/lit/ - Literature

>Some people say they are the some person

Who the fuck says this?

>>2810166

This.

Also, want to clarify the relationship between the two and the romantics/moderns?

And what do you mean by

>Modernists never rescued Cervantes

>>2810166
Some stupid blogs done by conpiratards

>>2810170
Mike and Willie were antecessors of the ideas of modernism and romanticism respectivly

The thing is that romantics rescued Shakespeare from obscurity and were influenced by him

>>2810187
Shakespeare was not exactly in obscurity before the Romantics came along.

>>2810191
Not exactly obscure, but it was the Romantics who placed him on a pedestal. He was one among many excellent playwrights before their widespread revival, criticism, and praise of his work elevated him to the status even children know of today.

>>2810195
Do you have a source on this? From my understanding in Britain they always celebrated Shakespeare.

>Some people say they are the some person

Wait, what?

>>2810198
Shakespeare wasn't especially well-liked in the 18th century.

>>2810198
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare%27s_reputation#Shakespeare_in_criticism

>>2810200
Google it, if you write "Shakespeare cervantes" on google "same person" is the second suggestion

>>2810198
>they always celebrated Shakespeare.
Not always, and again, the point being that often they celebrated the many Elizabethan playwrights, Jonson and Marlowe often included and not as secondary additions.
I don't have a citation because I don't remember which book on the Romantics I read this in, honestly. I Googled and it's not much help, a bunch of paper mill sites and shit.
http://www.answers.com/topic/romanticism
This link has a single sentence that talks about Shakespeare's admiration growing outside England, some other points about Romantics praising his work, and that's about it.
But Shakespeare's popularity waxed and waned over time and he was seen as a genius amongst many geniuses, and even at times as the lesser, vulgar wit to "refined" talents like Jonson, simply because of his disregard for Classical structure.

>Cervantes and Shakespeare samefagging

I've heard that Shakey and Bacon, or Marlowe, or even King James were all the same person.

This just staggers me that people think this.

This "theory" is a new low in ridiculously stupid lunacy, by the way. We would need a new Shakespeare to coin a phrase worthy of how both mindlessly stupid and completely out of touch with reality you'd have to be just to consider it for more than about 30 seconds.

So /lit/, how man work of each one of them have you read?

>>2810214
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>>2810201
Interesting. I thought everyone though Shakespeare was the shit. Guess I was wrong thanks

This thread is 100% retarded.

Shakespeare read Don Quixote and wrote the play Cardenio, with John Fletcher, about the Cardenio episode in DQ. The play is lost.

Cervantes likely never heard of Shakespeare.

Apparently they died on the same day but that's not true. The calendar Spain was using was off by a couple weeks.

>>2810560
>Cervantes likely never heard of Shakespeare.

This is weird to think about, but likely true.

>>2810245
Don't misunderstand though, he was one of the premier playwrights of his generation. But he was no more famous than many of his contemporaries.

Pope is the one who was always considered a genius.

>>2810166
>>2810200
>>2810219

I thought OP was trying to be funny...Am I laughing at jokes that don't exist?

>>2810871
Everything is a joke at some point

>>2810871
People often say Shakespeare was actually some guy who was not Shakespeare.

>it was a woman, but she had to use a male name
>it was Cervantes because, uh, they were both good writers and died on the same day
>it was Bacon because he was clever as Shakespeare
>it was a bunch of people because no one can be as clever as Shakespeare alone

It's just ridiculous.

Also, every historical figure is said to be gay at some point.

>>2811046
Cervantes died in Madrid on April 22, 1616, but he was buried on April 23, 1616, when it is used to commemorate this death.[20] To honor the date that both Miguel de Cervantes and William Shakespeare died, UNESCO established April 23 as the International Day of the Book.[21] However, Shakespeare and Cervantes died on different days: Shakespeare on April 23, 1616 of the Julian calendar that was used in England and Cervantes was buried on April 23, 1616 of the Gregorian calendar that was used in Spain. Since the Gregorian calendar was ten days ahead of the Julian, Cervantes actually died ten days earlier than Shakespeare, whose date of death according to the Gregorian calendar was May 3, 1616.

>>2811065
I did not know that, interesting.