/lit/ - Literature

wollstonecraft, beauvoir, vilar, paglia are all good

norah roberts is kool

>>2708769

>"no-person's land"

>No names or titles listed ITT

>/lit/: No longer "indubitably awesome"
>Can never post that picture again. ;_;

Judith Butler, Bell Hooks, De Beauvoir

those are just feminist theorists, but I would consider Gilman, Aristophanes, Shakespeare, de Pisan, the Brontes, Shaw, and Ibsen as feminist writers, or at least pro-feminism

>>2708810
lol

>"no-person's land"
>womyn

I now declare man is sexist because it is only 3 characters long. From now on, we will be known as strong mennn or a strong mannn

>Have feminists produced any literature with merit?
No

/thread

>>2708818

>womyn
>second wave feminism

I find this on almost every board, but I figured /lit/ was above this. People taking the ideas of second and third wave feminism to be one in the same.

Fuck second wave, man.

>>2708832
>>2708832
>>2708832

>>2708824
Man I jerked off to FMConcepts pics in like 1999, are they still around?

>>2708832
Why are women mad at men for what our forefathers did 1000s of years ago? This is 3rd wave patriarchy. We're not like the 2nd wave patriarchy.

Fuck second wave patriarchy.

>>2708842

Try again/10

>>2708810

Da fuq? The Taming of the Shrew is probably the most misogynist play ever. Although there are some strong likable women characters in other plays (like Portia in Merchant of Venice). Lady Macbeth was strong but not very likable.

>>2708855
>Lady Macbeth was strong but not very likable.

Understatement of the millennia. Shakespeare is all about bitches and whores, with a small undercurrent of "This is what happens when you fall in love."

>>2708841

Anais Nin for poetry. Shit I own like 3 of her books

>>2708855
It's not like the misogyny in The Taming of the Shrew is condoned at all though. Just because it's there as plot/character development doesn't really mean that the message is one and the same.

I put Shakespeare on there because I think his moral universes were really progressive for the time, in a way that was definitely pro-feminist. Funnily enough, moral universes in general are usually pro-feminist.

>>2708957
how I do moral subjectivity

I like Kate Chopin, her sense of timing and irony is great, not to mention a very sly yet definitely acerbic sense of wit, but I understand if most guys don't, especially if they're uptight misogynist dipshits-- their mind is made up already.

The Piano Teacher by Elfriede Jelinek

Also, you're all fucking idiots...

Feminists are always saying this. They think I think “Okay, I’m going to sit down and write this enormous book and impose my huge phallus on the consciousness of the world.”

-David Foster Wallace on feminism and the size of infinite Jest

>>2708996
DFW: Feminists are all saying this, though—feminists are saying white males have—"Okay, I'm going to sit down and write this enormous book and impose my phallus on the consciousness of the world."
CR: And you say?
DFW: If that was going on it was going on at a level of awareness I do NOT want to have access to.

>>2708996

Why did he always wear those stupid fucking doorag things on his head, does anyone know?

He looked like Axl Rose's fat older brother.

>>2709022
You should read his short stories and novels. Quite a few self-insert protagonists with huge self-confidence problems because they sweat unstoppably

>>2709022
Because his fucking massive brain was starting to leak out of his skull. Probably because he thought he looked good. I dunno. He worked as a prof/teacher, so maybe some subtle rebellion?

>>2708810
>Have feminists produced any literature with merit?
>Judith Butler

Is it opposites day already?

>>2709022

It was the 90's. We all made unfortunate fashion choices. And the dude had hyperhidrosis

>>2709044

You mean he was a sweaty bastard?

How would a stupid fucking rag on your head help that? Also, I managed to live through the entirety of the 90s without ever once thinking it was a good idea to tie a fucking rag round my head like a 1920s housewive.

>>2709057
being born in 1996 really doesn't count

bro

>>2709064

If I was born in 1996, how in the fuck could I live though "the entirety of the 90s"? I went to university in 1991.

tard

>>2709073
making you old enough to know better

i'm guessing 17

>>2708984
subtle
>not really

>>2709130
She had very sly asides within the overall irony (which was sometimes crude or very abrupt, like O. Henry or Saki) of the work. I'm not going to dig through The Awakening to convince you.

>>2709152
No, I mean the ham-handed attempt to paint anyone who disagrees with you about Chopin as
>uptight misogynist dipshits
an interesting gambit solely because Chopin was clearly not a feminist writer.

>reading ice giant journal
>i'm cool, calm, collected
>"snowman's land"
>jimmies rustled

feminists rule and non-feminists drool

<3 dfw (and ime he's a very feminist-approved writer) but homeboy is in denial if he never at any point looked at the size and scope and Grande Ambitione of IJ and thought "i can see how you could look at this as a big swinging unapologetically self-indulgent projection of ego"

>>2709188
That's not what I said, though.
>but I understand if most guys don't, especially if
>especially
key word right there.
>if
pretty important clause as well.

I can understand why most guys don't appreciate her. I can _especially_ understand why a guy would not appreciate her _if_ he was a misogynistic dick.
Chopin was not clearly a feminist, but her work has plenty of feminist undertones and themes. It doesn't take intellectual sleight-of-hand to argue that her work challenges the "fairer sex" and its whore/saint dichotomy during a time period (and in a geographic region) where it was heavily inculcated. You can't tell me works like The Storm and Story of an Hour don't have elements that manipulate and transform the male narrative.

>>2709212
>feminists rule and non-feminists drool
Feminism is an advocacy group for women. It makes as much sense for me to be a feminist as it does for women to be MRAs.

>implying first and second wave are real feminism

> no persons land

even better wait till u see "herstory", its like... but the "his" in history has nothing to do with the word "his" u fucking retards!

>>2709212
so, how does it make u feel to know the best feminist writer of our generation was a dude? lmao

anytime I've read an article commenting on feminism and it has used a term like this, it has been in a tongue-in-cheek manner. i doubt any person could get very far in what is an incredibly storied field of study by making up stupid shit.

In Old English man was a gender neutral term. It literally meant human being.

It still sort of is, because of course when we say "mankind" we're referring to all people.

>>2709321
>No TRUE feminist believes...