/lit/ - Literature

>huMANS
>huMEN
>huMANITY
>humanity as a masculine thing
>woMAN

>man
>men

PATRIARCHY HOW DID THIS HAPPEN

Chairs are male, lists are female, receptionists are male, bottles are male, slices are female, cellphones are male, cellphone numbers are neutral ............

YOU FUCKING RIDICULOUS NORWEGIANS.

>>2879092
Men are made to be sat on.

The problem with having GENDERED NOUNS, YOU STUPID FUCKING NORWEGIANS, IS THAT YOU ALSO HAVE INDEFINITE ARTICLES THAT CHANGE ACCORDING TO THE GENDER OF THE FUCKING NOUNS, AND BECAUSE YOUR SYSTEM OF ASSIGNING GENDER IS SO FUCKING NON-SENSICAL, I HAVE TO MEMORISE EACH FUCKING NOUN'S GENDER.

HOW RIDICULOUS IS YOUR LANGUAGE! VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYY.

lol

< OP's face.

What other languages do this weird shit?

>>2879117
Almost all of them.

What's it like to be a teenager who knows nothing, OP?

>>2879126
So English is one of the least sexist languages in existence? I thought so. Huzzah, England!

>>2879138
It makes up for it by having a massive set of rules that aren't consistent and don't make sense.

>>2879136
it suxxors dude this language infuriates me. it's so fucking easy except for the FUCKING GENDERED NOUNS AND THEIR FUCKING INDEFINITE ARTICLES>

>>2879140
And then breaks them at ever opportunity.

Also English probably has the lease consistent spelling out of any language. The grammar's relatively alright though.

Hey, let me give u a tip OP. You can almost exchange every single female noun for a male noun, ie. "ei sol, sola" becomes "en sol, solen" and it's legal. Just don't do it with things that are explicitly female as a girl or a cow. Sofa on the other hand, fair game.

>>2879166
>Just don't do it with things that are explicitly female as a girl or a cow
You can say "jenten" or "kuen" if you write riksmål! It's weird and conservative as heck, but it's perfectly legitimate.

>>2879172

No, you will sound like a total retard if you do that. You will get away with saying (NOT writing) "kuen" if your a spoiled little brat from west of Oslo or Blærum, otherwise not so much. "Jenten" is just retarded.

>>2879172

And where the hell did you get the idea that "jenten" and "kuen" is conservative?

>>2879179
>if your a spoiled little brat
>your
>not you're

Sorry, gikk litt kjappt i svingene.

Riksmål doesn't even have a feminine form, you fucking idiot. If you write riksmål, it's flat-out wrong to write "jenta".
>I likhet med dansk og moderat bokmål, men i motsetning til radikalt bokmål, nynorsk og alle norske dialekter utenom bergensk, har riksmål bare to grammatiske kjønn: felleskjønn og intetkjønn. Felleskjønn erstatter hankjønn og hunkjønn, og tar på dansk bøyingsmønsteret til hunkjønnsord.
>>2879182
I said it sounds conservative. As in, it sounds old-fashioned and archaic.

>mfw when I speak french and learned latin, greek, spanish and german. English seems like a very weak language in comparison.

>>2879191
are as fluent as a native?

if not then get on my level

>>2879189
>En del substantiv kan likevel ende på -a i bestemt form i riksmål: kua, øya, jenta


OP:
Try learning Finnish, Norwegian is piss easy.

>>2879189

Sorry, I thought we were talking about official written languages, and not unofficial write-however-you-want-languages. Riksmål is not official Norwegian, and thus my point still stands.

>>2879213
>Sorry, I thought we were talking about official written languages
Then you should have paid attention, because I clearly said "if you write riksmål" to begin with.

>>2879226

Look:

>>2879211

I knew I was right all along. Get bent.

>>2879213
>not knowing about the Bokmål/Nynorsk distinction
>mfw

>>2879211
>implying Finnish isn't just random mouth noise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei7zz7jI9eE
See how there is only the appearance of an actual language or underlying structure.

>>2879235

RIKSMÅL, not BOKMÅL. Moron.

All Scandinavian books are impossible to read,
I start them but I can never seem to Finnish.

>>2879430
Oh God that was bad....

just stop right now

lol

>>2879092
You've got it wrong. Likely your textbook is written by some hick.

>The chair: stolen (male)
>The list: listen (male) (your version says lista, which is working class sociolect)
>The receptionist: resepsjonisten (male)
>The bottle: flasken (male) (this can also be represented as female--flaska--in the aforementioned sociolect)
>The slice: skiven (male) (same shit, your textbook is wrong)
>The cellphone: mobiltelefonen (male)
>The number: nummeret (neutral)

Female form is less common than you think. Also your textbook is shit.

>>2879430
Finland is not in Scandinavia.

>ungendered nouns
>gendered pronouns
Yeah, English is totally fucking rational.

>>2879191
>implying English isn't the ultimate culmination of all the languages you just listed.

Taking several years of Latin only made me appreciated the beauty of English even more. Yes it is shit when spoken or read in most places, but I don't think the peasant in Rome were speaking Latin as Cicero did either.

>>2879479

What? Gendered pronouns are only used for legitimately gendered things. Most things will just take the pronoun "it."

>>2879468
>The list: listen (male) (your version says lista, which is working class sociolect)
>The slice: skiven (male) (same shit, your textbook is wrong)

1) WTF is a sociolect?
2) How does a textbook get shit like this wrong?

MFW I'MMMMMMMMMMMMM FURRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSS.

Somebody recommend a decent textbook for Norsk.

>doesn't know what a sociolect is
babby can't into entry level sociolinguistics

>>2879723
Sociolect is to social strata (like class, subculture or demographic) what dialect is to geography

>>2879723
Honestly, just do what >>2879166 says and exchange female for male in all cases except when the noun is obviously female.

>>2879478
It's a joke, don't be a nor-dick.

>>2879710
Yeah, but in many laguages with gendered nouns 'neuter' is considered a 'gender'. Anyway, it is not entirely gender-neutral, because it denotes something as neither male nor female. You cannot say 'it' about a human.
Also,are boats legitimately gendered? The Sun? The state of Israel?

>>2879166
>>2879468
>>2879763

All right, two quick questions for clarification and I'm done:

1) So, upper class Norsemen identify nouns that aren't explicitly female as male?
2) Why/when did this "sociolectic" (sic?) difference between classes happen?

>>2880135
>So, upper class Norsemen identify nouns that aren't explicitly female as male?
Yes. Anyone who doesn't is either the Oslo equivalent of cockney or hail from the rural districts.

>Why/when did this "sociolectic" (sic?) difference between classes happen?
Norwegian is a relatively new language. The sociolect gained prominence following WW2 when the socialist movement received a lot of focus and power.

>>2880146
>>2880135

1) It's not so much to do with class, more with where you come from. This is most notably in Oslo, where people from east of the Aker river usually use more female nouns and people west of the river more male nouns. The reason for this used to be class, as the workers had to settle down east of the river to live in cheaper, smaller apartments/houses closer to the factories. Now it's just more likely to hear the difference due to geography. Sometimes you also have people outside the city who wants to sound more posh by adapting the westside way of speaking.

2) As I said the factory workers had to live in a segregated area due to prices and location. They usually came from outside the city where the influence of Danish where not as deep rooted. People in the bigger cities (esp. Oslo) where more exposed to Danish customs and language and thus their way of speaking became more or less Danish. The upper class often sent their kids to Denmark for better school and "proper" education too. After Norway became independent it was less posh to speak Danish and that way of speaking got a backlash, so the people adjusted the language a little more towards original Norwegian. And here we are today, still influenced by our history.

>>2880146
Cool! Thanks.

There was an interesting study a while back where people did word associations in different languages, and the gender of a word had a strong effect on its associations even for relatively innocuous words. For example, "bridge" is masculine in Spanish and feminine in German, and so in Spanish the associations would be "resilient" or other manly things, the German was "delicate" or "fragile."

I might be getting some of the details off—it may not be of much surprise to some—but it'd be an interesting read if I could find it again.

>>2880194
Germans just build shitty bridges. Spanish-Moorish bridge building master race gonna build the bridge that is humanity from animal to ubermensch. Germans are just jelly, like their unstable bridges.

>>2880194
haha maybe you mean this? Read this shit some time ago, when I was into cognition and language.

http://psych.stanford.edu/~lera/papers/gender.pdf

>>2880410

This post.

Why are my sides moving on their own?