/lit/ - Literature

>serious Marxist literature

>>3013442
All will become clear.

Go to college.

You should first learn about dialectics efore picking marxist philosophy

And then discard dialectics and focus only on the economic theory because dialectics are bullshit

http://marxists.org/subject/students/index.htm

>>3013442
>2012
>believing Marxism makes at least a single ounce of sense

>>3013517
>2012
>Not knowing about Gramsci

>>3013523

>>3013489
Marxist economic theories - been there done that - there's very little weight in such heterodox economics. To me the arguments are certainly not very cogent let alone objective.

I'm familiar with Marxist historical materialism dialectic and the grand problems with totalizing teleology.

What I am more interested in now are people like Gramsci who have read Marx, basically declared him outdated and have churned out their interpretation (or specifically rather, selective application) of Marxism.

>>3013460
there's a depressing lack of marxism in academic institutions these days

>>3013524
>What I am more interested in now are people like Gramsci who have read Marx, basically declared him outdated and have churned out their interpretation (or specifically rather, selective application) of Marxism

you simply must look into the frankfurt school.
Don't let that scary breivik fellow and his ilk scare you off with their 'cultural marxism destrying western civilization' broo ha ha... I don't think they've actually read any frankfurt school literature before

>>3013520
>implying I don´t know about Gramsci
>implying Gramsci is an exception to what I said above

>>3013517
lol you truly are a oblivious aren't you? of course, it doesn't make sense. that's the whole gist of it. that's precisely why blood has been shed ... because everyone's like wtf did Marx really say!? ... the idea is to accept its untenability as a political philosophy and employ it as a critical tool of analysis.

>>3013537
this.
the continental school of thought and traditions of critique have adopted this route and it's still going strong today.

so yes, you basically stated the obvious Marxism doesn't make sense - where's the fun if everything made sense and there was nothing left to learn anymore, eh?

>>3013571
>and it's still going strong today.

its not the 1980's anymore

>>3013571
You know, maybe I´m just stupid, but I´d rather spend my time with something that makes sense. There´s much more beauty in unraveling the ocean in the shell than trying to fix something that was broken to start with.

>pic related

>>3013585
yeah, i have to admit, it has lost lost traction as rallying cry. mostly marxism resides in academia now - that's what I meant.

>>3013616
and yet still, it's as good a place to start as any.

>>3013616
> i don't like problems

>>3013631

>i think problems can be solved with fantasy bullshit

>>3013524
>To me the arguments are certainly not very cogent let alone objective.
You obviously have a problem with the utilitarian research programme's failure in the 19th century. Do you assume that it is valid to retreat into tautology as "mainstream" economics has done, affirming only abstract models' self-interactions.

Gramsci didn't declare Marx outdated; his reaction to the schematism of the 2nd Internationale's economics was to engage in tactics and strategy, much like our beardy friend Lenin.