/lit/ - Literature

Read this, and tell me that STEM-majors are all just "walking calculators."

There are STEM majors who are walking calculators and there are liberal arts majors who work at Starbucks. Stereotypes are fun and all, but treating them as fact and if there's some sort of war between arts and science is a bit ridiculous, dontcha think?

>>3029937
Liberal arts majors are bourgeois plebs with fake educations

>some sort of war between arts and science is a bit ridiculous, dontcha think?
No

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crisis_of_European_Sciences_and_Transcendental_Phenomenology

>>3029937
nope

my son is a STEM major and can also recite Cicero.
Accurately, too

>>3029942
>hundreds of trillions of other proles

hahahaha 10/10

>>3029944
i once met a woman who wasn't a total bitch

anecdotes don't prove the rule

>>3029944
your son is a faggot and you need to stop lurking an undergraduate homework help board when your testosterone production levels reach 30% of their youthful peak

>>3029946
and everyone who makes a sweeping generalization is a fool, right?

>>3029948
Ooooh, such a tough guy. When's the last time you talked to a woman who wasn't related to you?

>>3029952
>that feel when you imagine someone's dad writing limp-wristed insults to teenagers on 4chan and responding in detail to their trolls

>>3029944
Aside from the fact that Cicero was a novos homo, that he himself and his turgid works are the ne plus ultra of latinitas plebum, your shown's career choice only demonstrates his fecklessness, whether or not he has rote learned himself through the cultural milestones you have frustra set him, which are mica salis.

>>3029955
that;s most of the fun

>>3029959
>"your shown's"
so much for the attempt to appear erudite, eh?

>>3029961
he made a typo

you made a failure (hint: it's your shown)

>>3029962
Well, he also uses the plural of plebs when it should have been singular and latinitas instead of latinitatis
Oh, and I love how being well-educated means 'failure' to you

>>3029961
Non scivisti si tantum, ater plebs, parvum mendum esset aut eruditio facete fuisset.

>mfw a liberal arts major didn't have a job near me
Reading is pastime.

>>3029975
>credis quantum tibi non arte Latine

>>3029975
>credis quantum tibi non arte Latine

>>3029973
Isn't the greatest typo "novos" rather than "novus" homo? I don't know if there's some era-specific fagitas going on but someone should point it out.

>you will never sing the wrath of Achilles with your qt classical scholar gf

>>3029984
there is plenty of fucked up to go around in that post

>>3029973
Te rideo, ater plebs.
Non opus est scribendum genitivum cum Brittanniae lingua eum "illius" parata.

>learning a dead language when you could have learned math

>>3029984
Maioris latinitas est.

>>3029983
Quid est?

>>3029984
There's no typo at all there, putting the Latin into the gentive after the English genitive is tasteless.

>>3029973
There's no prescription in grammar for the singular or the plural, both mean different things and carry different rhetorical nuances.

>>3029989
>Dicas, scribo tamen ipso de iis

>>3029995
>tu tamen irrideat doctissimum?
So, a Latin major is mocking someone else who is studying engineering and speaks Latin because...?
Are you jealous? Or just dim?

>>3030011
Quod es non tenuis, sed sum eleganter, et litteris Latinae et Brittanniae litteris profecto.

oi u latin m8s are pretty cheeky fooks arnt ya m8s

>>3029942

>pure nerdiness

>>3030021
>quid vocationem habetis? habetis uxore? Erit vos umquam filios habeat? An tibi erit appenditis vita vestra scripto Latine?

>>3030013
Quod dixit falso.

Quod ars autem mihi est odio sua.

>>3029924
> STEM major was a walking calculator

STEM majors don't do any 'calculating', you idiot.

(Thinking that STEM is about 'calculation' is as retarded as thinking that liberal arts is about winning spelling bees.)

>>3030027
Quare et vos oderunt eos? An tibi videri puer?

>>3030025
Did you use an online translator? "Erit... habeat." Lol.

nullam condimentum interdum mauris et euismod. etiam condimentum dolor eu eros

>>3030033
>>3030033
>Latine filius meus discipulus. Nitor.

>>3030037
Tibi nixus barbarissimus mihi.

>>3030025
This is the worst so far. Look at that fucking ugly 2nd person plural and the treatment of future 'sum' as if it were an English copula verb. What online translator did you use?

cras eget leo sapien, non egestas dolor

>>3030050
"Sapien?"

Translation:

Tomorrow the wise lion needs, but poverty is not suffering.

KrYpTiK

>>3030059

please dont haiku my latin

>>3030078
That's not even a haiku.

>>3030030
Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo.

>>3030099
Dorkus malorkus.

All you ofay faggot ass snatches can suck my fat black dick pussy ass bitches .

>my face when a /lit/ major was a barista at Starbucks with the net worth of a 15 year old near me

I'll be enjoying my Masters in Chemical Engineering, thank you.

>>3030147
Good work mocking people who choose to live a life of poverty dedicated to culture and the arts.

>>3030156
Fuck that, I'm in academia for the easy living, being paid to conduct research, and because I'm essentially institutionalised by now.

>>3030156
Good work mocking people who choose to live a life of stress and hard work dedicated to the advancement and well-being of humanity and the well-being of their descendents.

You aren't fooling anyone with your lazy and hedonistic self-centered lifestyle.

>>3030156
A scientist discovers
An engineer utilises and applies
An artist talks about it

Thank you for contributing.

>>3030164
>humanity
> with saving

lol check out this edgy faggot

>>3030164
Your austerity is not impressing anyone, and your apparently 'selfless' devotion to this so-called 'advancement', about which you couldn't say anything positive, wouldn't fool anyone today. This is not as simple as you would like to make it - arts and culture/science, austerity/hedonism, or laziness/hard work, self-centredness/selflessness. I'm doing you a favour by pointing that out, because there is no 'good' arising out of the latter things without engaging in ethical philosophy of the 'art and culture' which belongs to the former.

>>3030164
Looking at that post you just made, who could tell me they aren't worth mocking.

>>3030164
What an absurd philosophy.

>>3030198
>>3030194
>>3030190
>>3030187
>>3030185
samefag

>>3030200
I can't speak for the others, but that last one was not samefaggotry.

>>3030164
>hurr look at my dignity of work, look at how dignified i am

>>3030164
People like you are the reason we live in a world of nihilistic 'last men', who care for nothing more than comfort and safety, and live in perpetual fear of anything disrupting that.

No, john, you are the hedonists.

>>3030202
How is his philosophy "absurd"? What makes yours any more credible?

>>3030212
the belief in progress, the belief that science can solve all our problems, the belief that 'well being' should be the sole goal of humanity

it's pathetic

>>3030215
>the belief in progress, the belief that science can solve all our problems, the belief that 'well being' should be the sole goal of humanity

Most likely you misinterpreted him -- he was probably simply complaining that people study liberal arts only because they're too stupid or lazy to get a real education.

Which is absolutely true, BTW.

Not knowing math in 2012 is like not speaking Latin in the middle ages.

>>3030215
Studying something like philosophy in 2012 is pathetic. "Well-being" is a loosely taken term. Food and shelter are still the main problem with billions of people, the advancement and betterment of their lives using "science" is infinitely more helpful than reciting Socrates.

>>3030212
I will agree that art progresses, and that selfless devotion will aid that progress, but to what end? What is art trying to become? a better way of communication? is it worth the time it has taken since text was invented until telepathy is for the amount of progress between the two? Even if it is worthwhile, It is the engineer/scientist that creates the medium, artists just use it.

In that case is it the communication itself? Art for educational purposes surely is a great contribution. Except you need science/math degree to teach someone science. I will concede to you the education of children.

How many art students teach children however?
In comparison how many engineers create something that makes recursive arguments easier?

Art is stagnating.

ITT: Lazy, talentless teenagers. Get the fuck outside, kids. Get a job.
You can write when you are 30.

>>3030215

And why is this absurd? Because you are too weak to realize that there is no teleological purpose of your life and you are too weak to create one for yourself?

>>3030272
>implying there is no teleological purpose of my life
Precongnitive dreams &c. &c.

>>3030250
>implying science ever works toward the commonweal

>>3030278
>Marxism

>>3030282
This is /lit/, not /pol/.

>>3030278
Someone needs to reread the structure of the dominant ideology. I suggest Solidarity (UK)'s what we believe in / what we don't believe in. "The Humanities" serve the boss class just as science does.

>>3030211
>People like you are the reason we live in a world of nihilistic 'last men', who care for nothing more than comfort and safety, and live in perpetual fear of anything disrupting that.
>care for nothing more than comfort and safety, and live in perpetual fear of anything disrupting that.
>This is a modern thing

I like these replies.
>>3030215
>the belief in progress, the belief that science can solve all our problems, the belief that 'well being' should be the sole goal of humanity - it's pathetic

>>3030250

>Studying something like philosophy in 2012 is pathetic. "Well-being" is a loosely taken term. Food and shelter are still the main problem with billions of people, the advancement and betterment of their lives using "science" is infinitely more helpful than reciting Socrates.

First person got torched.

>>3030250

>Food and shelter are still the main problem with billions of people, the advancement and betterment of their lives using "science" is infinitely more helpful than reciting Socrates.

But that's a problem of policy and philosophy. Science has already gotten us cheap materials and cheap food (also marginally poisonous food).

>>3030250
Filthy pleb. Why should I be concerned about what the teeming mass of idiots wants? They are little more than animals who care only about food and sex. By making your aim the fulfillment of these wants, you lower mankind, to the level of americans.

>>3030303
>implying helping those millions of useless eaters and brown people in the third world is a worthwhile goal

>>3030324
This.

We need less brown people, not more. The asians could do with a culling as well.

>>3030303
>First person got torched.
And? It's 2012. No one is going to torch you for saying you don't believe in God. Philosophy is pointless in this day and age, especially since information is so easily available anyway and it's an introspective subject and not something like Aerospace Engineering

>>3030405
Ethics is part of philosophy. In fact, "philosophy" is basically an articulated response to the conditions we are in, whatever those conditions are. You can't "not do philosophy". Might as well study it so you don't do it badly, no?

>2012
>not having a well rounded understanding of all things
>still discussing the subjective merit of one course of study over another

come on guys, trying to grasp at the truth of the universe doesn't have to be an exclusive pursuit. ignorance of a body of understanding doesn't make you superior. learn math and science, philosophy and literature and appreciate each for its merit without valuing one over any.

what happened to the renaissance man?

>>3030445
>without valuing one over any.

>he thinks they have value in themselves

>not joining forces
>not being the unstoppable techno-aesthetic vanguard of contemporary transhumanism

/sci/ and /lit, so much potential

>>3030449

0/10

>notevenmad.jpeg

>>3030450
/sci/ and /lit/ are pretty tsundere tbh

>mfw humanities major throws a tantrum near me

Calm down, man. You can read /lit/ without studying /lit/.

>>3030215
And it's also absurd - and I mean that deep down in the etymological balls of the word, if your Latin carries that far, and then yonder and farther on too, deep into the indological ur-testicle of the word, where Aryan knights ride out at dawn to fire arrows tipped with dead gods from quivers made of scientific religions.

>>3030450
Science and literature have joined forces. It's called "Science Fiction", and it sucks ten thousand dicks.

>>3030156
Stop whining. I'm an engineer that makes a good living and surprise! I also love culture and the arts.
Unlike you, though, I can SUPPORT the arts with donations of money. All the Latin conjugation in the world won't pay the light bill at the opera house.

>>3030531
I was only making a sarcastic gibe at the mockery of people who dedicate their lives to the art. That is not a whine. 'Whine' is, further on top of all this mockery, just more insults leveled at those who dedicate their lives to art.

You know the really weird thing to me, speaking as a scientist who also writes and has published a few short stories, is that the people I know who've read the most, and especially the most in what would be considered "literature" are scientists. It used to be a joke that a lot more sci majors understand Sophocles than Lit majors understand Pythagoras, but while that may be true, it pales beside the number of lit majors who barely read anything. I have lots of friends in the literary filed, writers, editors and educators, and I've been in their offices and houses, and what i find is that while in general their bookshelves are pretty well-populated, they seem to lack quite a few of the books you'd think would be there, and which all the scientists i know have. Books as esoteric as Boethius' Consolation of Philosophy, and as commonplace as Moby Dick seem to show up in the scientists shelves a lot more commonly (and more well-thumbed) than they do in the literary types. Now, scientists also seem to have a lot more books of all kinds than literary types do, so there'll be shelves of science fiction, and heaps of murder mysteries beside Boswell and Huck Finn, but that sort of goes to my point i think; catholicity of taste isn't the same as tastelessness after all. And the books the lit people choose are as likely to be trendy fluff--maybe more likely-- than the scientists choices. And as in the old joke, the CRC handbooks and th Difco manuals aren't going to be there beside the DFW. Just saying. And no educated person has used plebeian (which you're using incorrectly) as an adjective since the eighteenth century, even ironically.

mfw /lit/ was the easiest board to troll near me

>>3030606
So? Nowhere there I see any reason to think studying lit is bad or unimportant, just that your "literary types" friends are idiots.

>>3030712


Not trying to imply that studying literature is bad or unimportant. Just pointing out that in my experience scientific types are often better--or at least more widely--read than the literary types I know. I don't think they're idiots either just a tad --provincial, maybe.

>>3030655
you're getting trolled right now

>>3030011

Sed rutrum lectus et mi mollis porta non ut eros

>>3030250
>We don't have time for a humanistic education while there are still pressing problems like overpopulation and starvation and war

>I know, I'll fix everything by drastically increasing overpopulation even more and then making bombs and weapons for imperialist governments

>Good thing I never got that humanistic education, or I would have known why this is a bad idea

Science solves absolutely nothing but complacency and self-satisfaction for the uncultured white middle-class.

>>3030859

Isn't that what literature does too?

Also, it's only a perspective, declares no universal truisms for anything other than the ever-increasing technocracy that is watering down existence, intellectualism, and creativity. Also, science is inherently racist, if anything, only mocks the "third world" in an incredibly patronizing and illusory fashion.

In other words, science is a religion.

>>3030864

Yeah, if you read NY Times Best Sellers and shop your literature at supermarkets.

>>3030866

>complaining about science on the internet

oh the ironing

>>3030879

there are good and bag aspects of the natural science and the cultural baggage it carries with it.

>>3030859

Okay, how does science, or for that matter the liberal arts, "solve" complacency and self-satisfaction? And assuming these things to be compelling problems, isn't solving them a good thing? And exactly how does science even address these issues, let alone "solve" them? Write more clearly please.

>>3030859
>Science solves absolutely nothing but complacency and self-satisfaction for the uncultured white middle-class.

I bet those negroes in Bronx really hate Diphtheria vaccines.

>>3030941

Anything to keep them "in place" and present a false sense of stability and altruism

>>3030920

You're a fucking moron.

Science is dealing with truth and facts in an enviroment that tries to be as objective as possible, while philosophy is just meedling around with human relationships in a certain time period.

Back in the day it was perfectly fine to fuck a 13 year old, now it isn't, in 200 years who knows? But rules of nature in our world (which on the grand scale is really a trivial place) and the Universe will go unchanged.

I am not saying that philosophy is superfluous, but this "science is for mechanical nerds" attitude is promoting selfishness and intellectual stagnation.

>>3030955
>Science is dealing with truth

See, here's where a good Humanities education would have stopped you from saying ignorant bullshit.

>>3030958

Go on, babble on how "truth" is subjective.

>>3030959

Take your kitschmongering elsewhere, prick.

>>3030959
Burden of proof is on you, bro! Prove something!

Seriously, anything.

>>3030952

>"Science solves absolutely nothing but complacency and self-satisfaction"

Okay, then, what do YOU think this means?

>>3030966

Idk, I was just rambling on about singular nonsense that translates to equivocal misrepresentation; which is to say, everyone's "everything."

>>3030965
Truth is the undisputable information that we can gather using our sensory system and deviced who exceed our sensory system. Science works to get as near as possible to undisputable information and tries to creates devices that allows us to do so. (for. ex microscopes, telescopes).

Science is proven wrong when new, more precise information is gathered. Philosophy is proven wrong when a large group of people (in the scale of nations) changes their mind.

>>3030958

What is science, then?

>>3030974

There is nothing that isn't disputable, that isn't a matter of historical context, or that cannot be reinterpreted through means of perspective. Science is nothing but a sheer Eurocentric political pyramid-scheme devised to assuage the needs of the consumer-capitalist agenda. Based on your "logic," 95% of the universe is entirely unknown, rogue, and obscure. In conclusion, science has helped us better understand roughly 5% of the universe, at the expense of over a century of oppression and ignorance. Congratulations.

>>3030974
>Truth is the undisputable information that we can gather using our sensory system and deviced who exceed our sensory system

There is no such thing as indisputable* information

>>3031004
intersubjective sharing of inductive reasoning about observed physical phenomena

also a thing that has caused the world population to multiply sevenfold in two centuries, the vast majority of those people being either subsistence agriculturalists who live below subsistence levels, migrant subsistence wage workers, or industrial labourers supporting the top 10% of the population, which has turned "being too fat to live without professional medical care" into the biggest epidemic in human history, invented bombs that could exterminate all life on earth ten thousand times over as a direct consequence of the aforementioned industry, and obliterated the enlightenment's neoclassical humanist values in favour of a half-literate bourgeois and their demi-literate prole underlings, who have turned conspicuous consumption into the last great pastime of the human race

>>3031019
This is a good post.

>>3031019

What would be your ideal version of science?

CS major

I get the worst of both worlds. The uncultured plebs of STEM majors and the retards of Liberal Arts majors. Does any major have worse people than CS majors? Other than philosophy of course

>>3031019

What you're describing has its roots in "the enlightenment's neoclassical humanist values." Philosophically speaking, I think these problems may have deeper roots than you realize.

>>3031019

Does that mean you would place an engineer who builds wind turbines and hospital equipment and an engineer who builds atomic bombs on the same ethical level, for the reason that both take part in what you call science?

Do you place Stephanie Meyer on the same level as Homer because they're both "literature"?

>>3031009

I told you what truth is in theory. A scientist's goal is to get as close as possible to that information.

>>3031044

Gentrification is so "ethical."

>>3031044

Lay off him, man. He's helping the world by reading Pynchon in his room.

Just because application of science has caused unfavorable, doesn't mean science itself is unneeded. Sure it helps all those AIDS-ridden negroes in Africa and the Chinese who wouldn't care if we made the Ozone layer into a holey blanket, if it made an extra buck. People are generally selfish, they would abuse anything.

>>3031078

I did not even mention gentrification.

On the other hand, most STEM subjects have very few female students which means they haven't been intellectually polluted to cater for their needs.

>>3031094

Was implied by your schlockmeister aesthetic

>>3031019

This is nonsense: the standard of living for the people at the bottom of the socioeconomic spectrum has never been higher, and the agricultural output of the major food-growing nations is sufficient to feed twice the current population at current levels of consumption(sadly, we know this because all levels of society waste or discard about half the calories produced, for one reason or another). This on less than a third of the land that was under cultivation in the 1920s. Culturally, socially, i can't comment, but as far as nutrition and general health the levels have never been close to what they are now. very major famine of the last fifty years has been of political or economic origin: there's always been plenty of food, and the percentage of the population of the earth engaged in subsistence farming is lower than ever: less than thirty percent, as opposed to ninety seven at the beginning of the twentieth century.

sorry to ramble: agricultural science and food production is my field.

>>3031085
>help AIDS victims
>by progressively turning AIDS into a supervirus
>help people
>through overindustrialization

Science is fine. Scientism is a fucking nearsighted retard. The latter is what we have today. The idea of "human technological progress" as the central goal of the species is basically a runaway relic of Judeo-Christian eschatology, and an immature culture's reaction to nihilism. The values of Bacon and other dudes like him, the forefathers of 19th century scientistic materialism and imperialism, do not fucking apply to a world with global transit times of 12 hours, the capacity for infinite food production, a complete elimination of childbirth related mortality, and lifespans averaging over 70 in developed countries. It's probably a good time to discard this nonsense about "subduing nature" when nature has been reduced to a fine paste on the ground.

Yes, science is the reason we have the capacity for long, comfortable lives. But scientism is the reason only a small percentage of the world enjoys those things, and at a dire cost to everyone else, or everyone if WW3 breaks out over access to ozone-depleting oil reserves so that you can drive your fat ass to a service industry job and supply overpriced coffee to meaningless functionaries of an aimless state.

>>3031019
>intersubjective sharing of inductive reasoning about observed physical phenomena

Why is this so hard for people to grasp? It seems modern science is more concerned with disproving any metaphysical phenomena than examining the physical ones. This is probably symptomatic of being raised in devout protestant households or by militant atheists.

>>3031085
>People are generally selfish

Why is this argument so attractive to people?

>>3031100

Wow, you're fucking out of it, man.

>>3031106

You're holding it down right now.

>>3031098

>2012
>ad hominem

>>3031109

No, this is absolutely fact. I've been on the ground with it in most of the world. Production levels of grains, pulses and nightshades have never been higher, or less costly in terms of percent nitrogen/acre and phosphate use. And loss to insects (in the field at least) has never been lower even as an index of pesticide effectiveness per acre. There's more food than ever and it's cheaper. This is easily verified, and as far as I know nobody denies it.

>>3031106


It's coal that hurts the ozone; specifically hydrogen sulfides and such that are liberated when it's burned. And the effect isn't all that bad, though it can also cause nitrogen oxides which can be worse, though still not too persistent. And the sulfur components have an incredible cooling effect on the atmosphere, far greater than the warming effect of the carbon products (oxides and methane) also released.

>>3030606
>scientist
>posting anecdotal evidence
You're just as bad at being a science major as your friends are at being lit majors.
You probably just went to a bad school.

>>3031121

Ah, right.. because Africa and West Indonesia don't count. Maybe we need Bono to drive his first-class vehicle through Uganda as a token of empathy.

>>3031055
They will never get close

>>3031157
Africa and West Indonesia DO count, and in every case, their food production was NOT the problem. Even Somalia only had trouble when most of their growers switched from food crops to cash crops (drugs) because noone could afford to buy the food. The problem was poverty, not famine. They just didnt have the money to buy the food because of the collapse of the socioeconomic infrastructure. It was like America in the depression of the thirties, or the Irish potato famine. the food just got too expensive and they didn't have any money.

>>3031032
>tfw I smugly started to reply before reading the spoiler

>>3031163

Close enough for practical applications. And your side of the argument reeks of solipsism anyway.

>>3031157
There's enough food for everyone but not everyone gets enough food (they like it when you switch the words around).

>>3031183
Implying solipsism is any less legitimate than realism.

MY FAVORITE cultural fuck up that our society propogates is the myth that the humanities are somehow more "Creative" than the STEM fields. A lot of you may pause upon reading this, but if you have ever designed a piece of technology, written complex code for a new program, or studied the history of mathematics and physics than you know that creativity is needed at a much higher level in STEM fields than humanities.

>mfw STEM majors actually think once they get their bachelors degrees that engineering firms will be tripping over themselves trying to hire some 22 year-old acne-laden SPERGlord

Enjoy your oversaturated job market, fellas.

>>3031214
>oversaturated
>you in charge of knowing anything about the current job market

>>3031214
>bachelors degrees

Serves them right. If you're going to do something, do it right.

>>3031194

This I don't even understand.

In just about every modern famine there's been plenty of food. Food has been rotting in the fields and in the markets for want of buyers, or else been exported because there were foreign buyers with more money. Every day of the Irish potato famine ships carrying irish-grown food left the ports, way more tonnage than would have been needed to feed the populace until the potato crop recovered. And in Somalia, and Uganda and pretty much all of Africa, there were easily available food supplies that were going to waste for lack of buyers. There are famines in Bangladesh: some of the best agricultural land in the world, with the most fertile soil and a year long growing season.and a population density similar to northern California. Productive capacity is not the problem: it's politics.

>>3031210

Scientific creativity, in itself, does not express the human condition. That it is pursued may display the human condition, but no scientific work ever expresses anything human in its scientific subject matter.

It may require creativity, but it is essentially inartistic and droll.

This is coming from an engineering student.

>>3031210

There's nothing remotely creative about technology. Computer programming has nothing to do with creativity either. Continue pleasing yourself and gushing over how much "hard work" you put in though.

>>3031253

Name something truly creative then.

>>3031236

What you're not seeming to understand is that politics and productivity go hand-in-hand in a post-Industrialized civilization.

>>3030606

>And no educated person has used plebeian (which you're using incorrectly) as an adjective since the eighteenth century, even ironically.

I hope you arent British anon, or you clearly havent been watching news.

>>3031261


in what sense are Somalia and nineteenth century Ireland "Post-Industrialized" exactly?

this thread is appropriate for this

>>3031259

I wouldn't, because it's counter-intuitive. Creativity is not meant to be accessible or "understood." It's pure subjective experience.

>>3031290

Not the point here.. more-so that politics and food & health control cannot be mutually exclusive; and a post-Industrialized society only reiterates this.

>>3031298

>>3031311


Okay, I think you mean to say that they're often interrelated with one another in any society, and that in a "post-industrialized" society that would be true too. I guess I can agree with that. What always gets my goat is when people talk about starvation in terms of droughts and crop failures. that's almost never the case. crop failures for whatever reason can drive up prices and decrease availability, but it's very seldom the case that food supplies run out and there's not enough to go around, or none to be had at any price. The truth is we've gotten really good at producing food, and in exporting that knowledge to the third world so they can produce their own food more cheaply and reliably. This has created market agriculture in places where only subsistence farming existed before. It's taken its toll on the rainforest (thanks to organic agriculture demanding more and more marginal land like a rianforest's heavily-leached soils) but in general it has contributed substantially to the health and weal6th of the world's peoples.

>>3031367
That's cool but what do you make of this?

>>3031370
lazy feet doubles

doubles

>>3031370
is her vagina at the front or the back??

dos she have two vagina?!