/lit/ - Literature

Science and mathematics were a key part of the classical education tho

>mfw STEM majors have the cultural, literary, historical and philosophical knowledge of a 4th grader but still think they're an intellectual elite

Because increasing specialization due to late capitalism.

>writers of fiction reading fiction

>reading steppenwolf
>mozart
>goethe
>mozart
>beethoven
>mozart
>goethe
>mozart
>bach
>mozart
>goethe

>>2653845
>mfw liberal arts majors have the scientific background of a 3th grade but still think they're an intellectual elite
>four times seven? Uhh..wait..uhh..uhhh...twenty-nine?

>that feel when I don't even know what you mean by mechanics

>>2653853
>3th grade
>3th

I know you're trolling, but fuck you're stupid.

>>2653853
>four times seven? Uhh..wait..uhh..uhhh...twenty-nine?

hehehe dumpasses

>>2653859
I know you're a pseudo-intellectual but fuck you're stupid.

I've noticed that, too, OP, whereas a shitton of science writing references literature/poetry/etc.

>>2653862
I love how this image is only posted by people who were actually trolling.

You deliberately posted an inflammatory statement about liberal arts majors. You might not realise it, but you're trolling, son.

Seriously with is with all the trolls today?

Is it just one really bored motherfucker, or did someone link /lit/ on /b/ or something?

Jesus christ it's been awful today.

>>2653873
It's the same quality as usual since the Scots left.

>>2653853
>cultural epochs of civilizations with strong traditions of "liberal arts" study but rudimentary mathematics
Han golden age
Ming golden age
Maurya golden age
Greek golden age
Greek cultural revolution
Pax Romana
Islamic golden age
Renaissance
Enlightenment

>achievements of said civilizations
Practicable, sturdy, elegantly engineered machinery
Efficient organization
Constitutional government
Kaloi k'agathoi
Master morality
Philosophy
Drama
Comedy
Music

>cultural epochs of scientific revolution
American consumerism
Fracturing illusion of cosmopolitanism

>achievements of scientific revolution
Mass media
Bernaysian propaganda
Orwellian realpolitik
Slave morality
The Jews have hundreds of nukes
Overpopulation
Exportation of industrial labour to non-whites
Destruction of planet
The Jews have hundreds of nukes

>>2653885
This post reeks of [citation needed]. Typical liberal arts reasoning.

>>2653873
That's just how it's been recently. /lit/ is dead. Come back in the Fall.

>>2653888
It wouldn't require citation if you had an education equivalent to a British 5th grader in 1905, currently finishing up his tour in the Classics.

>>2653885
I agree with the intent of your post, but that's some crazy biased cherry-picking you've got going on there. Just ignore all of modern medicine, why don't you?

>>2653836

great writers deal with universal issues, those tend to fall into the categories of philosophy

if you want to read about plumbing or engineering or whatever, just read a text book, nothing in the sciences is interesting in itself, only if it has philosophical implications

>>2653885
>Greek golden age
>Rudimentary mathematics

>>2653893
Oh, it's there:

>Overpopulation
>Slave morality
>Mass media
>Destruction of planet

>That feel when I'm a physicist

>>2653896
>nothing in the sciences is interesting in itself, only if it has philosophical implications

I highly disagree with that, specially considering that not everyone is interested in the same things.

>>2653897
I'd say mass agriculture, industrial manufacturing and urbanisation has more to do with overpopulation than modern medicine.

I'm all for downsizing humanity through peaceful means, however. I think the perfect social model for human political, philosophical and scientific advancement was the city state.

In that form, democracy is so much more direct and real knowledge, art and other learning isn't lost in the sea of mass media.

Thomas Pynchon
David Foster Wallace
Vladimir Nabokov
Aldous Huxley
Jorge Luis Borges
>inb4 complaining about postmodernism

>>2653896
Cool opinion bro. Meanwhile, in the real world, science cures your mom's hemorrhoids.

>>2653885
>confirmation bias

>>2653892
>pretentious pseudo-intellectual stance
>no actual citation
Is that the typical first defense mechanism they taught you in your "philosophy" courses?

>>2653923
He's somewhat or entirely fucking wrong about the Renaissance period (see: Quadrivium) depending on your definition of 'rudimentary'.

And the Greek golden age had rudimentary mathematics? So Pythagoras of Samos just didn't come about? Thales? Anaxagoras?

If there's one thing this thread has proven, it's that /lit/ can't debate for shit and instead descends into a maelstrom of ad hominem and worthless bickering.

Good job, /lit/izens.

>>2653948
fuck you faggot

>>2653910
Agreed on the polis thing. Wish we could try shit like that out.

>>2653919
To be fair, there is plenty to confirm the bias.

>>2653947
>>2653900
If you people are going to take issue with the idea of calling pre-industrial science and mathematics "rudimentary," I don't know why you aren't taking issue with the fact that LITERALLY EVERY ONE OF THOSE SOCIETIES HAD FAIRLY SOPHISTICATED MATHEMATICS. Why pick random fucking ones?! In any event, the point is that their math knowledge was *relatively* rudimentary. How can someone with a science degree not understand this? RELATIVE to modern physicists, the Greeks not having a discrete concept for higher numbers other than "a bunch" is pretty rudimentary.

Also the quadrivium is way older than the Renaissance and Thales can't be attested historically.

>>2653923
What do you want citations for, that a handful of imperial civilizations existed before the industrial revolution, that their most salient and discussed cultural features did, that modern mass media is unprecedented, or that the Jews have nukes?

>mfw scientists frequently and pedantically refer to physics, mathematics, technology, and mechanics.
>mfw scientists almost never show that they have an understanding of literature, philosophy, religion, and psychology.

check out the scrub who hasn't read gravity's rainbow

Two sides of the brain dude, makes it hard for people to be an artist and a mathematician

Science has only just caught up to Nabokov's theories in lepidoptery.

Pynchon studied engineering before switching to english "Hurr durr it was too hard for him", but he went on to work for Boeing whilst writing V.

Arthur Conan Doyle and Michael Crichton were trained doctors.

Because you can be a writer and/or intellectual without any studies, but to be a scientist you need to study it for almost 10 years including the PhD.

>>2653970
>mfw scientists frequently and pedantically refer to physics, mathematics, technology, and mechanics
How about because it's their fucking job, moron?

>>2653981
Now you're starting to catch on!

Because you can't "study" creativity and most writers aren't motivated enough to earn a PhD, most of em' aren't even motivated enough to start writing, or to fix their petty writers block.

>>2653983
You don't need to study literature, philosophy, religion or psychology to be a writer.

Please /lit/ stop conversing with the pretentious swine threads.

>>2653836