/lit/ - Literature

stop being pathetic you dumb cunt. death is the preferable option only in the most extreme of circumstances. read the stranger by camus

>>2759469
Already have, considering The Myth of Sisyphus though. Thanks.

Go out with your friends

>>2759487
This.

Or you could go on a date with your g/f.

>>2759487
They have jobs and they're getting fed up of me. Reading is pretty much the only thing I enjoy these days, I figured if I found something it could help pull me out of this slump.

Why don't you try changing your life instead of ending it? If you still wish to die afterwards, go right ahead.

I implore you to consider beginning a weight lifting regimen.

>>>/fit/

Read the sticky and keep at it. You have nothing to lose.

Also, depending on your age, some literature to get you to stop being such a faggot:

>Younger:
Catcher in the Rye by Salinger

>Older:
Hunger by Hamsun
The Stranger by Camus

>>2759496
I've read both Catcher and The Stranger, I will look up Hunger though. Thank you for the advice, I'm walking a lot these days but I'll look around /fit/

Go volunteer to help at a cancer ward, and if you have enough balls tell them why you are there. I don't want to hear any more shit just go do that and let me know when you're back.

Sex

Suicide is never logically justifiable. I would suggest experimenting with psychedelic drugs; from what I can gather from your post you have little to lose. Some of the ineffable things I experience while high remind me that there are things worth living for, if only fleeting and temporal.

>>2759521
>Some of the ineffable things I experience while high

They are called hallucinations, most commonly defined as distortions in perception. If what you want is escapism, OP, then learn buddhist techniques for detaching.

>>2759530
You lack basic comprehension. Have you though about returning to school?

>>2759534
Point out what I do not comprehend.

Aurelius' Meditations

Nothing is going to make you happy. I suggest hedonism.

>>2759538
Describing a state is not equivalent to describing the perceptions themselves. You misunderstand how language works.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ineffability

>>2759540
>>2759541
Nice way to samefag.

>>2759544
Nope. Do you not know how to check?

>>2759544

Hi, newface. Enjoy 4chan.

>>2759546
>Some of the ineffable things I experience while high
>ineffable things
>things

I described the state through which the supposed experiencing of such things happen so as to illustrate how the things seen are not thing that are there, are not things that are real. That is, the altered state produce perceptions that are not legitimate, it produces "thigns" that do not exist. It's just your minds playing tricks on you. It's an intelligent way to convince oneself that dying is not worth it... Looking in one's subconcious impulses for an excuse to live, that is. And using synthetical drugs that produce an alteration in the usual connections made by the brain makes it all the more interesting, since the sensation of "new" and "never before experienced" gives it a flavour of discovery. Hallucinations are not your mind expanding. They are just different arrangements of your limited mind.

"Even after all that rushing around, where we've ended up is the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night.
And maybe knowing isn't the point.
Where we're standing right now, in the ruins in the dark, what we build could be anything."

A lot of the books from Chuck Palahniuk cheered me up.

What I realized a while ago is that the books that cheered me up aren't the ones that end with everyone happy, but with them having come to terms with themselves and their situations and they're alright with it.

It's hope, not conclusion, that's the most comforting.

>>2759589
Not the guy you are replying to, but it sounds like you think perception is ever objective. Sounds like you're really fucking dumb. Sounds like you think reality exists. Sounds like you should go to /sci/

>>2759601
Decent, although very gay.

Read this, OP.

Wenn im Unendlichen dasselbe
Sich wiederholend ewig fließt,
Das tausendfältige Gewölbe
Sich kräftig ineinander schließt,
Strömt Lebenslust aus allen Dingen,
Dem kleinsten wie dem größten Stern,
Und alles Drängen, alles Ringen
Ist ewige Ruh in Gott dem Herrn.

this.
makes you realize how lucky you are to be alive and how amazing it is

>>2759589
You're either a troll or in high-school, but jesus that post is a cluster-fuck of stupid. Go ahead, hit me with the "you just don't have an argument to respond with", I'm not even going to bother with you.

>>2759612
I'm sorry, i didn't state the author

It's a poem by Goethe

>>2759613
sage/10

>>2759616
>>>/sci/

Read Steppenwolf.

The protagonist has a crisis and tries to kill himself, but then resolves not too.

Or, if you'd prefer some Eastern mysticism, go for Siddhartha and learn to listen to rivers, OP.

Either way, Hermann Hesse is your man.

>>2759616
>sage/10
>doesn't sage
Good job, bro.

>>2759620
>to

ftfm

>>2759612
Gay in what regards? Not trying to pick a fight, just curious.

>>2759620
Hermann Hesse is an emotional little bitch. That book is not nearly as good as most of the "oh my god I'm an esotericist" hipsters say it is.

>>2759635
>It's hope, not conclusion, that's the most comforting.
Appealing to hope
Appealing to comforting

That's why it's gay.

Realizing that there simply is no hope is the way. Realizing that what is comforting is merely a painkiller is the way.

>>2759642
Which book?

And judging by your disproportionately angry reply, I'd say it's you who is so given to outbursts of emotion, bitch.

read Charles Fort and realize that anything any Priest, Scientist, or Philosopher has ever written is just ignorance surrounded by laughter

death is not a failure. life is not a success

>>2759646
Ah... I see.

>>2759647
Siddharta.

>>2759653
In what way is Siddhartha too emotional? In what way is it esoteric? Which hipsters are you referring to?

>>2759676
>>2759676

>>2759697
>he wants to vomit it all out in a liberating stream

>>2759704 here
Nice way to delete your posts faggot

>>2759687
That's one of the more interesting ways of losing an argument I've seen.

4/10, try to make less unsubstantiated claims in the future

>>2759705

>>2759687
Why are you posting pictures of a mutilated penis?

>>2759715
>>2759708
It has the same argumentative value of the questions and insinuations.

>>2759720
I'm not sure if you are the same person who called Siddhartha an "emotional little bitch", but that person made the following claims:
> That book is not nearly as good as most of the "oh my god I'm an esotericist" hipsters say it is

Sensing that these claims might be entirely baseless, I was compelled to ask him what qualities of the book were too emotional, what hipsters he was referring to, and in what way the book was at all esoteric.

All of these questions have value. If you make sweeping generalizations and blanket statements about "hipsters" you have to be prepared to be called out on it.

>>2759735
Excuse me, called Hermann Hesse an "emotional little bitch."

>ftfm (again)

>>2759735
Again, no argumentative value. All the lyricism, the fact that the whole book is guided by situational emotional mood, instead of solid, reasonable explanations on what is happening, the decisions taken via mere subjective preference and impulse, etc. The book doesn't even have enough content to comment on. The whole book is just a way to tell a simple doctrine to a five years old child. But then again, all the emotional hipsters who think they are uniquely enlightened oddly relate to Siddhartha. Therefore, its fame rests on the way it is said, not on what is said.

>asking someone to justify wild and baseless claims
>no argumentative value

Yeah, nah you're a cunt.

>All the lyricism, the fact that the whole book is guided by situational emotional mood, instead of solid, reasonable explanations on what is happening, the decisions taken via mere subjective preference and impulse, etc.

Of course the book is guided by situational emotional mood, it's from the subjective perspective of Siddhartha. If that makes the novel bad then To the Lighthouse, Ulysses, The Catcher in the Rye, etc. are all bad novels. However, Siddhartha provides a reason for his every action. He leaves his father because he does not find the ritual sacrifices and ablutions fulfilling him. He leaves the Samanas because all of what they do is only temporary escape and they're oldest members have not yet achieved enlightenment. He leaves the Buddha because he believes that true enlightenment can only come from self knowledge. He takes up business because he wants to love Kamala. He leaves Kamala and the town behind because the materialism of the world has sickened his soul. I could go on and on, every one of his actions is clearly explained and if you missed it then the fault is your own, not the author's.

>The book doesn't even have enough content to comment on.

Yes there is.

> all the emotional hipsters

Again, who are you referring to?

You still haven't explained how this book is esoteric. I have a copy in front of me and the front cover refers to it as "his [HH's] most famous novel." Maybe your vocabulary is a bit lacking, but fame and esotericism don't exactly go hand in hand.

>>2759793
>the decisions taken via mere subjective preference and impulse

I never said THE BOOK is esoteric. I think it is you who have to learn how to read.

>>2759798
>ignore all points

If you don't consider the book esoteric, then you'll have to explain to me which "emotional hipsters" do.

You know, the ones whose existence you still haven't validated.

Can I take from your lack of response that you've conceded that there is actually a clear and accessible logic laid out in the book which explain Siddhartha's actions? Or do you take objection to any of my assertions, because I can quote them if you'd like. In Siddhartha's own words in fact.

>>2759812
I never ignored your points. It is you who are ignoring my points.

>>2759812
Also, until you learn how to read what I WROTE, I'm not arguing with you.

>>2759824
I have addressed your every one.

You claimed that the narrator's actions are illogical and based solely on situational emotion. I have provided you with several instances in the novel which clearly contradict your claim. If you do not find my assertions are valid, select at least one of my examples and I will provide you with a quote from the protagonist explaining the logic behind his decision.

Also, please point me to a claim of yours which you have ignored.

>>2759835
They do not contradict what I said, they validate my point.

MARCUSE

>>2759835
>which I have ignored
ftfm.

>>2759829
Come now, there are far more graceful ways to surrender.

Adorno: Minima Moralia.

>>2759614

Yeah Goethe is great. OP you should definitely read The Sorrows of Young Werther.

>>2759841
I'm not arguing with someone who's debating his mental ghost of my words.

>>2759838
>the whole book is guided by situational emotional mood, instead of solid, reasonable explanations on what is happening
>point to several instances where the narrator himself provides solid, reasonable explanations for his actions and what is happening in the book
>"this validates my point"

>>2759845
Read Prometehus first. Then read Werther.

God.

>>2759851
Peace be with you!

>>2759847
>point to several instances where the narrator himself provides solid, reasonable explanations for his actions and what is happening in the book

I take you are a woman.

>>2759859
Nope.

I take it you are retarded?

>>2759859
Not at all.

Ctrl-F "epictetus"
nope
read the discourses, OP

>something to make me want to not die


but dying at the right time is a good thing!

Plato's Apology worked for me, I read it again and again and again.

The unexamined life is not worth living.