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The Entitled Generation.

Oligarchy then degenerates into democracy where freedom is the supreme good but freedom is also slavery. In democracy, the lower class grows bigger and bigger. The poor become the winners. Diversity is supreme. People are free to do what they want and live how they want. People can even break the law if they so chose. This appears to be very similar to anarchy.

Plato uses the "democratic man" to represent democracy. The democratic man is the son of the oligarchic man. Unlike his father, the democratic man is consumed with unnecessary desires. Plato describes necessary desires as desires that we have out of instinct or desires that we have in order to survive. Unnecessary desires are desires we can teach ourselves to resist such as the desire for riches. The democratic man takes great interest in all the things he can buy with his money. He does whatever he wants whenever he wants to do it. His life has no order or priority.

Spengler rejects Parliamentarianism as a distinct Civilizational stage like the absolute Polis and the Baroque State were summits. Instead it represents a transitional period between the mature Late-Culture period and the age of state formlessness. The fault for turning a Culture into a Civilization he lays partly at the feet of the bourgeoisie. At the inflection point he sees an independent and decisive bourgeois intervention in political affairs. The bourgeois is hostile (often violently) toward the absolute state, which represents the traditional institutions, aristocrats and cultural symbols.

>>2636047
Decline is also evidenced by a formlessness of political institutions within a state. As the proper form dissolves, increasingly authoritarian leaders arise, signaling decline. The first step toward formlessness Spengler designates Napoleonism. A new leader assumes powers and creates a new state structure without reference to "self-evident" bases for governance. The new regime is thus accidental rather than traditional and experienced, and relies not on a trained minority but the chance of an adequate successor. Spengler argues that those states with continuous traditions of governance have been immensely more successful than those that have rejected tradition. Spengler posits a two-century or more transitional period between two states of decline: Napoleonism and Caesarism. The formlessness introduced by the first contributes to the rise of the latter.

Spengler predicts that the permanent mass conscription armies will be replaced by smaller professional volunteer armies. From millions, states will revert to armies of hundreds of thousands. However, the professional armies will not be for deterrence, but for waging war. Spengler states that they will precipitate wars upon which whole continents—India, China, South Africa, Russia, Islam—will be staked. The great powers will dispose of smaller states, which will come to be viewed merely as means to an end. This period in Civilizational decline he labels the period of Contending States.

Caesarism is essentially the death of the spirit that originally animated a nation and its institutions. It is marked by a government which is formless irrespective of its de jure constitutional structure. The antique forms are dead, despite the careful maintenance of the institutions; those institutions now have no meaning or weight. The only aspect of governance is the personal power exercised by the Caesar. This is the beginning of the Imperial Age.

Contemporary liberalism honors diversity and tolerance above all, but what it calls by those names is different from what has been so called in the past. Its diversity denigrates and excludes ordinary people, and its tolerance requires speech codes, quotas, and compulsory training in correct opinions and attitudes. Nor do current liberal totems and tabus have a clear connection with letting people live as they wish. Prohibitions, both grand and petty, multiply. To outsiders the rules often seem simply arbitrary: prayer is forbidden while instruction in the use of condoms is required; smoking and furs are outrages, abortion and sodomy fundamental rights.

Many of these oddities can be explained by reference to the specific understanding of tolerance held by contemporary liberals. "Tolerance" is traditionally understood procedurally, to mean letting people do what they want. Contemporary liberals understand it substantively, to require equal respect as a fact of social life. These understandings are radically inconsistent. As a political matter, procedural tolerance calls for laissez-faire, while substantive tolerance requires pervasive administrative control of social life. A regime that adopts substantive tolerance as its goal must be intolerant procedurally because it must control the attitudes people have toward each other, and any serious attempt to do so will require means that are unforgiving and despotic.

The dehumanizing effects of over-organization are reinforced by the dehumanizing effects of over-popula­tion. Industry, as it expands, draws an ever greater proportion of humanity's increasing numbers into large cities. But life in large cities is not conducive to mental health (the highest incidence of schizophrenia, we are told, occurs among the swarming inhabitants of industrial slums); nor does it foster the kind of responsible freedom within small self-governing groups, which is the first condition of a genuine democ­racy. City life is anonymous and, as it were, abstract. People are related to one another, not as total person­alities, but as the embodiments of economic functions or, when they are not at work, as irresponsible seekers of entertainment. Subjected to this kind of life, indi­viduals tend to feel lonely and insignificant. Their ex­istence ceases to have any point or meaning.

Biologically speaking, man is a moderately gregar­ious, not a completely social animal -- a creature more like a wolf, let us say, or an elephant, than like a bee or an ant. In their original form human societies bore no resemblance to the hive or the ant heap; they were merely packs. Civilization is, among other things, the process by which primitive packs are transformed into an analogue, crude and mechanical, of the social in­sects' organic communities. At the present time the pressures of over-population and technological change are accelerating this process. The termitary has come to seem a realizable and even, in some eyes, a desirable ideal. Needless to say, the ideal will never in fact be realized.

Go to bed Spengler.

full of niggers

It's too soon to tell. It'll either be the generation that finally stood up for itself after the Boomers and Gen X were asleep at the switch, or they'll be remembered as the generation that was sold into debt slavery. Remember, this generation has produced the first American mass protest against neo-liberalism since it began in earnest 30 years ago. That's no mean accomplishment. To be sober, the future isn't bright for them, but it's their future to make.

>>2636077
>the first American mass protest against neo-liberalism since it began in earnest 30 years ago

Are you referring to the Tea Party, or are you referring to Occupy Wall Street? Both could be seen in terms of being opposite to neo-liberalism.

The spread of nignog-wigger ghetto culture. The further degeneration of universities into leftist daycare centres. Nauseating corruption.

On a related note, I'm pretty sure we can blame women for our post-sixties culture. It was pretty much the inevitable result of giving them the vote. A substantial chunk of the population began voting for the people who promised peace and sunshine and kindness, never mind what's practical. But realistically the rot began further back: the Romans, for example, even in their most corrupt and lazy periods, never considered officially giving women a say in politics.

>>2636081
Hmmm....that's a good point. I think that case could be made though that the Tea Party, though never a coherent ideology, had too many contradictions to be considered a wholehearted rejection of neo-liberalism. On the one hand, it opposed Wall Street and the exporting of American jobs. On the other hand, it demanded the exact brand of extreme economic liberalism that corporations are also demanding. OWS, also far from a homogeneous movement, is more consistent in their opposition to both the symbols, policy and ideology of neo-liberalism.

>>2636108
this pretty much

niggers and bitches and whores

basically white guilt everywhere so even upper class gyms and stuff play shitty nigger R&B about fucking hos, and dipshit feminists think they can do no wrong and have no morals

>>2636108
>>2636134

4chan has ruined you.

>>2636142
being a shutin lets me see clearly

tell me where you disagree

I don't think it's useful to makes these kinds of generalizations and it's certainly useless to speculate forward about them. Formulate political goals, yes; combat harmful tendencies and promote beneficial ones. But I don't think it's possible or useful to say that any trends or tendencies are essential to the time or speak to the spirit of the generation. I reject it.

In terms of the historical situation which faces our generation, I agree with >>2636077

>>2636038
Hipsters. Hipsters everywhere

I feel it's hard to characterize my generation. I see them a pretty tolerant in terms of race, sexuality, and drug use.

They don't see to like to argue or discuss anything about their views, they seem pretty set in their ways once they pick a position on something. I don't think I ever saw a discussion of religion among them that wasn't basically "Whatever, you believe that? That's cool whatever." Though some are part of the new anti-theists thing. They waste a lot of time with fads and memes and such, but that's not the worst thing in the world.

Even the really intelligent among them haven't seemed to have "matured", they still have a lot of "adolescent" hobbies and interests (this is coming from a guy who plays video games and watches anime all the time).

There's a large group working shit/service jobs with little hope of advancement. Many are in debt. The definition of "intern" get's broader and broader. When they get a bit older I expect there will be a bitter reaction to all this (hopefully my depressing fiction will resonate). They will have no social security nor will they have the safety net promised to their parents.

And then there's the people on 4chan.

>>2636225
>There's a large group working shit/service jobs with little hope of advancement. Many are in debt. The definition of "intern" get's broader and broader. When they get a bit older I expect there will be a bitter reaction to all this (hopefully my depressing fiction will resonate). They will have no social security nor will they have the safety net promised to their parents.

And let's remember that this didn't "just happen". It wasn't an accident of history. Those things were taken from us - stolen from us. We lost them as a direct result of economic policies, formulated by and beneficial to the ultra-rich, and the appropriate remedy is concerted political action to fight to take them back.

five words
'I don't give a fuck'

sums this generations mindset up pretty well imo

>>2636038

"Culture-numbed, culture-addicted, culture-deprived, culture-blind."

>>2636296
kanye west very related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTI0KDuQl_4

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>>2636315
What is that beautiful thing?

>>2636296
>>2636301

Oh shit you're so cool bro. Damn you really don't give a fuck to say stuff like that over an anonymous internet image board.

Fucking loser bitch. Here we are trying to reflect and discuss on all the nuances and experiences that make up our generation and this tard respond with a post no better than youtube comment.

Kill people buy shit fuck school

>future generations

Our generation is one thing more than anything thing else: Fake.

Anybody remember the scene from Good Will Hunting, where Robin Williams sits Will down on a bench and tells him, you know everything but have experienced nothing. Well that's us.

We will be remembered as the information generation. A legacy marked by our struggles with our own technology; by our redefining privacy and freedom of speech, as well as property rights; and by the vast amount of art of all genres and mediums being produced by the populace. We are the generation that will be the reference point for politics many decades into the future, because of the speed at which information spreads among us and because of our increasingly diverse political views. We are the generation for which simply living is simply not enough: We require knowledge and artistic fulfillment, as well as happiness. The idiot jock and airhead girl stereotypes are dying out rapidly, to be replaced by millions of people who all, at some level, are able to examine complex issues. We are likely to be one of the most philosophically, psychologically, and emotionally troubled generations ever to grace this Earth.

That said, I am actually quite happy to be a part of it.

Not a lot of rebellion. Always feeling like you've got to be performing well, whether in high school to get into a good college, or in college to get into a good whatever.

>>2636344
>The idiot jock and airhead girl stereotypes are dying out rapidly, to be replaced by millions of people who all, at some level, are able to examine complex issues. We are likely to be one of the most philosophically, psychologically, and emotionally troubled generations ever to grace this Earth.

This is a troll, right?

...right?

>>2636384
>that feel when there's an option to state that you find intellectualism a turn-off at OkCupid

>>2636395
It's a good thing we are all smart people who can look down on others.

>>2636384

Well I'm sorry that you might be socially incompetent and thus needlessly bitter toward your peers, but those of us who are capable of understanding other people have been noticing a trend. It is becoming more and more fashionable to be into reading, good movies, or obscure music, all of which require some level of artistic appreciation. Being ignorant has become very unfashionable. Of course there will always be the moronic majority, but our generation as a whole has a greater average level of knowledge and appreciation of art than previous generations, because of our improved access to vast amounts of information.

Just a word of advice, in case you really are in high school: Just because they didn't talk to you does not mean that they refused to. They might have been as shy as you are, and more comfortable with their group of established friends. Keep an open mind and talk to people. There is no reason not to make friends. If they're bad or insincere people, you can always stop talking to them, but you must give them a chance first. You will be pleasantly surprised.

A word of advice; in case you are out of high school (unlikely): Leave your house and talk to people. You might be pleasantly surprised.

We still believe in global warming bullshit

>>2636384

What a coincidence, we're all the smartest people in our respective social environments! Let's drink tea and talk about those wretched plebeians.

1/10. You almost had me.

>>2636432
>Leave your house and talk to people

where?

>>2636469

Book stores, coffee shops, on the train, on the bus, anywhere. Try at your job (assuming you have one), or at your university (assuming you're a student out of high school). If you don't think there are people to talk to, or who are worth talking to, then you have the mindset of an angst-ridden adolescent. Part of the process of maturing is making peace with the world and the people around you. You should read Vonnegut.

>>2636505
>growing old involves resignation

Sadly, it does.

>>2636505
>Book stores, coffee shops

h-how...

>>2636511
why?

teh first generation with a lower and middle class with access to good reading material at no cost, The Unstupid and Unslaved Generaton

>>2636539
what are libraries?

>>2636526
I don't know, it's just what I tend to observe in people. There are always exceptions of course.

>>2636543

faraway places that truly poor people can't walk to

>>2636432
So your argument is that hipsters will be the saviors of our culture?

I think that *you* need to talk to people more. If you really think that intellectualism is widespread, you can't have strayed very far from the realm of academia. It doesn't matter if stupidity is "unfashionable." Being obese is unfashionable as well, but that hasn't exactly deterred Americans from digging in to their daily Big Mac. Most people are just downright ignorant, and no amount of information is going to change that; in fact, I would argue that the accessibility of information in the modern world is one of the main *causes* of apathy towards intellectual matters.

Social networking, in my opinion, is another major factor in the degradation of society. The reduction of communication to the exchange of bite size bits of text can only be detrimental to intellectual sophistication.

>>2636565
stupidest thing I've read all day

>>2636344
I think there is some truth to this, but in a way it's at least as much of a bad thing as it is good. People are smarter now on average, but they are not really smart ENOUGH. The result is a vast number of people who think they are smarter than they are, making them laughably easy to manipulate by those willing to cater to their sense of self-satisfaction and obstructing discussion among the true intelligentsia. Someone who thinks they are too smart to be had is vastly more of a sucker than someone who is aware of their own limited perspective.

The bastard offspring of Abraham.

>>2636570
Even worse, people who are ignorant but think they are informed are even more impervious to reason than those who are truly intelligent. Now that it is indeed "fashionable" to be smart, we see many people grasping at the appearance of intelligence even if they lack the drive or capacity, and these people are the most closed-minded of them all.

>>2636591
Related.

>>2636511

Making peace with something and resigning yourself to something are completely dissimilar. It is more akin to understanding and appreciation. You do not understand people, so you think that to make peace with them is to resign yourself to the flaws that you believe they posses.

>>2636570

I never said anything about hipsters. I said that appreciation of what is out there has become fashionable. You are disconnected from reality by your own arrogance. My advice would be to shut up and try to really learn something from someone. You might be surprised. The only problem with your interactions with people is your overwhelming pretension. It is perfectly fine to be a cynic, but to make qualitative judgements like "good" and "bad" is childish. Society will never be good or bad. You do not understand people, so you don't like them. Nothing is contributing to the degradation of society. You only believe that society is degrading because you do not understand what society is.

People who think that flaws in society are actually bad are just very small-minded.

>>2636081
The greatest failure of the generation, and the greatest triumph of the media, was to convince the two groups that they were enemies.

>>2636574

how do you get to the library?

I think (I hope) that our generation will be known in earnest as the "iPod Generation". I know OP didn't want the use of product names, but I really think this title just about sums up all the important points: our intimate relationship with technology, our obsession with ego and self, and our use of new media to construct echo chambers thoroughly insulated from whatever aspect of the world at large we choose not to acknowledge. Between the postmodernism craze and the overwhelming availability of and control we have over new media, we've damn near embraced solipsism as a way of life.

So, in short: apathy, narcissism and entitlement will be what our generation is remembered for. Pure, arrogant excess. Not saying there haven't been some positive aspects too, but at the moment the negatives disturb me far more than the positives excite.

>>2636624
bus or car and I'm poor

>>2636614
>flaws
>not bad

I'm into the buddhist non-judgmental shit but come on. Life sucks. It could be a lot better.

>asking a bunch of self-important pseudo-intellectual shut-ins who can't even stand each other to describe a generation of people they've generally tried to avoid being around

no no no no no no.

>>2636614
You certainly must be coming from a high and mighty place to offer such patronizing assessments of his beliefs. And I'm not even saying you're necessarily wrong, but the irony of accusing him of pretension while trying to psychoanalyze him via his anonymous message board posts does not deserve to go unnoticed.

>>2636635
Welp, you described part of our generation.

>>2636639

No, I described 4chan. Our generation aren't all those things. "Socially dysfunctional" doesn't really describe our generation because it doesn't describe most people.

.>>2636432

>moronic majority

Sad to say, these are my friends who I left in the dust of community college in my hometown. After being exposed to new people for the firs time I've noticed that there are people out there who appreciate things more meaningful than how 'flame the bud is.'

The majority of our generation is a bunch of apathetic stoners who really don't give a fuck about anything important. They could care less about elections, laws, artistic achievements. Their biggest concerns are who they will next fuck and how they're going to pay for their beer. It's so much easier to join the apathetic masses and avoid taking a position on important issues when facebook likes will do it for you.

>>2636632

Enjoy your life in the slums bitch. I'm living the high life right now.

>>2636643
Actually our generation is pretty fucking antisocial. I have spoken to numerous Generation X-ers taken aback by Gen Y's lack of social skills. We learned how to socialize with cell phones and Facebook.

Soon automatisation will be so advanced that you can't reasonably ask of everyone to have a a job anymore. Being unemployed/on the dole will lose it's stigma and will simply mean being less wealthy than others who are willing to work.

We will become known as the first post-labour generation. It will be glorious.

>>2636653
Poor people write better books, joke's on you.

>>2636646
> implying people who have gotten "real" educations aren't apathetic stoners too
> implying naive idealists willing to smash windows for a political cause they learned about on the Internet and barely understand aren't more detrimental to society than people who just don't care

>>2636646
But if they are authentically enjoying their life, are you living better than them?

>>2636634

A perfect society would be absolutely miserable. The best people are the most dynamic people. Society must have flaws. A flawless society is one that contains no actual humans. What you think is "better" doesn't really have anything to do with reality. Look at society like it is some kind of interesting animal. A dolphin has flaws in certain aspects of its makeup, but is it honestly realistic to say that dolphins are flawed creatures? They obviously are, but there are no flawless creatures, so it's an inane statement. Dolphins are not flawed, they simply exist. The same goes for society. Those flaws that you observe are unique to you, even if they seem to resemble what other people bemoan as flaws. There are people who believe that society is flawed because gay people exist (and that they are bad), but gay people simply are in existence.

>>2636636

I reject that he criticizes society according to what he assumes is objective fact. I am a part of society, and he has thus personally insulted. I happen to be able to see how society moves some of the time, but I also happen to be very bad at seeing this as well. I am not criticizing him because he does not agree with me, but because he believes that he can separate himself from society and define what is good and bad about something that is completely natural. I don't respect him because he sets himself above society, which is childish.

>>2636650

Socializing through different mediums is not antisocial

Nobody wants to go through the awkward hello and goodbyes for a bit of information when they can just text a person instead. People aren't, as a whole, less social because this exists. Especially considering that this technology wasn't even around for the Xers and previous generations.

People generally need eachother just as much as they always did and this isn't going to change.

>>2636666
Fancying oneself above society and detaching oneself from it so as to critically assess it are two different things.

I'm not even paying attention to what this dude is writing at this point, I'm arguing on purpose of principle.

ITT: people extend their limited social experiences to an entire generation.

At least Information Age anon is taking into account cultural and technological changes.

>>2636643
READ MY FUCKING POST BEFORE FILLING OUT THAT CAPTCHA AND CLICKING THE REPLY BUTTON YOU RETARD.
>Welp, you described part of our generation.
> part of our generation.
>PART
DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW TO READ YOU MONGOLIAN PIECE OF SHIT? I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT YOU CAN EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM TIPPING RIGHT NOW.
NOW GO BACK TO REEDIT OR WHATEVER SHITHOLE YOU CAME FROM.

>>2636655
Yes. Starvation and widespread apathy sounds amazing.

>>2636625
How about "the 4chan generation"?

>>2636655
Rocking the NEET style right now.

>>2636682

Yeah, I saw that RIGHT after I hit submit. My fault. My amendment to it was going to be that it certainly doesn't describe a large enough portion of our generation to be regarded as anything more than a footnote. But if by part you mean "people who waste away on forums on the internet", then yes, you're right, although the "internet culture" is a small communitiy when compared to the whole.

>>2636646
You're surmising at the lives of millions of people with the evidence of a few people you knew an community college.

>>2636675

Detaching oneself from society so as to critically assess it is impossible and incredibly arrogant. It is precisely the same as placing yourself above it. That is really all I need to say to that.

Detaching yourself from society and critically assessing it is like going to the beach and shouting "everyone who goes to the beach is a moron, except for me because I'm a critic!" Being a critic does not exempt you from being a part of society.

Obama = hipster president?
-He was a pretty obscure dude before the election
-Voting for him helped the young feel like they were part of some kind of big, civil-rightsy movement, when in reality Obama's change was only skin deep

>>2636694
That's been most of the thread so far.

>>2636698
You're just spouting bullshit now.

By the same logic, I can't argue that sweatshop labor is a bad idea on the basis that some of my clothes are made in sweatshops.

Born in 1990, I only speak for myself even if I say "our" generation. I refer to our generation as the "late start generation". The generation who wasted almost a decade before getting back on track with either the generation after them or with the one before them.

>>2636666
Cool quads and shit, but be careful with the
> Society must have flaws.
That "must" can get you in trouble, specially with the point you are trying to defend.
>>2636692
4chan is a pretty big site, half of it is filled with those people you described. Now, 4chan is not the only place for people like that, 4chan takes a a relatively small part of that "market", because 4chan is an English speaking website. A considerable part of our generation is the way you described it.

>>2636694

>Implying American youth isn't some homogeneous, fad-crazed mass of YOLO drunkards

>>2636706

Not that guy, but that's a really bad analogy. We can, by our understanding of the limits of the human mind and body, take everyone's word for it that sweatshops make for bad times for the laborers there. But trying to define a generation on a multidimensional spectrum of various components (a) without actively participating in the acts of that generation and socializing with it and/or (b) while assuring yourself that you're superior to that generation (thereby embracing a massive bias) discredits you as any sort of critic of our generation. It's just not workable to try and define that many people in a few words, especially when you do those two things.

>>2636716
I wouldn't know. I don't spend time around American youth, and, judging (possibly erroneously) from the fact that you're on /lit/, you don't either.

>>2636706

You can, because we (and you) see sweat shop labor as a bad thing generally. You cannot say that a system of morals and values that you have spent your entire life building is bad without sounding like an ignorant asshole, though.

Don't let me ruin your angst if you don't want me to.

>>2636715

I guess we would have to look at the number of unique users and assume, from that, that some fraction of those users actually spend enough time on 4chan to really allow for it to define them, and assume that a number of those users are actually socially dysfunctional.

>>2636698
By this logic it would be impossible to detach oneself enough to critically assess flaws in oneself. Yet while one can never be truly 100% objective, I'm pretty certain it is possible to take a sufficiently detached perspective to at least make critical assessments of one's own thoughts and behaviors. I know I do it all the time. Likewise, one can detach oneself from one's society enough to critically assess it, at least to a degree, without denying the objective fact that one is a part of it.

I've made plenty of critical (and not so generous) assessments of my generation in this thread, but never did I say that my hands were clean of the things I am accusing my generation of. I'm fully aware that I am a part of this group too.

>>2636718

I am American youth and when I look around I see apathy everywhere when it comes to improving the quality of life for anyone besides themselves. Donations, cancer walks, and the like are all self-indulgent shams. I probably sound like an angsty 16 year old child but that is the way it looks to me.

>>2636724
Been done.
I've seen the graphs somewhere, google is always helpful.
We'll just have to exclude some boards, ex : /soc/, /b/....

>>2636717
There is a "multidimensional spectrum of various components" that comprises the neurological basis experiences like "pain" and "depression." But you don't need to be a neuroscientist to know that working in a sweatshop is probably pretty painful and depressing. Likewise, you don't need to be a sociologist to see that modern society has some flaws.

Poor negro culture will spread through America and things will be shit

on the bright side though I think more black people are becoming richer and changing their dastardly ways and also I hear that a lot of them love Jesus and even though I'm not big on religion at least it will keep them from being naughty maybe

oh yeah and hispanics will also grow

maybe a war between the hispanics and the blacks

or war between the stormfags and the blacks i dunno

>>2636752

>Likewise, you don't need to be a sociologist to see that modern society has some flaws.

I agree. Flaws are very easy to identify. But to weigh them against the strengths of a generation (especially if you're a pessimist), and to try and define what people do and what they're like - that's really difficult. That's usually something that only a few really perceptive people pick up on, and everyone else frames a narrative around it thirty years later. But flaws don't really say anything.

> Donations, cancer walks, and the like are all self-indulgent shams.
This is pretty much true. People are more interested in feeling righteous than being righteous. Is this unique to our generation, though? I dunno, I wasn't alive in the 60s.

>>2636756
no John you are the stormfags

>the mentality, culture, and "consciousness".

iphones, ipads, ipods, and unemployment

Every. single. society. has. flaws.

Every single one. Go back in history and every single one is full of people fucking over other people, full of selfish idiots in power, uneducated/disinterested masses, etc.

Jesus Christ.

>>2636655
Hahahaha, already nearly every single manual job is automated.

http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/

We could have 2-hour workdays like 30 years ago, but the capitalists won't let us.

Everything in this thread is wrong.

>>2636774
And? Doesn't mean we shouldn't be trying to improve ourselves.

>>2636767
That's as old as liberalism.

more superficial than we should be
we care more about appearing inclusive than actually being inclusive
the mid nineties and mid sixties were good examples of being more concerned with being inclusive than appearing inclusive. the late sixties, late nineties, and today are sad examples of wanting to appear to be the best, most accepting culture

that is one element no one will forget

Worse than Baby Boomers.

Watch.

>What will people in twenty/thirty years recall when they think of this time

Freedom on the internet

Typical western 90s generation: grew up during an unprecedented boom phase of capitalism. Takes the indulgences of "consumer society" such as ubiquitous digital entertainment for granted. The collapse of religion and the family unit left nothing in its place to ensure social cohesion and the result is a vacuum devoid of even the pretense of morality. "Greed is good" is the only rule. The 90's young adult feels strongly neither about conservative nor revolutionary politics, nor religion or atheism. They take a stand on nothing; cheap satisfaction has lulled them into a stupor. They are the facebook and twitter generation: self obsessed.

The 90s generation will be remembered as the detritus of a decadent society on the brink of collapse. Woefully unprepared, they lack the intellectual or moral prerequisites needed to face the storm that was to strip them of everything they took so absolutely, fundamentally for granted.

Honestly it'll probably be how diverse and odd some shit seems as no generation has ever had this much connectivity and it really makes for a quick birth and death of culture and mentality as ideas go fucking everywhere

>>2637459
There are some of us that give a shit about the current world, just oldfucks kinda hamper the quick process of change that we've come to expect as a digital generation , and we just move on too damned quick

defining the current zeitgest is a monumental task. you can have some notion of what it has to do with (i.e: internet, phasing out the ideas of highbrow/lowbrow, whatever), but you can't quite tell until the era is over and you can see where the pieces fell.

>>2637459

Stripping away the judgmental tone, this is basically right.

>>2637475
gotta consider, most of us 90's children are about to hit the real world hard and like you say its hard to predict what exactly will happen

>presidency is now pop culture (lol he sings! I'm voting for him! XD) Never mind that fucking massive debt we have.
>the strong family unit is now no more (mums gotta go out and show the world she can run a business just like a man!) which leaves kids with several development problems and skyrocketing divorce rates
>nigger culture is spreading over the world thanks to the media
>art is now a complete and utter joke. It used to be a thing of beauty and power, but now it's just a guy shitting out paint onto paper because it's "shocking"
>even though the soviet union collapsed, it still did irreversible damage when they brought marxism to the west. It's ruined complete generations of young people. Now it's 2+2=5
>the US is still finding excuses for attacking something illegally every few years
>apparently everyone is a terrorist, so we need to take away your rights to protect you
>immigration is completely out of control with no end in near sight
>shit like facebook and twitter encourage people to be lemmings even more than they already were

30 years?

What could go wrong?...

>>2636798
Damn. That's nasty.

On the positive side though, unemployment is skyrocketing. America has cancer, Europe is falling apart. Some countries have 25% unemployment rates. All these people need to have their basic needs covered or they will start fucking shit up. The only way to keep the masses at bay is paying them off.

The information generation. We are flooded with information on a daily basis, little is retained. Entitled and ignorant.

>>2637496
>He thinks abstract art is all of art
Go to an art museum. Read Juxtapose or High Fructose. Stop being an idiot.
Also, do you want to source your claim about the failing of the strong family unit due to feminism and how it leaves children with developmental problems and high divorce rates? And what's 'nigger culture'?

Agree with you on the other points though.

>>2636316

looks like a cock and balls to me

>>2637496
Claims
>immigration is completely out of control with no end in near sight
Then calls others out on being sheep thanks to Facebook.

Stop reading the sun and believing their bullshit bro.

I also have complaints about other stuff, but you're pretty "ignant"*, probably voted for Cameron, so I'll leave it be.

*"Nigger culture" lol

>>2637599
>implying black people aren't cultured

they surely will be 20 times more retarded than this generation, so they will consider this generation a good one at least in music and stuff like that. Also they'll remember global warming, wars in middle east and USA imperialism.
Also they'll consider our last technology like neanderthal's stuff, and surely Chinese culture will be popular, so the memories about the actual american generation will be forgot. World maps will focus in Asia, South America and maybe europe.

Our generation is the worst.

>>2636038
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jspXk0LjN_Y

The next few generations would have become so ingrained and complacent with the surveillance state they'll think we're reckless hedonistic narcissists just like how many people view our parents.

Hopefully I get to molest some of them as to even out the score.