/lit/ - Literature

Stephen King

I'm reading Salem's Lot and I have a very clear image in my mind of what that house on top of the hill looks like as it looms over the town and its people

Is it like reading a film script? Just actions and lines, no needless description of stuff or feelings?

>>2690562
I think it's when an author is comfortable working in cliches such that your mind doesn't need to strain to visualize whatever the author is playing with.

GRRM's medieval settings with dragons is easy on the mind

Howard's barbarian world is also cliched and quick

King's perpetual anytown America vibe with nosy housewives and drunk blue collar workers is classic Americana, borrowed from the collective consciousness of America post Twilight-Zone

>>2690562

he has feelings and descriptions, the trick is, his descriptions are awesome, gritty and palpable

not too long or too short

his feelings are feelings men can relate to on an instinctual level without the need of artificial cultural filters and feminine gibberish

he was more of a "mans writer" than hemingway ever was

>>2690568
>normative gendering

hoooo boy

>>2690566
>Conan
>Cliched
It created the cliches that are used today. That's like saying Tolkien was a derivative author on par with Paolini.

>>2690568
>he was more of a "mans writer" than hemingway ever was

bitch, please
him squeeze, simply shoot till it's empty

“Aye, civilized men sell their children as slaves to savages, sometimes. They call your race barbaric, Conan of Cimmeria.” “We do not sell our children,” he growled, his chin jutting truculently.

>>2690592
(not that guy)
He's not wrong about Howard's works. It was incredibly masculine (just like all pulp fiction, not counting H.P. Lovecraft) and exuded testosterone. His stories appealed to the primal dream of killing a bunch of people/smiting evil. Hemingway did the same thing (like killing sharks in the Old Man and the Sea), but his works weren't as masculine (by a very slim margin) as Howard's escapism.

>>2690572

men and women have different genetics, and genetics influence behavior and feelings

these differences are vast and important

>can't into modern biology

>>2690607

I bet you're a racist too.

>>2690607
“Bring me Tarascus’s head and I’ll make you a baron!” In the stress of his anguish Conan’s veneer of civilization had fallen from him. His eyes flamed, he ground his teeth in fury and blood-lust, as barbaric as any tribesmen in the Cimmerian hills.

>>2690614

races might have genetic differences (im not sure)

but that isn't a justification for being racist against a certain group

>>2690614
Conan grunted uncertainly; fearless as a wounded tiger as far as human foes were concerned, he had all the superstitious dreads of the primitive.

>>2690617

Then it is also not justification for societal gender roles.

Thanks for playing.

>>2690614
I bet you believe there are no biological differences between dog breeds.

>>2690626
The shimmering shaft of the tower rose frostily in the stars. In the sunlight it shone so dazzlingly that few could bear its glare, and men said it was built of silver.

>>2690628
Torches flared murkily on the revels in the Maul, where the thieves of the east held carnival by night. In the Maul they could carouse and roar as they liked, for honest people shunned the quarters, and watchmen, well paid with stained coins, did not interfere with their
sport. Along the crooked, unpaved streets with their heaps of refuse and sloppy puddles, drunken roisterers staggered, roaring.

>>2690623
>Then it is also not justification for societal gender roles.
Societal gender roles in art are driven purely by market forces, not imposed by some sort of authoritarian third party. The reason certain works of art appeal to men and certain works of art appeal to women is not just the LOL SOCIAL CONSTRUCT LOL you want to simplify everything down to.

>>2690623

>Then it is also not justification for societal gender roles.

Not talking about societal gender roles.
Im talking about what a man feels when he reads Conan, and a man's genetics will influence his appreciation of it.

A woman may not understand, simply because she has a vagina and different brain chemistry that goes along with it.

>Thanks for playing.

We weren't playing the same game, you were just trolling and making straw men while I was trying to explain what I meant

>>2690589

But Tolkein was a derivative author - he ripped of Lord Dunsany like a fucking bandit.

>vivid dynamic writers
>4 posts in
>gender shit

lit does it again!

>>2690663
>vivid dynamic writers
>Robert E. Howard

this thread was doomed to failure the moment it was posted

>>2690678
I concede the point.

>>2690678
I dunno, the samples OP was posting seemed pretty cool