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i want to start reading respectable history; ive withheld this urge for a while because the genre seems saturated with people like jeff shaara and authors who are dads that watch baseball during their time away from teachign that community college class or whatever. people im considering reading right now are huizinga, fitzpatrick/lewin for russian history, febvre on france, gibbons (?) on rome, hobsbawm (?) on early 20th century . itd be great if you could recommend the best of the best, whether they specialize on a minor, in the context of world history, event or chart several centuries

>> No.2682052

>Lyotard
>Marcuse
>Virilio
>Gramsci

DAT COLLECTION!
Boner.jpg

>> No.2682055

>>2682052
i know, unfortunately its not mine, its some guy's who came here in like 2010 and posted 30 pictures of his library.. i was jealous enough to save all of them

>> No.2682060

>>2682055
Don't blame you, that's quite an excellent collection. Although none of them look like they've been read.

>> No.2682073

History is nice because you can just read primary sources, well annotated by scholars to cover any anachronisms and bias (which is interesting in and of itself).

Pop history books, compared to real history books by real scholars, let alone the primary sources, are really really fucking bad. It's either schlocky sensationalist shit or endlessly broad crap for average joes who saw the latest movie featuring a historical period or person and have a passing interest. Do what you're doing and read the major authoritative scholars on the subject, though often they will be slightly deprecated by more modern scholarship, which is of course benefited by much better data and a much more developed discipline.

I'm shit for modern history but Gibbon is one of the most beautiful things I've ever read. His knowledge is categorical and his prose is gorgeous. I can vouch for him, at least. Again, if you've any interest in the classical world, you'd be massively benefited by reading Herodotus, Thucydides, Polybius, Livy, Suetonius, Tacitus. Even if you don't, I'd *still* recommend the first two and Tacitus, just because of how influential they are to historiography.

>> No.2683540

/cast resurrection (rank 12)

>> No.2683546

I just want the rest of the book pictures from that guy's collection. please provide

>> No.2683549

Recently been slogging through material on the Holocaust. Saul Friedländer, Nazi Germany and the Jews. D. J. Goldhagen, Hitler's Willing Executioners (the last one purely to see how much you can disagree with each sentence)

>> No.2683550

The Roman Revolution by Syme is probably the most well written book I've ever read. Although some people that I discussed it with thought it was awful.

It's also interesting as in insight into the era in which Syme himself lived.

>> No.2683562

>>2683546
yes please yes

>> No.2683581

If you want 'big picture' history be sure to check out Fernand Braudel

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>>2683562
it seems like a good way to bump the thread :-)

thanks for all the suggestions

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>>2682042

Is it bad that I get sexually aroused when I know of a person has this many books?

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will continue in a bit

>> No.2683635

>>2683627
sweet ass multi use screwdriver

>> No.2683642

Lots of bullshit-oriented, "continental" philosophy on those shelves. Sad.

>> No.2683954

This guy just buy books and never open them?

>>2683642
*rolls-eyes*

>> No.2683970

>>2683954
Yeah, I was gonna say that they look untouched.

Nice collection, either way. He should get to reading it.

>> No.2683979

I am the champion of Will & Ariel Durant's Story of Civilization series. Some of the best works I've ever read. I'm a sucker for epic-length, big-picture history books, so if you're like me you should also check out Shelby Foote's American Civil War series and Robert Caro's ongoing biography of Lyndon B. Johnson, assuming you're American. If you're not, The Rise And Fall of the Third Reich is always an amazing read.

>> No.2683987

Vico and Ibn Khaldun for early historiography/philosophy of history

>> No.2683992

>>2682052
>frankfurt school
>postmodern philosophy

OMG MY BONER!!! Please, you're a cancer to society. Kill yourself

>> No.2684017

>>2683979
Have you read Edmund Morris' three part series on T.R.? It may be up your alley.

>> No.2684022

>>2683992

Go back to /pol/

>> No.2684023

>i want to start reading respectable history; ive withheld this urge for a while because the genre seems saturated with people like jeff shaara and authors who are dads that watch baseball during their time away from teachign that community college class or whatever.

But.. I like baseball :(

>> No.2684027

One of the books that I love is The Best And The Brightest, David Halberstam's incredibly insightful study of the causes of the Vietnam War and the reasons for its failure. It is intensely good. Although it is focused on a very specific subject, I would still strongly recommend it, esp if you're an American / interested in American foreign policy.

>> No.2684044

>>2684022
I'm not a republican or even a conservative if that's what your getting at. I just think the Frankfurt school is a harm to society.

Don't make conjectures

>> No.2684050

>>2684044
What are your reasons for that

>> No.2684065

>>2683970
He reads the Wikipedia articles. That's enough, isn't it?

>> No.2684070

>>2684022
Also, I'm tired of you fucks that constantly say "go back to /pol/"

You use it as an attempt to falsely accuse your opponent of being "racist" or "conservative."

I've never been to /pol/ in my entire life and I don't plan to. fuck you and all others like you.

>> No.2684086

>>2684070
well, we're a little gunshy because of shitheads who come here and pull ridiculous /pol/ neonazi shit. so for instance if people start talking about "cultural marxism", for one example, i will immediately start ignoring them... and similarly, if someone is shitting on the frankfurt school in an entirely dismissive and in passing manner, theres a non-trivial chance they're going to start shitting up the thread with invective about race traitors and jews

so my advice here is make actual fucking arguments, instead of being a dumb shitposter, and you wouldn't have this problem (except you can't, because you've never read any of the people you're critiquing, don't understand them, can't engage with them, and have nothing substantive to contribute except "it's nonsense!" or "it's hard to understand!")

>> No.2684088

>>2684070
Assuming you're the same anon, you called somebody a cancer to society for liking the Frankfurt school (as well as telling him to commit suicide) and you're complaining about the go back to /pol/ shit?

The Frankfurt school really isn't all that detestable.

>> No.2684153

>>2684017
I haven't, but I am kind of interested in it. I'm kind of busy with writing of my own to start another huge undertaking, but I will definitely look into it eventually.

>> No.2684223

>>2682042

why did you save a picture of my hallway?

>> No.2684234

RFK Foster is the best writer on Irish history.

>> No.2684244

WAIT WTF I JUST LOOKED AT THIS THREAD

you do fucking realize these are all my house, right?

you fucking faggot stop posting MY COLLECTION

>> No.2684471

>>2684244
lol i remember when you first posted them

how did you get such a large collection?

>> No.2684513

You need more anarchism in there bro. Really.

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>>2684513

why is that

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>> No.2684958

Huh, I went through and counted, and there aren't actually that many books there. Less than 500 for all the pictures posted so far, since some showed the same shelves more than once. And yet it looks like he has tons. I'll have to figure out how to accomplish this.

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lol

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more later

>> No.2685122

Shit, this thread has inspired me to get back to reading.

>> No.2685207

>>2683992
Commenting on books and schools of thought you've never read. Nice one, bro.

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>>2685107
MOAR

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