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I don't know.

>>2638277
Well thanks for the bump I guess, not that I needed it, but I appreciate your honesty

Marx was a left Hegelian beatnik who got the idealism beat out of him by Stirner and than went materialist but still sort of a hegelfag

I too do not know, even more so than >>2638277

>The more I read Kant the more Marx comes to mind

lol wtf. are you trying to read the german text without knowing german? is the only way they can be close.

not even trollin

Well, Marx's main influence was Hegel, who was in turn enormously influenced by Kant. So Marx is in a sense Kant's grandchild. But I don't see too many connections between them intellectually and I'd be curious to hear what kind of thing you had in mind.

>>2638285
From the little literature on Kant I've read, there are usually one or two mentions saying "his belief in X is like Marx's theory of Y" etc.

One example is the idea of the human mind creating the world, that is projecting its own idea of space and time onto the external world. They compared it to Marx's idea of the world being a product of human labour.

Also the idea of Kingdom of Ends strikes me with the same idealism (utopianism even) as Marx's communist one

>>2638291
*on little literature I meant on the few commentaries on his work

>>2638291

He's about right. Marx' views are based upon Kant who was and still is a prominent philosopher. So it's not surprising that you've found correlations.

>>2638291
can you tell me what texts are you reading please? so i can avoid them

Nobody gonna ask about the gif.?

>>2638299
No.

>>2638298
One is Kant's Communism Unmasked and the other is The Konigsberg Communist: Kantian Communism for Idiots

THEY ARE BOTH "GARBAGE".

THEIR "PHILOSOPHIES" ARE FALLACIOUS & OBSOLETE.

>>2638307
NO U!

>>2638307
i think this tripfag should be banned. he's the worst one i've ever seen. and i used to be a mutant

>>2638307
>>2638307
ohhhhhh, you

>>2638312
yeah he's not even crazy enough to be entertaining

>>2638309
>>2638313

>typical tween liberals. unable to counterargue.

>>2638314
good post mate

>>2638314

And your argument was what? Both Marx and Kant being obsolete?

Marx has a book where he goes against Hegel and his disciples. Hegel was influenced by Kant.

>>2638275
Op why does your gif look like Chloe Mortez?

Philosophy is a fun distraction and all, but Marxism actually kills people.

>>2638864
>mfw you believe that Marxism actually kills more people than any other modern system

>>2638864
There are the writings of Marx, and there is Marxism. There is a subtle difference between the two, but it is significant. Marx said some profoundly intelligent insightful things about the pervasive nature of class constructs in the history of human conflict. He also said some revolting and plain stupid things about what do about it. Marxism takes all of it and creates a philosophy (really, a religion if one looks at how it was adhered to by its followers) that is at once correct about the insipid nature of class warfare and insanely stupid about the nature of power, human nature, and totalitarianism.

>>2638275

I have never seen a faker camwhore picture than that, OP. Fuck off.

>>2638885
That's utterly wrong. Marx wasn't a philosopher. He was an economist and political theorist. He never advocated for the overthrow of capitalism. He merely thought that a revolution of the underclass was inevitable. He wasn't writing about how things should be, just how he thought they would be.

>>2638918

Can you read?

>>2638918
>He never advocated for the overthrow of capitalism.
... have you even read the Communist Manifesto?

Workers of the world, unite!

>>2638918
Soooooo. What you're saying is that you haven't read Marx; or, if you have, you're inept.

>>2638918
>Marx wasn't a philosopher
He was an empiricist philosopher. He used economic and political ideas to espouse his philosophy. You've got it completely ass-backwards.

Marx and Kant... Ewww, dude. You must be annoying to be around.

>>2638927
>>2638921
>>2638920
you guys need to repeat high school

>>2638938
You are retarded if you think Marx's views weren't motivated by the outrageous conditions he observed industrial workers having to endure. You're right that Marx saw it as inevitable, you're absolutely wrong that he did not think it "should" happen. This is just the most uneducated nonsense, and it's counterproductive if you're trying to somehow separate Marx from Marxism's negative points because it denies Marx's positive point: he was deeply passionate about the plight of the suffering common people. His compassion was not at fault.

>>2638281
This.

sauce on OP's waifu

>>2638935

get cancer

Marx was influenced by Kant, but Marx was a materialist, Kant was not.

Marx was supportive of a revolution. He gave his support to struggles in the UK, Germany, France and India.

This question is actually fairly straightforward. Basically, Kant was THE method that Hegel formed in opposition to. Hegel's phenomenologies are precisely designed to avoid producing a method that considers itself external to, and not defining, its objects.

Basically, Kant had the idea that objects conform to our cognition. However, our cognition was based on a priori principles. The correct use of these principles could therefore yield objective knowledge.

Hegel argued that the 'correct use' of reason was impossible to determine without using reason. Therefore, any method for producing an object of knowledge that considered itself a priori or independent of its objects was doomed to fail. The object of knowledge would only be united with being by bringing the method into contradiction, overcoming the contradiction, then allowing the new method to produce new objects, and then too to come into contradiction.

Actually, last two paragraphs very unclear. OK, think of it like this:
Kant: cognition is along a-priori rules, objects conform to this.
Hegel: cognition is in a historical progression towards being united with objects.
Marx: cognition is a historical product, but objects have primacy to cognition, and we can obtain relative understanding of them. Science is a social practice, but it is also science.

In practice, this leads to a 'reflexive' method, where a self-critical method considers itself relatively adequate to real things..

See Gillian Rose for a very difficult book (Hegel Contra Sociology) which demonstrates that there certainly is a Neo-kantian marx.

>>2639222
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Karl Marx said once: «I am not a Marxist».