/lit/ - Literature

Just to show subjectivity;

>2012.
>Ulysses.
>ISHYGDDT.

You should be reading Hamlet as a prerequisite to everything that came after Hamlet. Not just Ulysses.

I think Harold Bloom once said that one should read the Bible because of literature before 1650, and Hamlet for literature after 1650.

there are people who haven't read hamlet?

>making a thread about it

Hamlet should just figure well before Ulysses on any reader's general literary progression.

>>2707711
>Paradise Lost
>1667

>Harold Bloom
>A total moron anyway

>pretending to know anything about literature
>hasn't even gone to college

ya sure thing bud

maybe i have the wrong tripfag actually, whatever

>>2707758

haha.. 3/10???

>>2707763

Probably, I'm the nice one.

I fucking love Hamlet, it's above-all tier. But why the fuck should one read it to understand all else? I think A LOT of books after Hamlet just don't connect themselves with Hamlet all that much. Just because it's good doesn't mean it's a prerequisite.

>>2707758
>needs to be told things to learn them

Who hasn't read Hamlet? Don't they teach you this shit in like grammar school?

>>2707771

I reckon it's the millions of interpretations that make it seem more influential (but it still is, very).

>>2707772
stop watching arts student fantasy flicks bud this is the real world

>hi i'm a neurosurgeon let me treat you btw i never went to med school and i have no qualifications

>>2707772
this is how drop-outs rationalize dropping out. by this logic, not only are they fuck-ups; but also they're clearly more intelligent than their peers with degrees! it's so brilliant that only an independent-thinking drop-out could have come up with it!

wasn't it the odyssey the prerequisit?

>>2707783
forgot my pic

>>2707783

>Books are the real world.

Hey son! You seem like a right old cunter! Come here and shine my sideburns!

u dont have to go to college for lit specifically but if u didnt go for anything then lets face it u r retarded and dont even understand what ur reading

stop trying to make a name for yourself by trying to get into an argument with me bud

>>2707771
>Has not read Ulysses

Hamlet plays an important part in understanding Stephen Dedalus' opinions on paternity, as well as there being many many allusions to the play throughout the whole novel, as well as the entire ninth chapter which is a discussion of Hamlet.

Speaking of which:
>Not read The Odyssey as a prerequisite to Ulysses.
>2012
>I SHIGGY DIGGIT

>>2707793

Stop insinuating that's what I'm doing, I'm showing you up(!).

does it matter if I read ulysses in spanish? I figured out it was one of those books I needed to actually own and since I live in South America, all the copies are in Spanish. I don't think it will that bad, it's a translation by Jorge Luis Borges

>>2707801

Only problems I can see in terms of vocabulary is Joyce's use of words like 'fad'. But I'm sure there is a Spanish equivalent.

>>2707783

Science and art are completely different things.

>>2707785

Why are you so mad? If all you want to do is become educated in the humanities then you really don't need college to do that.

>>2707806
>Science and art are completely different things.
In what way? Both are academic pursuits that make empirical claims about empirical subjects

also,
>implying anyone's talking about "art" itt
we're only talking about literature mate get with the programme

>>2707809
>>2707810

Oh, you're trying to do that.

>>2707794
I was not talking about Ulysses or Joyce, but to literature in general.

>>2707811
mate just say you don't have the means to keep up our discussion don't make excuses this is an imageboard where people can post anonymously you don't have to feel embarrassed for your inadequacies

>>2707815

I have to ask you, what is it you are so bitter about? Is it something really simple? Perhaps you have never made a woman moan or a person laugh? Maybe you just need a friend.

>>2707818
What makes you think I'm bitter bud? I came in here, made a little fun of you and a couple of other people over the space of, what, approx. 4 - 5 minutes. How can you reasonably infer from what I say in those 4 - 5 minutes anything about my personality?

>>2707809
Literature is not empirical

>>2708112
How can it not be?

>>2708127
Well OK it depends on what you mean by 'empirical'.

You could say it's empirical in the sense that there are objectively those words on the page. But even then there are textual issues surrounding most pieces of literature to one extent or another that mean there can't even be certainty there.

You could *maybe* say it's empirical in the sense that there are certain techniques or devices being used in a given passage that can be identified and evaluated. But, firstly, the extent to which a given technique or device can be said to be present in a passage is largely dictated by what we put into a text rather than anything latent in the text itself. If we are told that a text is a poem then we will read it in a different way than if we are told that it is a shopping list, and we will extrapolate different structures and devices out of that text on the basis of that distinction, even though it is the same text. Furthermore, the extent to which a given device can be said to be "successful" is not an empirical value that needs only to be measured; it's a subjective process of rationalisation and maybe narrative-building that is hardly comparable with running an experiment in the sciences.