewdness of the lowest ranks, which even insects possess (when in great danger they stand as if they were dead in order not to do “too much”), has, thanks to that counterfeiting and self-deception of powerlessness, dressed itself in the splendour of a self-denying, still, patient virtue, just as if the weakness of the weak man himself—that means his essence, his actions, his entire single, inevitable, and irredeemable reality—is a voluntary achievement, something willed, chosen, an act, something of merit.

Mankind does not represent a development toward something better or stronger or higher in the sense accepted today. "Progress" is merely a modern idea, that is, a false idea. The European of today is vastly inferior in value to the European of the Renaissance: further development is altogether not according to any necessity in the direction of elevation, enhancement, or strength.

In another sense, success in individual cases is constantly encountered in the most widely different places and cultures: here we really do find a higher type, which is, in relation to mankind as a whole, a kind of overman

DEFENDER OF CRIMINALS

As it acquires more power, a community no longer considers the crimes of the single individual so serious, because it no longer is entitled to consider him as dangerous and unsettling for the existence of the totality as much as it did before. The wrongdoer is no longer “outlawed” and thrown out, and the common anger is no longer permitted to vent itself on him without restraint to the same extent as earlier— instead the wrongdoer from now on is carefully protected by the community against this anger, especially from that of the immediately injured person, and is taken into protective custody

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keep 'em coming chief

Morality is merely an interpretation of certain phenomena — more precisely, a misinterpretation. Moral judgments, like religious ones, belong to a stage of ignorance in which the very concept of the real, and the distinction between what is real and imaginary, are still lacking. "Truth" at this stage designates all sorts of things that we today call "figments of the imagination." Moral judgments are therefore never to be taken literally

: what I hate is its Rousseauan morality — the so-called "truths" of the Revolution through which it still works and attracts everything shallow and mediocre. The doctrine of equality! There is no more poisonous poison anywhere: for it seems to be preached by justice itself, whereas it really is the termination of justice. "Equal to the equal, unequal to the unequal" — that would be the true slogan of justice; and also its corollary: "Never make equal what is unequal." That this doctrine of equality was surrounded by such gruesome and bloody events, that has given this "modern idea" par excellence a kind of glory and fiery aura so that the Revolution as a spectacle has seduced even the noblest spirits.

The source of wrong is never unequal rights but the claim of "equal" rights.
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A right is a privilege. A man's state of being is his privilege.

The fact that someone feels himself “guilty” or “sinful” does not in itself yet demonstrate clearly that he is justified in feeling like that, just as the mere fact that someone feels healthy does not mean that he is healthy. People should remember the famous witch trials: at that time the most perspicacious and philanthropic judges had no doubt that they were dealing with guilt; the “witches” themselves had no doubts about that point—nonetheless, there was no guilt.

A day shall come when you shall see your high things no more,and your low things all too near, and you will fear your exaltation as if it were a phantom. In that day you will cry: all is false

>>3038298
I bet you think his definition of morality is synonymous with ethics
he's talking about cultural norms

>>3038446
>about cultural norms
MORALITY AS ANTI-NATURE
Morality, insofar as it condemns for its own sake, and not out of regard for the concerns, considerations, and contrivances of life, is a specific error with which one ought to have no pity — an idiosyncrasy of degenerates which has caused immeasurable harm.
We others, we immoralists, have, conversely, made room in our hearts for every kind of understanding, comprehending, and approving. We do not easily negate; we make it a point of honor to be affirmers. More and more, our eyes have opened to that economy which needs and knows how to utilize everything that the holy witlessness of the priest, the diseased reason in the priest, rejects — that economy in the law of life which finds an advantage even in the disgusting species of the prigs, the priests, the virtuous. What advantage? But we ourselves, we immoralists, are the answer.

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But even when the moralist addresses himself only to the single human being and says to him, "You ought to be such and such!" he does not cease to make himself ridiculous. The single human being is a piece of fatum from the front and from the rear, one law more, one necessity more for all that is yet to come and to be. To say to him, "Change yourself!" is to demand that everything be changed, even retroactively. And indeed there have been consistent moralists who wanted man to be different, that is, virtuous — they wanted him remade in their own image, as a prig: to that end, they negated the world! No small madness! No modest kind of immodesty!

>>3038465
With their own merely “modern” experience extending through only a brief period [fünf Spannen lange], with no knowledge of and no desire to know the past, even less a historical instinct, a “second sight”— something necessary at this very point—they nonetheless pursue the history of morality. That must justifiably produce results which have a less than tenuous relationship to the truth. Have these genealogists of morality up to now allowed themselves to dream, even remotely, that, for instance, that major moral principle “guilt” [Schuld] derived its origin from the very materialistic idea “debt” [Schulden]? Or that punishment developed as a repayment, completely without reference to any assumption about freedom or lack of freedom of the will?

>>3038462
Yeah, morality as those cultural norms that masquerade as objective truth because they've been legitimated by some god or human authority; he claims to be immoralist because he recognizes the relativity of these norms and the logical error if you were to use them as transhistorical axioms. Ethics is only a subset of the different fields of truth that can make up morality.

That Germany has an ample sufficiency of Jews, that the German stomach, German blood has difficulty (and will continue to have difficulty for a long time to come) in absorbing even this quantum of "Jew"

>>3038478
Oh yes, Nietzsche substitutes the conventions of morality with his own.

What is good?—Whatever augments the feeling of power, the will to power, power itself, in man.
What is evil?—Whatever springs from weakness.
What is happiness?—The feeling that power increases—that resistance is overcome.
Not contentment, but more power; not peace at any price, but war; not virtue, but efficiency (virtue in the Renaissance sense, virtu, virtue free of moral acid).
The weak and the botched shall perish: first principle of our charity. And one should help them to it.
What is more harmful than any vice?—Practical sympathy for the botched and the weak—

>>3038492
No, that was what all thinkers then and prior took morality to mean. Morality as synonymous with ethics is a 20th century development. Also, I can intuit you're probably also grossly misinterpreting the will to power because you probably haven't read Kant and Hegel sufficiently to understand what he was critiquing (e.g., our synthetic unities of apperception engaging in intersubjective relations and the problems therein). This is why Nietzsche is associated with faggot teenage "nihilists," you have to actually know your shit before you read him.

>>3038501
>the will to power
Oh baby.

A history of the “higher feelings,” the “ideals of humanity”—and it is possible that I’ll have to write it—would almost explain why man is so degenerate. Life itself appears to me as an instinct for growth, for survival, for the accumulation of forces, for power:

his Will to Life had to be increased to the
unconditioned Will to Power--we believe that severity, violence,
slavery, danger in the street and in the heart, secrecy, stoicism, tempter's art and devilry of every kind,--that everything wicked, terrible, tyrannical, predatory, and
serpentine in man, serves as well for the elevation of the human
species as its opposite

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Nietzsche says outrageous stuff. I wasn't the one to proclaim it, he did himself. Was he against pity and all forms of sympathy? Yes. Was he against saving the terminally ill, Yes. Did he believe in human progress? No. He believed in a rigid hierarchy. Did he believe in a breeding a "higher" race by the means of segregation? Yes.

continuing.

-we do not even say enough when we only
say THIS MUCH, and in any case we find ourselves here, both with
our speech and our silence, at the OTHER extreme of all modern
ideology and gregarious desirability, as their anti-podes
perhaps?

>>3038527
No, he didn't believe in those things you stupid piece of shit, you're misinterpreting him just like the Nazis because you aren't supposed to swill him down with your AP English knowledge of the humanities

>>3038542
>No, he didn't believe in those things you stupid piece of shit, you're misinterpreting him just like the Nazis

The order of castes, the highest, the dominating law, is merely the ratification of an order of nature, of a natural law of the first rank, over which no arbitrary fiat, no “modern idea,” can exert any influence. In every healthy society there are three physiological types, gravitating toward differentiation but mutually conditioning one another, and each of these has its own hygiene, its own sphere of work, its own special mastery and feeling of perfection.__ It is not Manu __but nature that sets off in one class those who are chiefly intellectual, in another those who are marked by muscular strength and temperament, and in a third those who are distinguished in neither one way or the other, but show only mediocrity—the last-named represents the great majority, and the first two the select. The superior caste—I call it the fewest—has, as the most perfect, the privileges of the few: it stands for happiness, for beauty, for everything good upon earth. Only the most intellectual of men have any right to beauty, to the beautiful; only in them can goodness escape being weakness.

>>3038542
Anthony ludovici and most other interpreters of nietzsche pre-ww2 say otherwise.

You sound like a post modernist, the kind who claim he never believed any of that stuff and was really an enlightened liberal all along... lol

>>3038567
I'm not even sympathetic towards Nietzsche's views; everything interesting he had to say was already said by Hegel. I'm just pointing out the blatant anachronisms and misreading by taking morality to mean something other than those societal norms (which determined one's ethics before the death of God and when the autonomous subject was only a fledgling, not realized by society). And to not understand the will or the will to power (a master-slave relationship, for example, would not be an example of a subject utilizing his power over another because of how representation is concerned; power being the differential element manifest in intersubjective transfers of meaning). I mean you first have to grasp the force/sense dichotomy before you can throw around the word "will." I would've been happy to point out secondary texts, commentators, critics of Nietzsche but that retard bats down everything I write with nonsensical greentext or irrelevant quotes.So I'm out.

>>3038601
I'm interested in any sources you have...

Beatles or Kierkegaard.
Im going down, I need a feex

>Nurse, it is time to change me. - Fred

>>3038492
This is why Nietzsche is a faggot and worshiped by teen genius superstars.

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“Europe owes the Jews no small thanks for making its people more logical, for cleaner intellectual habits—none more so than the Germans, as a lamentably deraisonnable race that even today first needs to be given a good mental drubbing.

In heaven, all the interesting people are missing.